Did we actually land on the moon?

...people on the moon at 1/6 spped do not look like people on earth period..

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if it moves at 1/6th then it moves at 1/6 th

show me your calculations
g=1/6th on the moon, therefore it has to move at 1/6th the rate.

y else would the video b speeded to 2x, for what other purpose?
other than to prove that a real lunar walking should be much much slower

..dont you think one of the physicists at nasa wouldve pointed this out if it were so

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and lose his job? no not in the slightest.

how can you imply that it must be true just becos a man in a white raincoat with a bald head and bifoculs and a badge that says 'NASA' says so?

i at least have an argument, u don't,
(a contradiction is not an argument - see monty python)

an argument
in very simple math
in which none of u can show me the alleged error...

and as for how u people keep repeating the 'Russians would have known', go back and reread the thread i've re-explained it along with many others several times already.

Another point raised in a movie about a DECADE ago:

There should have been no dust at the landing site.
The blast from the module would have blown the dust 100's of meters
away. More than six times as on earth as there is no air to slow it.

But there is a nice gooey sod for armstrong to put his boot in?

The same Armstrong that on Larry King was going on about how
they saw UFO's on the way to the moon?

40% of astronauts killed in motor accidents....


etc
etc
etc


and no other claims to any other space fraud.

none at all

except Apollo.

PoseidonsNet said:

y else would the video b speeded to 2x, for what other purpose?
other than to prove that a real lunar walking should be much much slower





There should have been no dust at the landing site.
The blast from the module would have blown the dust 100's of meters
away. More than six times as on earth as there is no air to slow it.

But there is a nice gooey sod for armstrong to put his boot in?

The same Armstrong that on Larry King was going on about how
they saw UFO's on the way to the moon?

40% of astronauts killed in motor accidents....


and no other claims to any other space fraud.

none at all

except Apollo.

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Great post PosNet!!

Is it true that 40% of astronauts get killed in motor accidents? How does that work?

y else would the video b speeded to 2x, for what other purpose?
other than to prove that a real lunar walking should be much much slower

If anyone understands logic than they should try and refute the above quote from PN! I have yet to hear anyone give a logical argument to the above postulate.....

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

We TaRdED said:

What are you talking about? Please enlighten us (I could google it, but I'd rather hear it from you)

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Freedom of Information Act... get every document relating to Apollo and post it.

Is it true that 40% of astronauts get killed in motor accidents? How does that work?

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that was in the video i saw last century. basically they refused to play along, and were removed from the program. or at least thats what the video implied.

SocataSmoker said:

Freedom of Information Act... get every document relating to Apollo and post it.

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When did you become an "Elite" member?

I'm not going to get ever doc relating to the Apollo mission and post it.... I'm trying to debate on one subject at a time. Lets work through the math first, if you can prove my (and PosNets) logic to be wrong then I will move onto the next subjects. Until then, we stand to be correct.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

An object in free flight will follow a ballistic trajectory in accordance with Newton's laws of motion. The only force acting on the object is gravity, which on Earth has an acceleration of 32.2 ft/s2. On the Moon gravity is much less, 5.33 ft/s2. If the ballistic flight of an object on the Moon is sped up by a factor of 2.46 it will mimic exactly ballistic motion on Earth, and vice versa. The 2X speed the hoax advocates claim is close to this 2.46 ratio, hence free flight motion looks "normal" because it is what our eyes and brains are accustomed to seein

A long time ago, back when I first signed up... I donate to sites that help me.

Good find homegrown!

Alright, lets get through this math... your math says that they should move much slower due to 1/6th the gravity, you base this on the astronaut weighing less on the moon than the earth correct? Have you forgotten that no matter the gravity, the mass of the astronaut does not change? 175lb astronaut with with 120 lbs of equipment weighing nearly 300lbs... well that's still 300lbs of mass on the moon. Figure that in with inertia and that 300lbs can move pretty fast while being hard to stop, if you watch the lunar landing videos, and understand what you can and cannot do on earth with it's gravity, and with wires holding the astronauts, you'll see that it is in fact lunar gravity working on those men. Also... you think Poseidon or yourself are more qualified than all of the Soviet scientists who scrupulously examined all of the footage from the lunar landings? The fact that no one has proven it was a hoax in over 35 years should stand testament to any science you or Poseidon think you know about space travel... if the real guys can't do it, I doubt you will be able to as well.

Other motion however, such as the movements of the astronauts' arms, looks very unnatural when speeded up. The hoax advocates deceivingly apply this explanation very selectively. If the Apollo footage is viewed in its entirety it becomes clear the 2X speed explanation cannot account for the observed motion. The Apollo video is exactly what it appears to be, that is, man on the Moon. The convincing evidence is in the dust, which is particularly apparent in the video of the Lunar Rover. If this video were shot on Earth there would be clouds of dust thrown into the atmosphere by the Rover's wheels, however there is no evidence of this. The dust falls immediately back to the surface as it would in an airless environment.

hom36rown said:

An object in free flight will follow a ballistic trajectory in accordance with Newton's laws of motion. The only force acting on the object is gravity, which on Earth has an acceleration of 32.2 ft/s2. On the Moon gravity is much less, 5.33 ft/s2. If the ballistic flight of an object on the Moon is sped up by a factor of 2.46 it will mimic exactly ballistic motion on Earth, and vice versa. The 2X speed the hoax advocates claim is close to this 2.46 ratio, hence free flight motion looks "normal" because it is what our eyes and brains are accustomed to seein

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Where do you get the factor of 2.46? What source did you get that info from?( You could be right.)

Also, can you explain why its a factor of 2.46 instead of a factor of 6..???

Thanks hom36rown

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

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youd have to use the square root of 6

It's truly amazing how people still refuse to answer my question as to why would the Soviets not expose our hoax given the political scenario of the time. I swore I'd not post here again but here goes...Try this on for size....
Take a look at the film footage of when the Ascent Stage of the LEM took off. The Ascent stage would weigh slightly over 10,000 lbs on Earth. The Ascent engine of the LEM produced 3500 lbs of thrust. Even those with the simplest grasp of physics should be able to understand what that means; the LEM couldn't possibly take off under Earth gravity. It would just sit there. When you add in the fact it took off in broad daylight into a pitch BLACK sky, the rocket engine left no visible exhaust plume or contrail, it was able to fly without any problems from a totally unaerodynamic shape,
and the small pieces of metalized mylar insulation blasted away by the ascent engine fly away from the LEM in straight lines with no turbulence which means it happened in a hard vacuum. If you think any of this could have been faked by any technology that existed at the time or, for that matter, now, you simply don't know what you are talking about. It has never been shown by anyone that any of those things could be faked.

Oh and one more thing. No video was shot on the moon. The technology didn't exist at the time. It would have been weight prohibitive to carry miles of film and cameras to shoot the astronauts. They had to conserver weight so they sent the feed(s) via RF in real time. All "footage" we see today was taken from TV screens on earth. All the "footage" was "shot" in real time and downlinked to Earth. Anyone with the proper receiver could have viewed the astronauts and they did. All countries with antenna arrays simply trained their arrays at the moon and downloaded the live feed. If this was shot in a studio, some country would've noticed.

VTXDave said:

It's truly amazing how people still refuse to answer my question as to why would the Soviets not expose our hoax given the political scenario of the time. I swore I'd not post here again but here goes...Try this on for size....
Take a look at the film footage of when the Ascent Stage of the LEM took off. The Ascent stage would weigh slightly over 10,000 lbs on Earth. The Ascent engine of the LEM produced 3500 lbs of thrust. Even those with the simplest grasp of physics should be able to understand what that means; the LEM couldn't possibly take off under Earth gravity. It would just sit there. When you add in the fact it took off in broad daylight into a pitch BLACK sky, the rocket engine left no visible exhaust plume or contrail, it was able to fly without any problems from a totally unaerodynamic shape,
and the small pieces of metalized mylar insulation blasted away by the ascent engine fly away from the LEM in straight lines with no turbulence which means it happened in a hard vacuum. If you think any of this could have been faked by any technology that existed at the time or, for that matter, now, you simply don't know what you are talking about. It has never been shown by anyone that any of those things could be faked.

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I swore I'd not post here again but here goes..

^No worries Dave. I don't have any problems with you.^

You got a specific link to the vid you are talking about?

(As a note)It sounds like the LEM had a little over double the amount of thrust(~1834lbs extra thrust, since the LEM would have weighed ~1666 lbs on the moon.) needed to take the LEM off the moons surface.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

I think the hoax would be harder to pull off than the real thing

VTXDave said:

Oh and one more thing. No video was shot on the moon. The technology didn't exist at the time. It would have been weight prohibitive to carry miles of film and cameras to shoot the astronauts. They had to conserver weight so they sent the feed(s) via RF in real time. All "footage" we see today was taken from TV screens on earth. All the "footage" was "shot" in real time and downlinked to Earth. Anyone with the proper receiver could have viewed the astronauts and they did. All countries with antenna arrays simply trained their arrays at the moon and downloaded the live feed. If this was shot in a studio, some country would've noticed.

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Good point!

Did they have satellites back then? Would it have been possible for NASA to send the "live" vids via satellites? Did half of the earth not receive video of the events. It sounds to me like the USA wouldn't have been able to receive video during the "back rotation" away from the moon.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

hom36rown said:

youd have to use the square root of 6

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Ok, do you have a source or you just figured that out yourself?

I'm glad you guys are stepping up to the plate being scientifically analytical I'm eager to come to conclusions.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

We TaRdED said:

Good point!

Did they have satellites back then?

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Yes.

We TaRdED said:

Would it have been possible for NASA to send the "live" vids via satellites?

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The telemetry would not have jived to all the amateur astronomers and countries downloading the live feed from the moon.

We TaRdED said:

Did half of the earth not receive video of the events. It sounds to me like the USA wouldn't have been able to receive video during the "back rotation" away from the moon.

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Yes, 1/2 the earth would not receive the feed, but we, in cooperation with other countries from around the world with antennas, were able to capture and film the video signal from a video terminal.

LOL i dont know what happened or happening but there is alot of information around and if you want it can be found easy..!!

But answer this How come the MOON is 800,000 years older than the earth ..!!
...........\!!! LOL i think everyone should do some research in Astronomy
AS THE MOON DOESNT SPIN >>>THE ONLY Moon that does not appear to rotate in are galaxy

LOL as everyone knows you can only see one side ,,,...for real just that makes me think ........MOST of the old civilizations REMEMBER THE MOON NOT BEING THERE SO ANSWER THAT..!

what are you talking about, the moon is not older then the earth and what civilizations dont "remember" the moon being there?