Correct Use of The Word Energy

Heisenberg

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I think you should study these modern findings on matter, atoms and energy, the people at the large Hadron Collider should be able to give you some insight... An interesting experiment was held there, scientist were trying to prove if atoms were an energy wave or a particle, the ones supporting the particle viewed the atom as a particle, and the ones supporting the energy wave viewed the atom as an energy wave, and they concluded that its eye of the beholder that decides what it is... We have more control over things than we know.

Are you speaking of the observer effect? The act of measuring something changes the thing being measured. Show me these experts who all agree this indicates consciousness as the mechanism. An observer doesn't have to be sentient. It can be something like a robot or sensor as well. Going by your implications, it would seem a mindless machine has as much 'control over things' as we do. Is that really saying much?
 

Corbat420

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Ahh, so when a ghost hunting psychic says a house has negative energy
no, that is just that individuals perception of said object, and the way the human mind/body work in conjunction to expel its energies onto the surrounding world (such as destroying things) would effect entropy....

Ghost hunter thinking there is some shit there = nothing, unless he/she does something to effect said object. Ghost hunter busting the house up = a Positive increase in Entropy.

Can you provide a link for the idea that space is made of Quantum? cn
http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/Timeless_Quantum_Universe_in_Dynamic_Equiilibrium_FQXI.pdf

Quantum gravity describes cosmic space as granular. Space is made out of quanta
of space QS volume of Planck
 

Heisenberg

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I proved what I needed to prove, everything is energy, its a widely accepted fact.
E=mc2 shows mass is equivalent to energy. It is not widely accepted from this that everything is energy. Is everything mass? Is everything volume? See how these questions do not ask anything meaningful? What color does Tuesday smell like? Saying everything is energy does not make enough sense to even be judged on correctness, which is why it is impossible to be a widely accepted fact. All systems involve computable quantities of energy, but nothing is made of energy.

The reason we are being careful about this point is that it undermines your claim that you can focus energy into your hands and make them tingle. What type of energy is this? What is it's source? What is the mechanism causing the reaction? As I have said before in this very thread, using the term energy in this sense may help you to convey and describe the occurrence, but it does nothing to add validity to the claim. Something may very well be happening in your hands, but the things we know about energy do nothing to explain it. Using physical descriptions of energy such as e=mc2 to back it up is really a non-sequitur. It's like trying to prove a girl is 'hot' by taking her temperature. Even if she has a fever of 104, doesn't do anything to prove she is attractive.
 

Corbat420

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Something may very well be happening in your hands, but the things we know about energy do nothing to explain it.
i just have to butt in here, as this is not correct.

The tingling feeling in the hands would be sent to the hands through the neurons of the body. those neurons function through electrical pathways. Electrical pathways supply regulated doses of electrons (electricity= flow of electrons, usually from - to +). the electrons being sent to his hands from his brain are a physical thing made of Up quarks and Down Quarks (elementary particles, made up of Quanta..).

The feeling in his hands is caused by energy and a reaction of +Entropy because of the electrons entering his hands....

P.S: Steven Hawking and the whole "Zero Energy Universe" group are theoretical physics, focusing on what COULD be there... not what IS there. Quantum Physicists focus on what IS there, and try to figure out just how far down the rabbit hole goes.....
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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And spirit is the source my friend, I know I probably lost you by saying that. But SURELY you dont need hard documented facts to tell you ghosts are real. A lot of physicists support that theres multiple universes with different rules (like gravity) and different energies, whos to say those mysterious energies are not present in this universe? I dont know if the spiritual world is a separate universe form us but surely there is a connection... Einstein said nothing is faster than the speed of light and that theory just got thrown out the window recently, things get out dated, those who try to prove the seemingly impossible were the ones not taken seriously for the longest time, knowledge gets out dated, kinda like this forum xD
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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i just have to butt in here, as this is not correct.

The tingling feeling in the hands would be sent to the hands through the neurons of the body. those neurons function through electrical pathways. Electrical pathways supply regulated doses of electrons (electricity= flow of electrons, usually from - to +). the electrons being sent to his hands from his brain are a physical thing made of Up quarks and Down Quarks (elementary particles, made up of Quanta..).

The feeling in his hands is caused by energy and a reaction of +Entropy because of the electrons entering his hands....

P.S: Steven Hawking and the whole "Zero Energy Universe" group are theoretical physics, focusing on what COULD be there... not what IS there. Quantum Physicists focus on what IS there, and try to figure out just how far down the rabbit hole goes.....
That kinda made me second guess me "spirit is the source" theory... lol
 

Heisenberg

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i just have to butt in here, as this is not correct.

The tingling feeling in the hands would be sent to the hands through the neurons of the body. those neurons function through electrical pathways. Electrical pathways supply regulated doses of electrons (electricity= flow of electrons, usually from - to +). the electrons being sent to his hands from his brain are a physical thing made of Up quarks and Down Quarks (elementary particles, made up of Quanta..).

The feeling in his hands is caused by energy and a reaction of +Entropy because of the electrons entering his hands....

P.S: Steven Hawking and the whole "Zero Energy Universe" group are theoretical physics, focusing on what COULD be there... not what IS there. Quantum Physicists focus on what IS there, and try to figure out just how far down the rabbit hole goes.....
Perhaps I misspoke. Does nothing to explain how the energy would be harnessed by consciousnesses, as he implied.
 

Corbat420

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spirit is the source my friend
Nope... gota back away from this one too....

When you eat food, and drink water your body breaks it up into various groups of useable chemicles, such as Amino acids, vitamines Ect... those chemicals are taken into your body through the lining of your stomach and dispersed to the proper places in your body. from there another chemical reaction happens (dependent on where, what chemical, goes) which allows your body to further process the energy which you have intaken. The energy is then useable to your body, and brain, where it can send out electrical signals.

But SURELY you dont need hard documented facts to tell you ghosts are real.
As for this. Many physicists realize they there are thing which happen in the moment, which can not be recorded and properly analyzed.... thats what physicists recognize.... A specific frequency (such as anything below 12Hz, or above 20,000Hz) at a high enough range can sause the air around a person to vibrate, giving them them a sense of "god", or "Spirit" but when analyzed it was shown that the neurological activity in the body caused the brain to over-react, jumping the total Brain mass used to 20+% in some cases. the normal human mind is running electrical signals through around 10% on the average, when it is increased that high it causes certain chemical reactions in the brain (such as adrenaline, ephedrine and heavily effecting the NAT>DAT systems). Basically, to counter the physical reaction going on around the individual, their body will go into a sort of shock where they are scared, but at peace at the same time.

a corona discharge can also explain many of the physical "ghosts", or "fairies" and even alien ships...

Does nothing to explain how the energy would be harnessed by consciousnesses
Fair enough my friend.... i was taking my time with him anyways.. i figure i need to ;)

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^ My Idol.... if you know the fringe, you will understand....
 

Zaehet Strife

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Are you speaking of the observer effect? The act of measuring something changes the thing being measured. Show me these experts who all agree this indicates consciousness as the mechanism. An observer doesn't have to be sentient. It can be something like a robot or sensor as well. Going by your implications, it would seem a mindless machine has as much 'control over things' as we do. Is that really saying much?
You are absolutely correct, unless humans figure out a way for machines to become conscious... the observer effect dude is talking about in this manner is flawed.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
no, that is just that individuals perception of said object, and the way the human mind/body work in conjunction to expel its energies onto the surrounding world (such as destroying things) would effect entropy....

Ghost hunter thinking there is some shit there = nothing, unless he/she does something to effect said object. Ghost hunter busting the house up = a Positive increase in Entropy.



http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/Timeless_Quantum_Universe_in_Dynamic_Equiilibrium_FQXI.pdf
Corbat, I gave reading that a good try. However the author appears to be presenting quantum space as his hypothesis, and I am amazed at the paucity of citations, and their appearance in lesser publications. Let's just say I am not convinced. I have heard of "quantum gravity" but not of experiments that establish it as more than an idea among ideas.

All that notwithstanding, my argument is unaffected by what the ultimate "particle" of energy is. Joules, eV and kWh are all useful, meaningful measures of energy in our macroscopic world. cn
 

tyler.durden

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And spirit is the source my friend, I know I probably lost you by saying that. But SURELY you dont need hard documented facts to tell you ghosts are real. A lot of physicists support that theres multiple universes with different rules (like gravity) and different energies, whos to say those mysterious energies are not present in this universe? I dont know if the spiritual world is a separate universe form us but surely there is a connection... Einstein said nothing is faster than the speed of light and that theory just got thrown out the window recently, things get out dated, those who try to prove the seemingly impossible were the ones not taken seriously for the longest time, knowledge gets out dated, kinda like this forum xD
Ghosts? Really? Einstein had a theory that was discredited? You wouldn't be referring to the faulty wires in the testing equipment:

http://phys.org/news/2012-02-faster-neutrinos-faulty-wiring.html

It's a good thing you brought these things up or some people may have taken your posts seriously. You should head over to the Technology/Science sub-forum, it may help keep you up do date on what's really going on...
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Nope... gota back away from this one too....

When you eat food, and drink water your body breaks it up into various groups of useable chemicles, such as Amino acids, vitamines Ect... those chemicals are taken into your body through the lining of your stomach and dispersed to the proper places in your body. from there another chemical reaction happens (dependent on where, what chemical, goes) which allows your body to further process the energy which you have intaken. The energy is then useable to your body, and brain, where it can send out electrical signals.



As for this. Many physicists realize they there are thing which happen in the moment, which can not be recorded and properly analyzed.... thats what physicists recognize.... A specific frequency (such as anything below 12Hz, or above 20,000Hz) at a high enough range can sause the air around a person to vibrate, giving them them a sense of "god", or "Spirit" but when analyzed it was shown that the neurological activity in the body caused the brain to over-react, jumping the total Brain mass used to 20+% in some cases. the normal human mind is running electrical signals through around 10% on the average, when it is increased that high it causes certain chemical reactions in the brain (such as adrenaline, ephedrine and heavily effecting the NAT>DAT systems). Basically, to counter the physical reaction going on around the individual, their body will go into a sort of shock where they are scared, but at peace at the same time.

a corona discharge can also explain many of the physical "ghosts", or "fairies" and even alien ships...



Fair enough my friend.... i was taking my time with him anyways.. i figure i need to ;)

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^ My Idol.... if you know the fringe, you will understand....
Yes, I said I second guessed my spirit is the source theory after reading what you said, Im assuming you didnt read it... And no matter how educated you sound you cant pass off ghosts as brain activity, these things cannot be rationally explained by science because we dont understand it... But like I said earlier, I aint convincing no body lol
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Ghosts? Really? Einstein had a theory that was discredited? You wouldn't be referring to the faulty wires in the testing equipment:

http://phys.org/news/2012-02-faster-neutrinos-faulty-wiring.html

It's a good thing you brought these things up or some people may have taken your posts seriously. You should head over to the Technology/Science sub-forum, it may help keep you up do date on what's really going on...
Thanks for sharing that, I guess it does kinda make sense though, theres a reason that the speed of light is encoded in the architectural design of the pyramid and not a faster speed... I find it funny that people are so quick to belittle those that believe in ghosts lol silly gooses... But perhaps we become what we believe, you'll rot in the ground only existing as a corpse and after a generation or two you wont even exist as a memory, while I continue on as a spirit... I'd be happy with that =)
 

Zaehet Strife

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When you are scared and your emotions arent kept under control, your mind has a way of imagining things that arent really there...
 

Corbat420

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after a generation or two you wont even exist as a memory
I'm going to be mummified.

i'll get the team togerther when im starting to die, and pay them whatever i can to do the job.

then, my body will be cast into clear Polyurethane and stored in a vault made like the vaticans storage vaults for ancient materials, only it will be completely sealed and filled with N3 gas. that should keep my body stored for 120,000+ years if exposed, and millions if burried.

im going to be around for a while to haunt the bastards ;)
 

ginjawarrior

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Thanks for sharing that, I guess it does kinda make sense though, theres a reason that the speed of light is encoded in the architectural design of the pyramid and not a faster speed... I find it funny that people are so quick to belittle those that believe in ghosts lol silly gooses... But perhaps we become what we believe, you'll rot in the ground only existing as a corpse and after a generation or two you wont even exist as a memory, while I continue on as a spirit... I'd be happy with that =)
the speed of light has got nothing to do with the frigging pyramids where on earth do you find this stuff?
 
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