Concealed-weapon owner shoots hatchet-wielding attacker in Wash. 7-Eleven

ClaytonBigsby · Mar 15, 2016

Fogdog said:
The average person who owns a gun is less safe to himself and his loved ones than if he didn't own a gun. The number of times a "good guy with a gun" uses it to defend is a fraction of the times the gun kills or injures a loved one by criminal intent by the owner or by an accident within the family. You might as well be reporting on the winner of a state lottery, its that unlikely.

The percentage of people who have a concealed carry license is only about 10%, or less, of the population in states that even allow it. Many times, those people do not carry every day. I don’t. So the odds of one of them being in the right place at the right time is greatly reduced. Look at the police. They get paid to drive around all day and try to fight crime. How often are they actually there to stop a crime in progress? They are usually called to come clean up the mess. Too late.

I also argue that most people who carry, are the types of people who are paying attention and try to not put themselves in a bad situation.

Where do criminals attack? Convenience stores, restaurants, schools, dark alleys. Places where people are usually prohibited from having a gun. How many times do you hear of a pawn shop or gun store being robbed? Pretty RARE, WHY? Because criminals know even if they get the jump, the odds are high that they will be shot themselves.

testiclees · Mar 15, 2016

ClaytonBigsby said:
It's part of my charm. Try me.

What's your position on guns?

I grew up hunting. I enjoy shooting combat pistols. I live in an urban place where carry permits are common. I respect and enjoy firearms. I learned to shoot with the NRA firearm safety training. Today, the NRA is a cancer.

I support tougher regulations to at least symbolize the beginning of an effort to redefine "gun rights".

ClaytonBigsby · Mar 15, 2016

I am all for more regulation. There are a lot of idiots out there with guns. The woman who was recently shot by her 4 year old from the back seat should never be allowed to have a gun again.

I would even be for not allowing anyone to open carry. Those idiots who walk around residential neighborhoods with ARs in a sling should be taken away in a police car.

I am violently opposed to bans on guns, or my right to carry to protect myself.

I have never been an NRA member so I have no idea what they are up to but if it's endorsing Cruz's making bacon video, I'd say they have definitely jumped the shark.

UncleBuck · Mar 15, 2016

ClaytonBigsby said:
Grew up here

View attachment 3632612 Thinks guns are bad and nobody should have them

Grew up here

Wants a gun to defend themselves from the guys with guns who will hurt others for $1.73.... or just for fun

yep. you're just a scared little racist coward.

what is it with pants-pissing racist cowards and gun-love?

UncleBuck · Mar 15, 2016

ClaytonBigsby said:
All I want is a chance to defend myself. A chance. Is that too much to ask?

did they take away the second amendment?

calm down.

you can still have a gun so you can protect yourself from those scary black people, clayton.

UncleBuck · Mar 15, 2016

also, since this thread was started, there have been 98 deaths by firearm in the united states alone.

Fogdog · Mar 15, 2016

ClaytonBigsby said:
I agree that people should have to have some type of safety class before being allowed to have a gun. I have ZERO problem with that. Cops have lots of training and they accidentally shoot people and themselves all the time. The average person is a MOron. So half are more dumb than that.

These are crime stats from the FBI. They do not include the many UNREPORTED crimes.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...ement_by_state_alabama_through_california.xls

Your odds of being in a violent attack are too high for my liking.

All I want is a chance to defend myself. A chance. Is that too much to ask?

Its not only a reasonable thing to want to own a gun but its your right to own and carry within legal limits. Keep it safe. To ensure people like me don't get involved with more stringent gun control, give a piece of your mind to people that don't observe even NRA safety guidelines. If that bitch in Florida hadn't broken three rules, she wouldn't have gotten shot. Just saying, I'll be rational if gun owners will be too.

ClaytonBigsby · Mar 15, 2016

UncleBuck said:
yep. you're just a scared little racist coward.

lol

bearkat42 · Mar 16, 2016

ClaytonBigsby said:
lol

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How is it that so many people struggle with the definitions of the words "racism" and "racist"?

Rob Roy · Mar 16, 2016

bearkat42 said:
Come on man.

I detect disagreement and am curious why ?

Rob Roy · Mar 16, 2016

testiclees said:
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More Untruth About Donald Trump. Stefan Molyneux. =Another spineless racist imbecile

Like maggots to shit you racist weasels are relentlessy seeking your pestilent champions

Stefan Molyneux: "If you don't have a husband, to keep the child is abusive."

Your maligning of the person, does nothing to refute the quote of his regarding guns. Fail.

bearkat42 · Mar 16, 2016

Rob Roy said:
I detect disagreement and am curious why ?

You know exactly why. It was the ridiculous example that you provided.

Uncle Ben · Mar 16, 2016

ClaytonBigsby said:
We need to make cars illegal and take them away. Then we should be able to sue the manufacturers

I bet many here don't have such mobile weapons of choice. They're too lazy to work for one.

Uncle Ben · Mar 16, 2016

testiclees said:
I grew up hunting. I enjoy shooting combat pistols. I live in an urban place where carry permits are common. I respect and enjoy firearms. I learned to shoot with the NRA firearm safety training. Today, the NRA is a cancer.

I support tougher regulations to at least symbolize the beginning of an effort to redefine "gun rights".

You also talk out both sides of your twisted mouth. Quite a rhetorical chameleon.

Groups like the NRA, AMAC, conservatives are this country's only hope. It's gone to hell in a hand basket thanks to liberals. Time to take it back which is why many democrats are jumping ship and going to vote for Trump. He represents the anger folks feel and the change folks are looking for.

Rob Roy · Mar 16, 2016

bearkat42 said:
You know exactly why. It was the ridiculous example that you provided.

I suspected that was it.

So you think some people should have more rights than others due to their government affiliation ?

Rob Roy · Mar 16, 2016

Fogdog said:
Its not only a reasonable thing to want to own a gun but its your right to own and carry within legal limits. Keep it safe. To ensure people like me don't get involved with more stringent gun control, give a piece of your mind to people that don't observe even NRA safety guidelines. If that bitch in Florida hadn't broken three rules, she wouldn't have gotten shot. Just saying, I'll be rational if gun owners will be too.

So you favor disarming irresponsible users of force?

That's great, will you begin with the actors within coercion based governemnts or does your cognitive dissonance prevent you from entertaining that logical extension?

Rob Roy · Mar 16, 2016

UncleBuck said:
also, since this thread was started, there have been 98 deaths by firearm in the united states alone.

It is estimated that between 42,000 and 142,000 people die from cholera annually.

Please, for the children, use better aim.

bearkat42 · Mar 16, 2016

Rob Roy said:
I suspected that was it.

So you think some people should have more rights than others due to their government affiliation ?

Some people, no. POTUS, yes. The nature of the position requires it.

Rob Roy · Mar 16, 2016

bearkat42 said:
Some people, no. POTUS, yes.

Rob Roy · Mar 17, 2016

testiclees said:
I grew up hunting. I enjoy shooting combat pistols. I live in an urban place where carry permits are common. I respect and enjoy firearms. I learned to shoot with the NRA firearm safety training. Today, the NRA is a cancer.

I support tougher regulations to at least symbolize the beginning of an effort to redefine "gun rights".

Under what you are suggesting, the redefinition would be changing the meaning of "gun rights" to "gun privileges" .

A right and a government granted privilege are two different things.

"Pot legalization" is proceeding in much the same way. Taxed and regulated is much different than simply decriminalized and government staying the fuck out of it.

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