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[Mumbeltypeg]

Haven't posted in this thread since 2013 when I did my first and only indoor run in a scrog, until now. Gave growing a go again this year. Did two flowering runs in a 5x5 and now I'm running a 5x10. Got two Romscotti, two DinoParty SD x Celestial Select testers, and a Strayfox Gardenz Cold Sweats in here. 12 days into flower under. GML Tarantula 5x5 and a Growers Choice ROI 720.
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Are you flipping from seed with these? Or close to it?

 

[Fatjoe]

@Star Dog thanks for the tag over to this thread. Looks like my kinda place.

These floater screens save me time and keep the plant mobile for me while training and supporting along the way. Fun stuff!


Each plant has its own 20x21 screen. Making it easier to grow multiple strains or just move plants as needed.




Love seeing all these scrogs. Great thread.

 

[slevarTsneveS]

Are you flipping from seed with these? Or close to it?

I apologize, but I'm not following what you're asking? These were in veg for months in a 5x5 before they were moved into there and spread out with the trellis, then remained in veg for a few more weeks before flipping.

 

[woodsmantoker]

Accessibility in the back corner was the only issue I have encountered ... even in a 2 x 4 tent. So I made my SCROG nets with lightweight 1" x 1" wood trim so everything can be completely mobile

The lateral weave of the branches secures the nets to the plants without any chance of the nets slipping off.

So I can take the plants and the net out of the tent as one whole entity if I need to. And with the frame being lightweight wood, there is no undue strain on the branches.

Accessibility is key to efficiency and I most definitely agree its an issue of concern with Scrog cultivation at large. Large gardens tend to have more contention with how that translates, and it usually spells added labor hours/$. For the residential grow, that can also translate into being issue especially if ones mobility is limited. That said, single plant systems where by we are scrogging a plant by itself, and then stacking single plant scrogs in a given space to fill the sqft, proves quite ideal. We normally think in terms of easy setup, vs ease of cultivation process, and thus simply stretch a web across a gicen plane, and fill that plane from below accordingly. What I have been working with over the last several years (maybe 10), is just that, single plant scrog systems. These give the ability to access all portions of the plant. As a result of the modular capabilities which allow removal from a given space such as yours, if the plant is only committed to its own stand alone trellising setup, as you mention, its removable to be worked on, or spun in place, etc.
Im not a personal fan of weave techniques for a number of reasons we can get back to, but removal at the end is maybe the most obvious.
That said, there are a number of sinarios in my own garden where it does happen.
Thankyou for bringing up that point, I think this topic is important to scrog overall.

 

[woodsmantoker]

Accessibility was my major gripe it makes everything a task for me.

I started just vegging then flipping and putting the net over them a few weeks later, that easier going for me.
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I have since learned to control height better so I've not used a net at all for ages.
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There's a member @Fatjoe he has some good ideas and stellar looking plants!

@slevarTsneveS great looking grow you have, very nice!

Technique makes all the difference in most everything we do, scrog is a good representation of that. In regards to keeping things flat, with or without a measured tool such as the screen, the difficulty increases with distance from the main stem/center. The greater the distance unsupported, the more structural integrity is needed within the reaching branches. In order to support an increasing load auxin redistribution occurs. Uneven auxin redistribution plays a role in making things more difficult. However, in the case of scrog use to maintain relative horizontal positioning, regardless of relativity to true horizontally level, the tool of the screen maintains the given plane and makes keeping the even plane easy.
So, back to accessibility as the important problem to solve without compromising the intent of horizontal trellising/training.

Over the years it became obvious to me that single plant systems bring a dynamic to cannabis cultivation that is unmatched. What it provides you as the grower, is seemingly priceless. I have been making stand alone single plant scrogs systems that give accessibility you cant get any other way. If you have each plant in a stand alone scrog, that also has wheels, each plant can be removed from a given space, spun, worked, and put back with ease. This changes the game.

I am excited to share my designs, but I am trying to develop a company and product line as something I can support myself with. I havent gotten to the point of reveal, but if you folks have interest in helping with this, please let me know.

 

[woodsmantoker]

Question for you folks, if I may. If I make a product line of scrog systems and propriety key components that are engineered to solve these inherent issues, would you folks be interested? Would you support a woodsmantoker made product line? This has been a long time comming, many times talked about, but never more of interest to me than now. If you want to join me in discussing it further, please come hollar at me on Scrog Technologies FB page.

 

[Star Dog]

My hands are full atm I'm not planning on using a screen until I cut back on seeds and run clones again.

I've too many to treat them individually.

Fwiw I used these before but i found them a pain to set up more than one, I've a dodgy back they were too much bending and leaning getting them in place.



They worked fine not surprisingly.

 

[woodsmantoker]

Do you all train through stretch or train in veg n let them go except offenders ?

I been years training through stretch and sick of little buds off side arms
this round I’m going to let them grow as I have filled my screens

This is a great question.

Each cultivar will potentially need a different set of rules from one another. This leans back towards early discussion about learning given strains before setting the rules. From there, having a guide for how to maintain and manage each accordingly, makes good sense. Another good rule of thumb has been to stop training during preflowering stretch with all unknown varieties so you can see and "measure" how that cultivar preforms through that period (I can elaborate further if you would like). Never the less, whatever doest fit the mold (aka scrog) should be kept within the relative plane of evenly horizontal in relationship to the rest of the plant, or disruption in uniformity will result.

 

[Fatjoe]

Question for you folks, if I may. If I make a product line of scrog systems and propriety key components that are engineered to solve these inherent issues, would you folks be interested? Would you support a woodsmantoker made product line? This has been a long time comming, many times talked about, but never more of interest to me than now. If you want to join me in discussing it further, please come hollar at me on Scrog Technologies FB page.

I do these things you mention with floater screens. Simple method.

 

[woodsmantoker]

My hands are full atm I'm not planning on using a screen until I cut back on seeds and run clones again.
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I've too many to treat them individually.

Fwiw I used these before but i found them a pain to set up more than one, I've a dodgy back they were too much bending and leaning getting them in place.
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They worked fine not surprisingly.

Nice!

Understood, I wouldn't suggest systems for each seed plant when they are still part of a selection process or prior to being ready to commit them to a given goal that requires scrog methodology. Typically, clones or selected plants that are at the point of training to size for flowering, are ideal for single plant systems.

Take into consideration that there are factors that would make functionality surprisingly more easy such as wheels. If each of those units were attached to a platform that allowed you to roll it out of the tent, and spin it 360 while still remaining seated (think wheelchair), how might that change things. The problem of accessibility isnt solved by a larger net, but rather the opposite. You make the best point, its easier. True, but also not better. If you have accessibility, how much better would each plant look relatively speaking, and how much more efficient would you be at the goal of scrog cultivation overall? Thats where the concept of modular units comes in so strong. I think we have been missing out for a long time, scrogging large batches of plants vs individualized and more one on one focus with each plant. This is represented well in gardens where a grower can focus on each plant individually.

The scrog design/engineering should achive these goals, not the growers techniques persay. Thats the compromise I want to bridge through product development for you folks.

 

[woodsmantoker]

I do these things you mention with floater screens. Simple method.

Floating screens are fantastic and have many applications. What they lack however, that stand alone systems with frames achive, is relavent. Lets chat about it! I would love to have you folks test some prototypes.

 

[woodsmantoker]

Holy moly, good people. I have been at this thread for 15 years (give or take a few absences). Scrogging for much longer. Its a great feeling being back on here with you fine people, discussing a passion and long time interment relationship with this plant. I appreciate you all.

 

[Fatjoe]

To me a scrog or screen is just a tool. Doesn't really matter what strain it is. I control it with the screen. My floaters are not set framed scrogs. They grow with the canopy from flip to harvest. They provide support and you can keep your canopy as flat as you'd like. Using clones helps with knowledge of the growing characteristics.
I can also pull plants from the tent anytime.

A single enclosed unit is a decent idea for handicapped folks. I'm sure there's a market out there for it. Setting up a nice system would make things easier for that type of scrog.

 

[slevarTsneveS]

This is end of day 39. Had to throw in a trellis because everything is already flopping over.

 

[woodsmantoker]

Happy Holidays, good people!
May your life and scrogs be overflowing.

 

[Star Dog]

Does anyone monitor temperature above and below the canopy, it only applies if you have a screen?

Anyone with a screen must get the same problem I'm getting, the air gets drawn in through the bottom inlets under the screen then gets pulled through the canopy and out of the top.
The problem I'm finding is that down below the screen its cool due to the cold air getting pulled in there, how do you balance the temperature out between the top and bottom of the canopy?

I can't re route the ducting to above as that would defeat the purpose of air getting pulled through the canopy?
Atm I'm running a dehumidifier 24hrs for the heat it produces more than the humidity, the fan is on most of the time so the humidity isn't a problem but without it its getting down to 17/18c below the canopy.

This was one issue I wasn't able to sort out satisfactorily, creating space between the canopy and the wall with a fan pushing air down helped but there was room for improvement.

I thought about bringing air in the top of the canopy but never did get around to doing it, I've seen other folks suggesting it but idk if anyone did?

I've not used a screen besides for support with LED but I'd expect that same problem, how do you get around the temp difference, or cool temps around the pots due to the inlet?

 

[FmSwayze]

This was one issue I wasn't able to sort out satisfactorily, creating space between the canopy and the wall with a fan pushing air down helped but there was room for improvement.

I thought about bringing air in the top of the canopy but never did get around to doing it, I've seen other folks suggesting it but idk if anyone did?

I've not used a screen besides for support with LED but I'd expect that same problem, how do you get around the temp difference, or cool temps around the pots due to the inlet?

I run my fans 24/7. I have one Oscillating from the left on the bottom and another Oscillating from the right above the canopy. Plus another at the top pushing down warm air mixing I guess you would say. With my setup I've not experienced a big enough temp/humidity difference. Is there a difference? Absolutely, but not enough to be alarmed.

What issue are you having?

 

[FmSwayze]

Technique makes all the difference in most everything we do, scrog is a good representation of that. In regards to keeping things flat, with or without a measured tool such as the screen, the difficulty increases with distance from the main stem/center. The greater the distance unsupported, the more structural integrity is needed within the reaching branches. In order to support an increasing load auxin redistribution occurs. Uneven auxin redistribution plays a role in making things more difficult. However, in the case of scrog use to maintain relative horizontal positioning, regardless of relativity to true horizontally level, the tool of the screen maintains the given plane and makes keeping the even plane easy.
So, back to accessibility as the important problem to solve without compromising the intent of horizontal trellising/training.

Over the years it became obvious to me that single plant systems bring a dynamic to cannabis cultivation that is unmatched. What it provides you as the grower, is seemingly priceless. I have been making stand alone single plant scrogs systems that give accessibility you cant get any other way. If you have each plant in a stand alone scrog, that also has wheels, each plant can be removed from a given space, spun, worked, and put back with ease. This changes the game.

I am excited to share my designs, but I am trying to develop a company and product line as something I can support myself with. I havent gotten to the point of reveal, but if you folks have interest in helping with this, please let me know.

I'm getting ready to run a single plant scrog, if you need a tester. Let me know, I'll be training through my first layer within the week.

1 plant 7 gal. In a 2x4

 

[Star Dog]

I run my fans 24/7. I have one Oscillating from the left on the bottom and another Oscillating from the right above the canopy. Plus another at the top pushing down warm air mixing I guess you would say. With my setup I've not experienced a big enough temp/humidity difference. Is there a difference? Absolutely, but not enough to be alarmed.

What issue are you having?

Hey bud, now I think about it, it wasn't so much of an issue but it was getting a bit cooler than I was happy with, I was probably over thinking it tbh.