DWC and Oxygen (an essential nutrient), not air, aeration or hydrogen peroxide (H2O2)
- Thread starter J Henry
- Start date
Pinner,
You are the only grower I have found that has real time experience, knowledge of oxygenation equipment, experience using supplemental oxygen enrichment and hands on experience with PSA oxygen generators. And willing to share your pearl of information.
The electrical cost 24/7/months of continuous operation with your O2 generator to make all that high concentration oxygen is probably as cheap or actually cheaper than the electrical cost to run good air pump that can only pump air 24/7/for months throughout the complete growing season.
If you don’t mind sharing some details, I have a few questions please.
IE. Measured head water DO 25 ppm – measured tail waters DO 6 ppm = a total of 19 ppm DO is consumed by plants, a little DO is off-gassed into the atmosphere.
Again, thanks so much for your help and sharing your oxygenation experience with me.
Who’s your pick in the Big Game today, the Broncos or the Panthers?
My pick: Panthers 23—Bronchos 17
J
You are the only grower I have found that has real time experience, knowledge of oxygenation equipment, experience using supplemental oxygen enrichment and hands on experience with PSA oxygen generators. And willing to share your pearl of information.
The electrical cost 24/7/months of continuous operation with your O2 generator to make all that high concentration oxygen is probably as cheap or actually cheaper than the electrical cost to run good air pump that can only pump air 24/7/for months throughout the complete growing season.
If you don’t mind sharing some details, I have a few questions please.
- Why did you change from air, aerating your DWC to using Airsep’s O2 generator?
- Does tour crop do better with air or 93% oxygen?
- Where did you buy your O2 generator?
- How much did your oxygen generator cost
- How long have you been using supplemental oxygen?
- What kind of sparaging device do you use, diffuser, cone or packed column?
- How much did your sparager cost?
- How many plants are serviced with your oxygen generator?
- What is the total water volume of your DWC system?
- What is the head water DO Saturation?
- What is the tail water DO Saturation?
IE. Measured head water DO 25 ppm – measured tail waters DO 6 ppm = a total of 19 ppm DO is consumed by plants, a little DO is off-gassed into the atmosphere.
- How much DO ppm does your crop actually consume per 24 hr. period?
Again, thanks so much for your help and sharing your oxygenation experience with me.
Who’s your pick in the Big Game today, the Broncos or the Panthers?
My pick: Panthers 23—Bronchos 17
J
Pinner - do you have an oxygen generator that delivers gaseous O2 or do you have an ozone generator that delivers gaseous O3. These 2 gases are different.
I sure missed the mark on the game yesterday. Bronco's were spectacular, unstoppable. Newton looked like he had enough by half-time yet he had 2 more quarters left to go. He's never got into his "celebration mode."
I sure missed the mark on the game yesterday. Bronco's were spectacular, unstoppable. Newton looked like he had enough by half-time yet he had 2 more quarters left to go. He's never got into his "celebration mode."
pinner420
Well-Known Member
O2 then there's none of the changing cylendar gymnastics. Your time is better spent. Ive speculated on building an eclectolosis hydrogen oxygen seperator and then getting a hydrogen fuel cell to power stuff but haven't made time.. im just a patient and not a care provider so as a result no bottom line to really expand..
EarthBoxConnoisseur
Active Member
I have cloned with honey. It works.
Labs Dexter
Well-Known Member
I use it all the way through seedlings to chop
.For cloning I chop the cuts and leave em in a tea cup with one tea spoon of raw organic honey and water mix
Last edited:
bogistJoe sr
Member
I'm in MI and saw on Craigslist a " Inogen Portable Oxygen Concentrator" used for $450. I know my wife uses one for breathing issues while sleeping. It provides 1/2 - 3 liters per minute of 93% pure o2. 
but a generator backed by this tank selling for $450 used( I didn't know welding required 99.993% pure o2, &how isn't that medical grade purity) so my dream of enriching my 18" diam X 40 ft tall, 72 plant vertical PVC sewer pipe with o2 to every root via o2 feed tube to smart cloth pots with supersoil, for 1st time, seems reasonable
but a generator backed by this tank selling for $450 used( I didn't know welding required 99.993% pure o2, &how isn't that medical grade purity) so my dream of enriching my 18" diam X 40 ft tall, 72 plant vertical PVC sewer pipe with o2 to every root via o2 feed tube to smart cloth pots with supersoil, for 1st time, seems reasonableDIY Deep Water Culture, The Recirculating Oxygen System http://www.bestseedbank.com/diy-deep-water-culture-the-recirculating-oxygen-system/#comment-26234
A few things jump out about this article: This is about a recirculating aeration system, not a recirculating oxygen system.
The author says, “Roots are able to meet their oxygen requirements from either the 02 in the air or through dissolved 02 in the nutrient solution. A dissolved oxygen content of above 4 to 5 mg/L (4 to 5 ppm) is required to sustain respiration and enable nutrient conversion. Extremely rapid root growth is recorded in water with a dissolved
oxygen concentration of above 9 mg/L (9 ppm).” [this is air – this is not oxygen the element O2]
Then says, “An air pump and manifold Silent diaphragm air pumps are the best option; they are very low wattage, often between 15 and 40 watts for 1200 to 5000 litres per hour: Many of them are also designed to be operated continuously.” [oxygen system deliver pure oxygen, they do not deliver air]
The author drops the hammer and says, “Pythium typically thrives in oxygen deficient and anaerobic water. !” [preventing low oxygenation in nutrient solution is less discouraging and aggravating and far better than treating the full blown fungal disease after it has established and killed root cells and microbes… like preventing athletes foot fungi by simply wearing clean socks and keeping your feet dry.]
The verbiage Oxygenation or mechanical aeration is a slippery slope at best, a common misnomer, misconception – let’s be specific for a change, the real difference between oxygenation and aeration is like daylight and dark.
Most people, growers and writers consider oxygen and air to be the same gas so this sounds like if you pump plenty of air surely there is will be plenty of oxygen for the plant eco system and the microbe eco system too… It’s logical that more plants, bigger plants and more microbes require more oxygen, Right?
If you ever had an infestation of Pythium fungi be assured that this pathogen is a ubiquitous opportunist and thrives because the environment you created was hypoxic (low insufficient oxygen). Eliminate your hypoxia and Pythium cannot thrive. Prevention is better than the cure.
This article is about the positive effects of sufficient aeration with mechanical aeration. Aerating is basically pumping plenty of air with an electric air pump. Pure air is not pure oxygen. The limiting factor of air is the low fractional concentration of oxygen in the air. Air is 80% nitrogen. The point is providing plenty of oxygen gas, not providing plenty of nitrogen gas.
Everyone says oxygen is really important. How do you insure plenty of oxygen… most folks hope a lot, depend on air (aeration) and are programed to chill the water with an electric chiller, maintain nutrient temp between 65F – 68F. and blow more air in the water always hoping there might be enough dissolved O2 in the water. They think about the possibility root rot every day.
Few growers have ever actually measured their solution DO Saturation with a DO meter considering the meter too costly and not very important. They always relying on Standard DO saturation charts based on air, fresh water, water temp, salinity and barometric pressure. Most have no concept of DO Supersaturation for 80 F water (DO Supersaturation 150% at the head waters and DO saturation at the tail waters… the difference being a loss of 50% Saturation consumed by plants, microbes and off-gassing throughout 1 flow cycle through the RDWC system.
If the microbe colony is small and the plants are small, of course a minimal amount of oxygen is required and mechanical aeration is usually sufficient. But, if the plants and root zone is large and the microbe colony is large, well, to be healthy they will require more oxygen (oxygen is the key word, do not be confused with the word air, “air” means a mixture of many gases).
It seems like a logical person would consider providing more oxygen if the 2 eco systems are hypoxic and need more oxygen. That sounds like the most logical most economical thing to do to me if you really want to insure minimal safe oxygenation continuously. Yet most people never consider this and minimal safe continuous oxygen is really not very important. – What you see is what it is.
Thanks for posting that url.
J
Gary Goodson
Well-Known Member
Son of a bitch, this honey shit really annoys the fuck outta me. Hit the Internet and you'll see honey and aloe have been used for cloning for a long time.
But what I want @Labs Dexter to do is run a side by side using honey all the way through like he claims. Other than cloning, honey isn't really worth adding to the grow.
Anyone giving labs credit for the cloning thing has been scammed. He never said he used honey for cloning. He thinks honey should be used as a fertilizer/flavor enhancer...
But what I want @Labs Dexter to do is run a side by side using honey all the way through like he claims. Other than cloning, honey isn't really worth adding to the grow.
Anyone giving labs credit for the cloning thing has been scammed. He never said he used honey for cloning. He thinks honey should be used as a fertilizer/flavor enhancer...
pinner420
Well-Known Member
Ive read all his work funny thing is he puts all the pics of air pumps in there but in reality he generates all DO requitements with the waterfall effect. Blasting room temp air into solution is counter productive and yes requires a chiller all of the sudden. With just the waterfall effect increasing surface area to atmosphere alone get up to 9mg/l ..1/2 inch bore input over pebbles and rez bypass to blast down into remote rez i know its to simple yet the 8th wonder of the world. Unplug air and hear yourself think. I thought the bit about toxicity was a gem too. Looking forward to some pics man.
Labs Dexter
Well-Known Member
It's crystals enhancer I said, ask @jacksthc he is gonna start using the same honey I mentioned and @lahadaextranjera.
They are more professionals than me and they can maybe explain more.
I done it because my uncle uses it.. And he said it will help with me stressing the plants.
I think it helps the plants thrive but it's gotta be organic raw honey, if like you organic grower should try it I bet your plants will be praying.
But even non organic soil you can get good advantage from honey.
I told you before I grow personal and prefer to use honey, when I do get an actual legal lab maybe then buddy until then why don't you try it.
Why you gotta mention me every time without trying?
I said before I run cheap nutes and use honey as addetives to help the plants tackle stress, and the crystals dripping
Labs Dexter
Well-Known Member
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.cannabis.info/us/abc/30008397-grow-some-sweet-cannabis-plants-with-honey&ved=0ahUKEwjrr4uP85DLAhWBhhoKHa0nAJIQFggnMAM&usg=AFQjCNFZEzvYTK9Z2acde4hMfu4BYfhVXA&sig2=cHK4cClLFOAGp3jnbyyiBQ
You should know this stuff Gary, I was told to use it and then realised I could not use it as nutrient because it has non so I was feeding at low doses cheap vegg and bloom nutes. Makes my buds look sexy
.
I kept quite after your crying and calling me a noob wich I never denied, kept it between three friends and showing the results because they were interested.
You must av missed me because I did you mate
You should know this stuff Gary, I was told to use it and then realised I could not use it as nutrient because it has non so I was feeding at low doses cheap vegg and bloom nutes. Makes my buds look sexy
.I kept quite after your crying and calling me a noob wich I never denied, kept it between three friends and showing the results because they were interested.
You must av missed me because I did you mate
Gary Goodson
Well-Known Member
I'm not attacking, I've used honey before. I've also told you this already. I've used it to clone and you are correct raw honey is better for that. But as far as it helping in the grow, it cost more money than it's worth imho.
If you can explain how and why it's a "crystal enhancer" in a reasonable way, that'd be awesome.
Labs Dexter
Well-Known Member
I'm sick of repeating Gary I don't have the space to do that and I use honey from veg to chop day.
I eat allot of honey and do meds for cold myself so allways stocked up with honey from few country's lol its my gift when ever my family go abroad. (Raw honey) prefebly organic.
if you do the research your self Gary maybe you could help me,I cannot clone so doing twins in my case is over...
but I promise you I never had crystals dripping budds until I started using this organic honey because I have no hive.
I used several types of honey until I found one that did what my uncle said very well and cheap lol.
You need to research Gary like I did don't just believe what I say, research what I say buddy or try it yourself to know what exactly it does.
http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/product/tropical-forest-honey-60081030
I am a noob and a school drop out but what I learnt how to grow by fucking up and researching how I fucked up using Internet and them leaf charts.
So any science behind it I don't know but since using honey I hermied once, and that was because I asked the wife to water because I had my operation and couldn't get there for a week or two.
Please you do a normal soil grow I will tell you my soil and the honey I use and try it your self please I would really appreciate it. But until then I'm still standing by what it does and what I said and explained properly to jacksthc and lahadaextranjera...
Wich is supplementary only I tried as nute and didn't go well, supplements it's perfect like viagra for them ladies