DWC and Oxygen (an essential nutrient), not air, aeration or hydrogen peroxide (H2O2)

J Henry said:

I was talking with Budley and yikes, lo and behold look what in the world has jumped out from under a rock, flailing, screaming, cursing, and calling names, clearly mad at the world and maybe at me too.

All this negative hostility about just mentioning few words about a new idea (Oxygen), something different than air but out of the mundane ordinary day in life that has clearly stimulated hostile, adverse reaction by these few soul.

I do apologize, sorry you chose to read my thread... I'm OK, you OK now, be happy now.

Clearly this subject is way too stimulating for some folks to even think about much less discuss intelligently without an auto-aggression (knee-jerk) response... Alien, like an Event Horizon or more-so like visualizing one’s own death when lips, ears, fingers, toes and face turns pale, then light blue and in short order dark blue and the cold creep of one’s mortality suddenly becomes reality.

Classic Med-School Pathology Rotation: A pathologist friend of mine always opened his lectures every day saying this, "Death is like an out of body experience but you don't come back and life's party is over. I love dead people, they make my day worthwhile. I love my work." Then he would smile at the shocked class and often wink at a cute med student.

No Foul taken personally guys, but a general character observation is crystal clear, that's all.

Cheers

J

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Try do a thread on flushing or defoliation lmao you will have allot better results

That's a thought Dex, thanks.
J

Have you purchased your DO meter yet. Subscribed!

J Henry said:

That's a thought Dex, thanks.
J

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Jokes aside good idea and thinking, just imagine people were giving me crap for using raw honey and talking about it lol

three months later hotrod cloned with honey and had impressive results lol and now is a believer...

You never know.. I have two others trying same honey I get and hopefully they will be able to document their results...

Has it been determined that the current standard practices of increasing soluble oxygen in the water are inadequate?

Is there a point of diminishing returns as far as DO is concerned?

Labs Dexter said:

Jokes aside good idea and thinking, just imagine people were giving me crap for using raw honey and talking about it lol

three months later hotrod cloned with honey and had impressive results lol and now is a believer...

You never know.. I have two others trying same honey I get and hopefully they will be able to document their results...

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Honey for cloning, now that's awesome do you have a thread going about it ? I would definitely give it a go and share my results.

Dex - Sinusitis, pollen allergies... I ate local raw honey 2.5 years daily, about 5 heaping tablespoons every day. I have not had any pollen related allergies since then, allergy free 20 years now. Eating raw local honey worked extremely well for me. Of course if you confirmed diabetic or border line diabetic, eating all this honey may not be an option.

You know Dex, an idea, a simple little thought takes a while before it's transforms into reality. Many new thoughts, ideas and inventions fail to thrive for many reasons and die on the vine so to speak, but the innovative people keep on thinking up new stuff trying out their new stuff. Guess that's the difference between the people that own the Company and make the big bucks and the hired help that makes the little bucks stocking the shelves, mopping the floors, washing the windows and taking the trash out.

Cheers
J

a senile fungus said:

Has it been determined that the current standard practices of increasing soluble oxygen in the water are inadequate?

Is there a point of diminishing returns as far as DO is concerned?

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Fungi - have you eve had any problems with root zone fungi proliferation? If you have, then the cause of the problem may have started wit a low oxygen issue that you either did not recognize or failed to correct.

I really don't understand what you mean by "point of diminishing returns as far as DO is concerned." Do you mean at what point root zone hypoxia cannot be reversed with air, aeration?
J

Back on topic though Henry I would love to see your results for using 100% O2 in the DWC but I would recommend reading the scholarly journal article posted by hot rod while we were fucking with each other over the internet it was a good read through and touched on quite a few things that should interest you.


http://www.scott.k12.ky.us/userfiles/13127/Classes/59154/Effects Of Dissolved Oxygen-Literature Review.pdf

My main concern with extremely high levels of oxygen are centered around the oxidative qualities of oxygen and the creation of free radicals

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/misc_topics/radicals.html

all of that being said i look forward to seeing what you come up with on this and sorry for hijacking your thread for so long. I didn't want you to be shot down so quickly with comments such as who the fuck uses pure oxygen ect, and that turned in to a dick measuring contest on who's more educated / older that no one really wins anyway.

Keep me posted on what you're doing and the methodology you plan to use to test this out I might have a few suggestions as well if you're up for hearing them.

pinner420 said:

Have you purchased your DO meter yet. Subscribed!

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Pin - Actually my new DO meter with a couple membranes kits will be here either today or no later than next Monday... a YSI 550-A with 12' cord. My old DO meter final gave up the ghost and died just before Christmas.
Cheers
J

Anyone have a favorite ceramic airstone nobody carries a quality one around here. Regards#!

pinner420 said:

Anyone have a favorite ceramic airstone nobody carries a quality one around here. Regards#!

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/251241169727?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82


It's not ceramic but that's the airstone I have used in my DWC systems

Just thought of this, depending on how you plan to run the pure 02 through /inside your grow room there could potentially be explosive results when the lights kick on, so be careful around O2 and things that can ignite it.

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Just thought of this, depending on how you plan to run the pure 02 through /inside your grow room there could potentially be explosive results when the lights kick on, so be careful around O2 and things that can ignite it.

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dancer - Maybe like in a hospital room or in ER where oxygen is being used… a sign placed on the outside of the door … NO SMOKING - OXYGEN IN USE (in big red letters)

Oxygen Safety is definitely important. Oxygen is not air. Oxygen (the gas) will not ignite or explode but makes thing that will burn, burn faster and hotter.

Well that sure was intense lol. Thought I'd have to separate you guys and give a time out lol. Oh and as for registering the oxygen, I just swap tanks at the welding shop. But yes like I said watch out for the kaboom factor. That could be a bummer.

J Henry said:

Oxygen Safety is definitely important. Oxygen is not air. Oxygen (the gas) will not ignite or explode but makes thing that will burn, burn faster and hotter.

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Very true but mixed with / saturating the room air present in your grow room does have potential explosive possibilities. That being said you sound educated enough on the subject just be careful and detail oriented.

Few more logistical questions if you plan to take this full term

-Do you plan to supliment CO2 in the room for the greener parts of the plant

-How hermetically sealed is your space

-How often would you need to break that seal to tend to the plants

-Where do you plan to aquire medical grade / pure O2

- Do you plan to run a full experiment with controls ect

-What factors are you looking to test / compare

-growth rate veg / flower
-potency
-yield
-all of the above
-none of the above

-Are you testing O2 saturation in individual buckets, your resivoir, or both

Budley Doright said:

Well that sure was intense lol. Thought I'd have to separate you guys and give a time out lol.

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Old troll habits die hard, he came in all fired up trying to shoot Henry down before he even got started so I stoked the flames to see if they would boil over. It worked but then I got all worked up too, so that backfired . Either way it's over and we're both a little worse off for it.

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Old troll habits die hard, he came in all fired up trying to shoot Henry down before he even got started so I stoked the flames to see if they would boil over. It worked but then I got all worked up too, so that backfired . Either way it's over and we're both a little worse off for it.

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It happens to the best of us .

breakdancer0003 said:

Old troll habits die hard, he came in all fired up trying to shoot Henry down before he even got started so I stoked the flames to see if they would boil over. It worked but then I got all worked up too, so that backfired . Either way it's over and we're both a little worse off for it.

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Bud - I swap tanks at the welding shop too, compressed welding oxygen cost $7.00 for 250 cu.ft. @ 2200 psi. You are absolutely right about knowing the ruled of the road about storing and using oxygen… oxygen is not air.

0003 – Safety is paramount. If you are not familiar with the safety rules, don’t use it.

Your questions:

-Do you plan to supliment CO2 in the room for the greener parts of the plant – maybe, CO2 gas is an asphyxiant unlike oxygen gas. Extra knowledge and care must be taken when using these gases. These gas can be used safely provide you have learned how to use them safely and practice what you have learned.

-How hermetically sealed is your space – some ventilation

-How often would you need to break that seal to tend to the plants – N/A

-Where do you plan to aquire medical grade / pure O2 – USP Oxygen may be an option, albiet a more expensive option, commercial welding oxygen fine

- Do you plan to run a full experiment with controls ect – in some DWC and SWC circles this oxygenation technique may be past the experimental stages of development and fully operational

-What factors are you looking to test / compare –

1. Absolute, guaranteed prevention of root zone fungal disease caused by A nutrient poor water quality condition (hypoxia or water with low-unstable DO saturation-oxygen content) has been demonstrated in DWC and SWC hydroponics. Insuring and maintaining DWC DO saturation continuously appears to prevent any and most potential hypoxic events during the growing cycle that encourage fungi and pathogen growth. Water temperature is no longer limited by DO using controlled doses of supplemental oxygen continuously. Manipulating DO Supersaturation with supplemental oxygen opens new doors of culture opportunities… the secret stuff. The DWC growers that imagine the “what if I do this or do that stuff” that really thinks out-of-the-box of the everyday mundane, Poppy says “plenty of dissolved air (aeration) always insures plenty of oxygen Dissolved oxygen in the water” mind set. Of course that's an old wives tale that is incorrect now and always will be. Oxygen is not air.

Eureka, we are all having a round table discussion right now using our imagination and opening new doors of perception that is based solidly in gas chemistry laws, plant nutrition and plant disease with documented causes and effects (low oxygen and hypoxic root zones). Scientific facts about something new to many and very different where everyone has a say, there is no harm and no fouls at this table for anyone that participates.

Henry’s Gas Law – the gas law that seriously limits DO saturation with air (20% oxygen) and allows high DO supersaturation (with 100% oxygen) in DWC water at all water temperatures. Check this out, do the math and you will easily understand how to use Henry’s Gas Law to manipulate the dissolved oxygen (an essential nutrient element) in any DWC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry%27s_law

Understanding how to use gas chemistry, Henry’s Gas Law opens the door that allows any culturist to absolutely control DO and ALL the necessary nutrients in DWC throughout the entire growing season. In DWC, air seriously limits DO saturation because of water temperature, solute concentration and barometric pressure, pure 100% oxygen dramatically expands the limitation of air when sustained safe oxygenation is the whole point of an oxygenation exercise.

Pure 100% oxygen - Imagine this a moment: the space shuttle is trying to launch and get off the ground using air (aeration) to create the enormous energy necessary to reach escape velocity – air won’t work at all, pure liquid oxygen (LOX) is necessary to make the rocket fire hot enough to create the energy required to overcome earth’s gravity and reach space.

-growth rate veg / flower
-potency
-yield
-all of the above - Yes
-none of the above

The only nutrient you cannot absolutely control with air (aeration) in a DWC is dissolved oxygen because of the limitations of oxygen are regulated and controlled by Henry’s Gas Law. Most culturist hope and depend on air (aeration) to provide all the oxygen necessary to keep the plant root zones healthy during a growing season. Nagging constantly is the real possibility of low to no oxygen, suffocation and the dreaded plant diseases cause by low oxygenation which is a well-known real issue limiting DWC and SWC hydroponics potential.

It is shocking when you have the ability to absolutely really control the dissolved oxygen saturation (nutrient) continuously for the entire growing period.

If plants are low in oxygen and need oxygen, sounds logical and reasonable to me simply to give them more oxygen, not more air, more aeration, H2O2 and other popular snake oil gimmicks that are supposed to be oxygen.

A DO meter is 1 tool that measures DO saturation (DO Sat) and DO concentration (DO PPM) in a wide range of water temperatures. It is not possible to smell, taste or see the difference, or guess the gas concentrations between air, oxygen or nitrogen.

Cheers
J

J Henry said:

dancer - Maybe like in a hospital room or in ER where oxygen is being used… a sign placed on the outside of the door … NO SMOKING - OXYGEN IN USE (in big red letters)

Oxygen Safety is definitely important. Oxygen is not air. Oxygen (the gas) will not ignite or explode but makes thing that will burn, burn faster and hotter.

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Way hotter, way faster lol.