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vdubb808

vdubb808

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ZEN MASTER said:
i only do drain to waste, but there are slabs of coco that are like rockwool slabs, coco chunks, etc. Just google "how to use coco in recirculating systems". Im sure alot will come up. Me personally i made a manifold to feed mine .


Peace!!!
-zen-
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This is what I was thinking of, LMK if this is even thinkable and all the reasons why I shouldn't do it this way.

I'm thinking of using the ebb & grow set-up using coco as the medium. I was thinking of putting the coco into smart pots and putting that into the buckets. I'm just not sure if this is wise. I'm sure there is a reason why coco is mostly drain to waste. So why would this not work ? The smart pots would be to keep the coco from leaving the bucket. Would it hurt the plant if it was watered to much ? The reason why I want to use the ebb & grow is because I want to keep each plant in it's own pot and the automation feeding. What could go wrong with this set-up using coco ?

Thanks for the feedback ZEN.
 
odlaw

odlaw

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vdubb808 said:
I got a question ? Does coco have to be used only as a drain to waste type of feeding. Or could it be used with an ebb & flow type of feeding ?

I'm wondering because I want to minimize the work and time I spend in feeding my plants and feeding each individual plant takes up time. So i'm looking for a way to feed all plants at once. I'm looking for ideas or systems that anyone uses that will decrease my time spent on each plant and keep productivity the same or better.
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i have my coco coir set up on a self watering recycling system
i just put a layer of thin dishwash type material (called chux in australia) across the bottom of my pot the hydro store recommended it i was gunna buy a bag of clay balls for the job figured hes losing a sale telling me this so maybe it does work and well i havent had any probs with blockages coir getting in to the res etc..
u can check out my grow by just clickin my sig
keep in mind though this is my first grow and i am still learning but this set up has worked for me
hope this helps gl man
 
odlaw

odlaw

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heres a couple pics i started flushing her
she could have gone longer but trichs are cloudy with a few ambers and circumstances wont allow it

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nas2007

nas2007

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vdubb808 said:
So how could I automate my feedings and type of system would be best ?
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hey mate ill point you in the right directions and you can take it from there, i have a friend on here who uses Autopot system with canna coco, and is ver happy with the results. ill give you a link to his grow journals using canna coco and all they nutes with the Autopot system, and you can cantact him , im sure he will be most happy to help you, well here are his links to the journals where he used the autopots

https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/blog1984-joint-doctors-diesel-ryder-grow.html

https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/blog786-lowryder-2-grow-journal-canna.html

https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/blog870-nirvana-blue-mystic-feminized-grown.html

https://www.rollitup.org/members/edsthreads-5453.html
 
kpac

kpac

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It's the best of both soil and hydro! You can use it either like soil or like hydro. So what you can do with it is unknown. Almost limitless.

You can even use it like a mix of both. Come up with systems to whatever. Or use it simple.
 
jberry

jberry

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GibbsIt89 said:
what is so different about coco as apose to the other stuff, why do ppl choose it
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It has all the benifits of hydroponics but it also has one of the main benfits of soil, which is it's ability to support colonies of soil microbes... most hydroponic methods cannot do a very good job of that so far.
It also contains natural fungi that help prevent disease and harmful pathogens and i believe the fungi even activate the plants S.A.R. response. Coco also releases humic and other beneficial organic acids as it breaks down. It holds more air then a lot of other mediums even when it is wet and it is also one of the most re-usable mediums there is. When done properly it can be recycled for 8 months to 1 year without much issues, and some use it longer.

-but you will need to use hydroponic nutrients when growing in coco... not soil nutrients.

-J
 
LesterBurnum

LesterBurnum

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So has anyone ran the Botanicare CNS 17 line? I have been thinking about trying this line and wanted to ask if anyone else has. Specifically compared to the canna line? I know that cost wise the Botanicare is better but I am concerned with quality of plants and harvest. I know when I ran aero that I used Botanicare and they were great. I had some left when I started coco and didn't get the best of plants so switched to canna and what a difference. BUT.........the line I was using was for hydro and not coco specific.
So given those parameters, has anyone ran a side by side or one compared to the other at different times?
Hope everyone is well and lates!
 
jberry

jberry

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I got a 3-part box set of Botanicare for free at this years indoor garden expo in s.f. and it had the grow & bloom CNS-17...-so far i have only checked out the Ripe and the Pure Blend Compost Solution but i can see from the label that there is some micros missing or not listed in both the grow and bloom formulas (very common with many companies including Canna)... I can assume that there is prolly some of the missing micros in the Pure Blend, but since none are listed on the label it is hard to say what you're actually feeding your plants and paying for. The ripe would likely be fine without adding more micros as long as you added micros to the grow and transitional stage.

The grow & bloom CNS-17 areboth pretty low in calcium (calcium has to be low in one-part nutrients to avoid chemical reaction) and the grow has npk ratios that arent really preferred for coco grows... you usually want something lower in (K) because the coco is naturally rich in (K) already. The ripe seems decent for a one part nute and uses one of the more expensive and higher quality (P) salts that a lot of other companies dont use (likely because of its higher price). They have humic acids and Silica which is nice but i prefer adding my own seperatly.. I dont use one part nutes because they never are strong enough or contain enough calcium for coco grows.

Usually any nutrient claiming to be good for hydro and soil is not so great for hydro... there are a few exceptions but i would recommend a formula designed for hydro with low (K) and higher Calcium.

A lot of "Coco" formulations are not formulated correctly for coco... many have super high K and other ratio issues that i dont understand.
 
ZEN MASTER

ZEN MASTER

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jberry said:
I got a 3-part box set of Botanicare for free at this years indoor garden expo in s.f. and it had the grow & bloom CNS-17...-so far i have only checked out the Ripe and the Pure Blend Compost Solution but i can see from the label that there is some micros missing or not listed in both the grow and bloom formulas (very common with many companies including Canna)... I can assume that there is prolly some of the missing micros in the Pure Blend, but since none are listed on the label it is hard to say what you're actually feeding your plants and paying for. The ripe would likely be fine without adding more micros as long as you added micros to the grow and transitional stage.

The grow & bloom CNS-17 areboth pretty low in calcium (calcium has to be low in one-part nutrients to avoid chemical reaction) and the grow has npk ratios that arent really preferred for coco grows... you usually want something lower in (K) because the coco is naturally rich in (K) already. The ripe seems decent for a one part nute and uses one of the more expensive and higher quality (P) salts that a lot of other companies dont use (likely because of its higher price). They have humic acids and Silica which is nice but i prefer adding my own seperatly.. I dont use one part nutes because they never are strong enough or contain enough calcium for coco grows.

Usually any nutrient claiming to be good for hydro and soil is not so great for hydro... there are a few exceptions but i would recommend a formula designed for hydro with low (K) and higher Calcium.

A lot of "Coco" formulations are not formulated correctly for coco... many have super high K and other ratio issues that i dont understand.
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hey Jberry whats going on. wanted to get your opinion on Canna A-B, Cannayzm, Rhizotonic versus House&Garden A-B, multizen, and Roots Excelurator.
reason being is i'm wanting to try H&G, also i'll be using them in addition to BloomBastic. which i have found to be a very good product in my opinion. but with that being said Atami states that you use it with your base, which is the A-B. now they also state that it is compatible with other additives as long as they are not high in "P" or"K". now my question in regards to that is out of the Bud XL, Top Booster, and Shooting Powder, which ones would be considered high in "P" and "K". i have a feeling that the Top Booster is a no, no though. but can you help me on the rest. thanks man.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
 
jberry

jberry

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well i have used the H&G Cocos A/B and didnt think it was as good as canna a/b, but i do think that H&G makes good products and their additives seem to work very well but they are pretty pricey. Out of everything you listed i would personally go with canna coco a/b, H&G Roots Exl., and if your using bloombastic then you dont need anything else imo... it is already a pretty strong PK product (0-20-21 I believe) and they claim it also a enzyme product so you really shouldnt need cannazym or multi zen. You could use Bud XL because it has a very low NPK and wont really raise your EC much.. but you may want to ask atami if they think you should use BudXL with bloombastic... then ask H&G if you should use budXL it with atami bloombastic. I'm sure you will get 2 different stories or a "im not sure". lol.
I'm confident that Bud XL is safe to use with bloombastic but im not sure if its worth the doe but its worth a side by side... the key to bud xl is using it at the right time if i remeber correctly because it triggers enzymes within the plant that tell it to use energy flowering and not growing elswhere... I havnt used H&G in a long time so u may want to verify how it works with H&G or maybe raiderfan420 guy knows if you know him.
peace, -J
 
ZEN MASTER

ZEN MASTER

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jberry said:
well i have used the H&G Cocos A/B and didnt think it was as good as canna a/b, but i do think that H&G makes good products and their additives seem to work very well but they are pretty pricey. Out of everything you listed i would personally go with canna coco a/b, H&G Roots Exl., and if your using bloombastic then you dont need anything else imo... it is already a pretty strong PK product (0-20-21 I believe) and they claim it also a enzyme product so you really shouldnt need cannazym or multi zen. You could use Bud XL because it has a very low NPK and wont really raise your EC much.. but you may want to ask atami if they think you should use BudXL with bloombastic... then ask H&G if you should use budXL it with atami bloombastic. I'm sure you will get 2 different stories or a "im not sure". lol.
I'm confident that Bud XL is safe to use with bloombastic but im not sure if its worth the doe but its worth a side by side... the key to bud xl is using it at the right time if i remeber correctly because it triggers enzymes within the plant that tell it to use energy flowering and not growing elswhere... I havnt used H&G in a long time so u may want to verify how it works with H&G or maybe raiderfan420 guy knows if you know him.
peace, -J
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ok, ok. well what ill do is try the H&G A-B, in the south its kinda the other way around on the prices though, for the most part. but for what i need, it works. for ex. the 5L Canna A&B cost $110 +tax. the 5L H&G A-B cost me $80. now the RootsXL 250ml($70) is more than the Rhizo-$28, but i can get like 70-75 feedings with. way, way more than the Rhizo will get me. so tha kinda works itself out. so i'll see whic A&B is better. but yea i think i might just forget about the Bud XL, and just use the Cannazym when im rinsing coco im about to re-use. if i remember correctly you said 18ml to every ten liters. it was a while ago so im not sure, but thanks so much for the reply and the info.


PEACE!!!
-ZEN-
 
odlaw

odlaw

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ok guys pulled my baby heres a couple pics of her hanging up
400w coco peat grow
weighed in at 1879 wet on a set of diet kitchen scales
that seems alot to me
so im wondering if the scales are out or im just a newb on his first grow and those numbers could be right lol

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t0rn

t0rn

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odlaw

odlaw

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t0rn said:
Looking great man~

Your scales are fine, it will lose about 75% weight through the drying and curing process.
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kewl cheers man
so at a rough estimate im guessing i will probly end up with around 10 ounces dried n cured
thats alot more than i was expecting :)) especially being my first grow and just one plant
 
mr west

mr west

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there is an quasion ive found. Times the amount of wet weed by .22 to get dry weight there or there abouts lol
 
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djburns1

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hey all, when taking clones from a mother in coco should I soak my cubes in ph'd water or add a weak solution of A & B & rhizo and foliar feed the same?
 
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