Correct Use of The Word Energy

dtp5150 said:

another way to look at it is this...u see how some people get all the luck in the world? liked by everyone and praised? They get all kinds of good awesome nurturing energy from everyone donated in little chunks, get the awesome job huge paychecks .wealthy and family life luck all over the place. Well, they are usually very nice and donate to charity and whatever, to spread the good energy around, show them just how awesome life can be. This energy in the form of gifts and whatever makes other people feel good. So its a chain of energy starting from people giving another the courage/social responsibilty to spread the goodness around. This also works with the energy, or momentum, of bad agendas. people who are abused, littered with bad energy, often spread this bad energy around. Theres many ways to see this concept. Its all based on potential. Example of bad energy: Being in the same room as a psychopath murderer who kills anyone and he has no handcuffs. Or, being threatened by a mean person with a weapon. Both of these situations have a potential for a negative outcome. Even if something goes bad or not, this potential happened, and energy was transfered, and an appropirate reaction underwent and thus went on to potentiate further transfers of energy.

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Heisenberg said:

Conflation at it's best. Scientific words can not be used outside of science and still hold any sort of credible meaning. Using energy to describe spiritual, psychological and metaphysical concepts is a legitimate method to help you to convey the ideas, but does nothing to give them validity. You seem to be using energy as a way to skip over the mechanics of your theory. What are the principals governing this chain of bad and good energy? How is bad energy transferred? Is it subject to entropy? What distinguishes bad energy from good energy? What allows this energy to influence luck? These are just a few of the questions it would seem need to be answered before we could believe these ideas reflect reality.

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dtp5150 said:

bad or good makes no difference its still energy..momentum..potential...there doesnt have to be a "balance" of good vs evil ( even tho there may be morality/ethical wars ongoing )....i simply meant it as an example of two different scenarios..but its also interesting to note without this friction of the good vs evil a lot of work and energy could be directed elsewhere

the concept of thermodynamic entropy relates in a way as to why lovers, or enemies, blow each others heads off, "situations comes to a head", people have orgasms, laugh, applause, scream, yell, go postal, start business ventures, midlife crises, propose, etc etc.

luck is an illusion. its all about positioning and probability and potential, mixed with inflated egos

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dtp5150 said:

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researchkitty said:

If your going to link a 10 minute video, at least have the courtesy of a general overview "cliffnotes" rather than hoping 4 of us look at it to reply

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Beefbisquit said:

Very interesting! I remain skeptical, but I wish there were tests done on this gentleman!

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1. "Generating electricity" - this is normally done with the use of a small high-frequency, high-voltage, low-amperage device taped to the performer's body. James Randi mentions this device here, regarding others who have done this:

Randi wrote:
This “chi” scam artist on YouTube is probably using the very same setup as the Malaysian crook did, a small battery-powered device worn on the body that develops very high voltage at very low amperage, that can be directed from the body of the performer to anything that’s at a lower potential than he is. It’s a form of Tesla coil, and it’s very effective. There’s also a rabbi in New York using this same gimmick to convince the faithful…




2. Catching a "rifle bullet" - what is shown is the firing of a very low-speed pellet that can pierce the wall of an empty soda can. Then, Chang puts his hand in front of the gun. He is in no danger, and there does not appear to be anything extraordinary about what he is doing.


3. Moving a knife - Chang carefully balances a knife on its sheath. It is shown moving slightly in one direction, twice. With such a precariously-balanced object, the slightest breeze will move it readily. All Chang has to do is wait a bit. In the first movement, he has his mouth close to the knife, "talking" to it. In the second, he has leaned back, so either he's caught a breeze, or he started the knife in a position that would naturally swing away, or else he's using his knee (either one would work, but it's hard to tell from that angle which, if either, is in position), to slightly lift the glass tabletop.


4. "Fooling the experts" - they have a CEO, a doctor, and a physicist. They really needed an electrical engineer. They try to use an ordinary volt meter. If he's using the high-frequency device, of course they will not get readings from this! Some experts they are! Maybe they actually do use the metal detector on his back and feet to check for the device, but this is not shown. Chang seems to be flexing his back to produce his electricity. I would check between his shoulder blades. I mean, they strip him almost naked, but they let him leave his shirt on?!? Oh, and the color-changing LEDs have different colors depending on the direction of the current, not the amount.


5. "Chopstick through the table" - has anything ever looked more like a set-up magic trick? First, he takes them to his local restaurant. Then he can't make the "chi" work on Formica, so he needs to use the bottom of the table. This trick requires nothing more than a cheap table with a seam in the wood.

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There are many ways this “miracle” can be performed, but since the church won’t let anyone investigate, there’s no point in trying to solve it. Why are they so secretive about it? Because it’s a sham, a trick, a swindle designed to deceive the faithful. The church knows that any investigation will immediately reveal that they’ve been lying to their members.

The potassium permanganate + glycerin trick is accomplished by preparing two pharmacy-style gelatin capsules, one with the KMnO4 crystals, the other with glycerin (glycerol) (C3H8O3). They are taped together, then concealed within the cloth, paper, or other flammable material. When the material is crushed so as to fracture both capsules together, the mixed contents produce a powerful exothermic chemical reaction that ignites the package. The permanganate, a powerful – poisonous – oxidizing chemical in the form of dark purple crystals, can be obtained at any store selling water-purifying supplies. The glycerin – a harmless, thick, clear, syrupy liquid, is found at any pharmacy.

The mixture of carbon tetrachloride (CCl4) and carbon bisulphide (disulphide) (CS2) – both clear liquids – is about 50% of each. It is not too highly inflammable, but can easily be ignited. The result is a pale blue flame, which can only be seen in subdued light. Neither liquid should be imbibed, and should be washed off the skin quickly.

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What empirical evidence is there for chi or its harnessing? Testimonials and self-validating statements are offered in lieu of controlled scientific tests. Nevertheless, advocates are convinced they are not deluded in their metaphysical explanations. The acupuncturist is convinced he or she is unblocking chi. The reiki therapist and therapeutic touch nurse think they are channeling ki or prana. The Reichians think they can heal the body by harnessing and directing orgone. As a philosophy, chi kung and its relatives may provide one with a sense of harmony, power and meaning. As a metaphysical belief there is no way to disprove the existence of chi. However, explanations of events in terms of controlling and harnessing chi are superfluous by Occam's razor.

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Heisenberg said:

On an unrelated note, but since this is my thread...

I start college this week! In 4 short years i'll have a philosophy degree and actually be qualified to speak on these subjects.

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Chief Walkin Eagle said:

So all the masters of physics are wrong when they say everything is energy???... I do agree energy doesnt linger around like a ghost... Unless it is a ghost.

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Chief Walkin Eagle said:

I think you should study these modern findings on matter, atoms and energy, the people at the large Hadron Collider should be able to give you some insight... An interesting experiment was held there, scientist were trying to prove if atoms were an energy wave or a particle, the ones supporting the particle viewed the atom as a particle, and the ones supporting the energy wave viewed the atom as an energy wave, and they concluded that its eye of the beholder that decides what it is... We have more control over things than we know.

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