Coco Growers Unite!
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nas2007
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hey JB hows it going buddy
just tought ill ask this, i flush'd my baby 4 days ago and i had to water her again as coco was drying out, so i watterd her with plain water till i got a good run off and the run off water was yellow , like it used to be when i get run off with nutes water, is that normal?i alwais waterd her with a good run of and with the hole range of canna nutes only
well this is how i flushed her, she is in a 15L pot so i got 45L of water left over night, ph'd to 6.5, i waterd the hole 45L of watter tuk me about 15mins, did it in the bath. and now 4 days later i waterd her again with plain water a d the run off water was yellow is it normal
just tought ill ask this, i flush'd my baby 4 days ago and i had to water her again as coco was drying out, so i watterd her with plain water till i got a good run off and the run off water was yellow , like it used to be when i get run off with nutes water, is that normal?i alwais waterd her with a good run of and with the hole range of canna nutes only
well this is how i flushed her, she is in a 15L pot so i got 45L of water left over night, ph'd to 6.5, i waterd the hole 45L of watter tuk me about 15mins, did it in the bath. and now 4 days later i waterd her again with plain water a d the run off water was yellow is it normal
bushybush
New Member
Hey guys! I want to start off by thanking the helpful people on here. I have had many wonderful harvests using some advice from this forum. Anyways, I am making the jump from soil to coco for several reasons. My main question is this: I use botanicare nutes (pro grow/bloom, liquid karma and cal/mag). I love this line of nutrients. From what I understand (and read on the label), they can be used in coco gardens as well. I am going to use canna coco in place of the roots organic soil I usually use. Can I use my same setup and switch seamlessly, or am I missing something big here? Any help is GREATLY appreciated. THANKS!
k3nz1387
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hey guys some very good info about growing in coco. took me days to read the whole 189 pages. anyway im trying my first ever coco grow in autopots and im going to veg for 6-7 weeks. anybody got any tips for using autopots with coco?? iv also got the airdomes in each pot to get even more air to the roots.
nas2007
Well-Known Member
here is a full thred on the autopot
The Joint Doctor's Diesel Ryder Grow Guide Using Canna Coco & Autopots
hope this helps
Snow Crash
Well-Known Member
Hello Fellow Coconauts!
I am just now ending the first week of flowering, and this is usually the time when I have issues with my grow. I can handle Veg just fine, but there is something about flowering in coco that has been tough to nail down when growing several strains. As a result of the different strains I grow I have accumulated quite a few different nutrients. Dialing in the right level is completely possible given the shelf of stuff I have.
Here are the statistics:
I'm growing 10 different strains: An indica dominant homemade strain, a 50/50 homemade strain, Cronic, Sensi Star, Sour Kush, Sour Cream, Wappa, Warlock, Motavation, and Ice. They are in 3 gallon SmartPots with Canna Coco which was amended with Humboldt Nutrients Myco Maximum (Micro Organisms and some humic). The bottom of each planter contains a 1 inch layer of GrowStones (resemble lava rocks but they're made from recycled plastic). This aids in draining the planter and keeping the base from becoming soggy.
My tap water is very clean, and soft, 59ppm and 7.4 pH every time I test it. I allow it to rest for at least 24 hours. I have two 18 gallon plastic tubs, 1 5 gallon Homer bucket, and two 5 gallon drinking water jugs I use to store my water. At any one time I have around 40 gallons of water on hand. Each watering, at this point, takes around 17 gallons of solution to get adequate run off.
Temperature ranges from 60 on the very low to 78 on the very high. Most of the time it is between 68 lights off and 76 lights on. Humidity has been between 45% and 55% recently, and was lower a few weeks ago (30% to 40%). I don't have much control over humidity at the moment but I think it is cool.
I use a Hanna GroChek Combo pH/uM/ppm meter. I always pH balance to exactly 5.8, I am using TechnaFlora Nitric Acid pH- down.
My most recent feeding was at 325ppm and included:
Canna Coco A @2ml/gallon
Canna Coco B @2ml/gallon
Canna Rhizotonic @2ml/gallon
Botanicare Cal-Mag Plus @1ml/gallon
Humboldt Nutrients SeaMag @2ml/gallon
I collected and tested the run off from all the plants to establish a base line. The average run off was about 1350ppm with the high of 1750ppm and a low of 1000ppm. The run off really just tells me how hungry a plant has been and what environment I have it chilling in. I know it isn't an accurate description of the actual ppm in the media but I can compare my levels to previous run off from other grows with over feeding and learn a lot. My heaviest feeders are usually around 1,500ppm in the run off. My light feeders need it closer to 700ppm. So this tells me I have about 80% of the zone I should be aiming for, which is exactly how I've been feeding and what I wanted the whole time.
As I was feeding I noticed that a few plants, namely those closest to the light, were displaying an issue I battle every grow. A combination of Potassium deficiency, Magnesium deficiency, and what could be nutrient burn. The edges of leaves are curling, the area between veins is bleaching, and it looks a little like heat issues. Since the only leaves affected are those closest to the light, on the plants that are closest to the light, and the plants are within 1 foot of the 1000w Eye Sunlux HPS I expect the issue to be with the proximity to the light and the burning up of chlorophyll.
Here are the sicker plants:
The other plants are doing fine more or less. Some have had a variety of past issues, mostly related to underfeeding and a calcium deficiency prior to incorporating Cal-Mag Plus. Some tips are a little crisped from a previous strong feeding too. Looking at new growth, and previous problems, I can safely and fairly say that at these ppm levels all the plants are doing great now but could be on the brink of something bad.
Right before lights out tonight I foliar fed with a combination of SeaMag and Liquid Karma (with a touch of soap surfactant) to battle the deficiency in the leaves while I can. I figure if I can get the Magnesium and Potassium right where the plant needs it this could help slow the issue and allow me time to dial things in. I focused on the sicker plants but made a point to hit all of them with at least a spritz. The flowers are all very small at this point and I did what I could to keep them from getting sprayed. I figured this would be my last chance to foliar feed, I'd never tried it before, and I'm desperate for a nutritional solution to the problem given the balanced nutrition present in the media.
I plan on the next feeding being on either Sunday or Monday next week. Monday will mark the 14th day from switching to 12/12, and the beginning of what I consider to be the first "real week of flowering."
The plan is to feed with a <800ppm, ~1.4EC, solution containing (per gallon).
Canna Coco A @7ml
Canna Coco B @7ml
Canna Rhizotonic @5ml
Botanicare Cal-Mag Plus @2ml (to offset water softness)
Humboldt Nutrients SeaMag @2ml (to offset water softness and increase the magnesium supply)
Botanicare Liquid Karma @10ml
DynaGro Pro-Tekt @2ml (for the silicon)
Advanced Nutrients Nirvana Bloom enhancer @3ml (basically just an organic tea concentrate, don't bash it)
General Hydroponics Liquid Kool Bloom @1ml (for the PK increase, also includes some Mg)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bunch of different stuff, but I know what the ppm's are of each nutrient (within reason) and have it all in a pretty good ratio.
I have been using Canna for a while now. The issue I find with it is that it doesn't contain enough Magnesium, and seems to lack that late PK boost plants need in flowering. Hence their own (expensive) supplements. I'm using the Liquid Karma, Nirvana, and KoolBloom like a Canna Boost replacement. The Silicon is great stuff. The Cal-Mag and SeaMag help get the Mg ratio in a better place, at a 3:1 with Calcium rather than 4:1 or worse thanks to the 59ppm in the tap water. The extra Iron in the Cal-Mag Plus helps out, and the potassium and phosphorus in the Sea Mag make it a very balanced additive.
Of the 750ppm's or so, about 450 of that is the Canna Coco nutrients. The extra 300ppm is intended to balance out the cal-mag-potassium issues I see during bloom. I make sure to get a bunch of run off to ensure I wash out residual salts, especially sodium, and to keep the media close to the level I'm giving it.
Up to this point I've been doing all kinds of shit. Different nutrient mixes come and go. Topped the plants, wound up with a bunch of extra females. Check out my journal for more.
Here are the pictures. Any advice is appreciated. I'd really like for this grow to go better than anything else I've done and am hoping the community will help me out.
The solution I'll be applying tomorrow is dropping my tables to get the plants further than 12 inches from the light (at the closest). Right now some leaves are as close as 8 inches from the glass and those seem to be the only ones bitching much. I'd love to avoid flushing... For the record this is a personal use medical grow for two people. I have the maximum number of plants allowed for myself and the person I live with... it was terrible having to toss good plants for the sake of legality. I will not be selling any of this, it's all going into jars for the summer time when I switch to a long outdoor soil grow.
I am just now ending the first week of flowering, and this is usually the time when I have issues with my grow. I can handle Veg just fine, but there is something about flowering in coco that has been tough to nail down when growing several strains. As a result of the different strains I grow I have accumulated quite a few different nutrients. Dialing in the right level is completely possible given the shelf of stuff I have.
Here are the statistics:
I'm growing 10 different strains: An indica dominant homemade strain, a 50/50 homemade strain, Cronic, Sensi Star, Sour Kush, Sour Cream, Wappa, Warlock, Motavation, and Ice. They are in 3 gallon SmartPots with Canna Coco which was amended with Humboldt Nutrients Myco Maximum (Micro Organisms and some humic). The bottom of each planter contains a 1 inch layer of GrowStones (resemble lava rocks but they're made from recycled plastic). This aids in draining the planter and keeping the base from becoming soggy.
My tap water is very clean, and soft, 59ppm and 7.4 pH every time I test it. I allow it to rest for at least 24 hours. I have two 18 gallon plastic tubs, 1 5 gallon Homer bucket, and two 5 gallon drinking water jugs I use to store my water. At any one time I have around 40 gallons of water on hand. Each watering, at this point, takes around 17 gallons of solution to get adequate run off.
Temperature ranges from 60 on the very low to 78 on the very high. Most of the time it is between 68 lights off and 76 lights on. Humidity has been between 45% and 55% recently, and was lower a few weeks ago (30% to 40%). I don't have much control over humidity at the moment but I think it is cool.
I use a Hanna GroChek Combo pH/uM/ppm meter. I always pH balance to exactly 5.8, I am using TechnaFlora Nitric Acid pH- down.
My most recent feeding was at 325ppm and included:
Canna Coco A @2ml/gallon
Canna Coco B @2ml/gallon
Canna Rhizotonic @2ml/gallon
Botanicare Cal-Mag Plus @1ml/gallon
Humboldt Nutrients SeaMag @2ml/gallon
I collected and tested the run off from all the plants to establish a base line. The average run off was about 1350ppm with the high of 1750ppm and a low of 1000ppm. The run off really just tells me how hungry a plant has been and what environment I have it chilling in. I know it isn't an accurate description of the actual ppm in the media but I can compare my levels to previous run off from other grows with over feeding and learn a lot. My heaviest feeders are usually around 1,500ppm in the run off. My light feeders need it closer to 700ppm. So this tells me I have about 80% of the zone I should be aiming for, which is exactly how I've been feeding and what I wanted the whole time.
As I was feeding I noticed that a few plants, namely those closest to the light, were displaying an issue I battle every grow. A combination of Potassium deficiency, Magnesium deficiency, and what could be nutrient burn. The edges of leaves are curling, the area between veins is bleaching, and it looks a little like heat issues. Since the only leaves affected are those closest to the light, on the plants that are closest to the light, and the plants are within 1 foot of the 1000w Eye Sunlux HPS I expect the issue to be with the proximity to the light and the burning up of chlorophyll.
Here are the sicker plants:
The other plants are doing fine more or less. Some have had a variety of past issues, mostly related to underfeeding and a calcium deficiency prior to incorporating Cal-Mag Plus. Some tips are a little crisped from a previous strong feeding too. Looking at new growth, and previous problems, I can safely and fairly say that at these ppm levels all the plants are doing great now but could be on the brink of something bad.
Right before lights out tonight I foliar fed with a combination of SeaMag and Liquid Karma (with a touch of soap surfactant) to battle the deficiency in the leaves while I can. I figure if I can get the Magnesium and Potassium right where the plant needs it this could help slow the issue and allow me time to dial things in. I focused on the sicker plants but made a point to hit all of them with at least a spritz. The flowers are all very small at this point and I did what I could to keep them from getting sprayed. I figured this would be my last chance to foliar feed, I'd never tried it before, and I'm desperate for a nutritional solution to the problem given the balanced nutrition present in the media.
I plan on the next feeding being on either Sunday or Monday next week. Monday will mark the 14th day from switching to 12/12, and the beginning of what I consider to be the first "real week of flowering."
The plan is to feed with a <800ppm, ~1.4EC, solution containing (per gallon).
Canna Coco A @7ml
Canna Coco B @7ml
Canna Rhizotonic @5ml
Botanicare Cal-Mag Plus @2ml (to offset water softness)
Humboldt Nutrients SeaMag @2ml (to offset water softness and increase the magnesium supply)
Botanicare Liquid Karma @10ml
DynaGro Pro-Tekt @2ml (for the silicon)
Advanced Nutrients Nirvana Bloom enhancer @3ml (basically just an organic tea concentrate, don't bash it)
General Hydroponics Liquid Kool Bloom @1ml (for the PK increase, also includes some Mg)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bunch of different stuff, but I know what the ppm's are of each nutrient (within reason) and have it all in a pretty good ratio.
I have been using Canna for a while now. The issue I find with it is that it doesn't contain enough Magnesium, and seems to lack that late PK boost plants need in flowering. Hence their own (expensive) supplements. I'm using the Liquid Karma, Nirvana, and KoolBloom like a Canna Boost replacement. The Silicon is great stuff. The Cal-Mag and SeaMag help get the Mg ratio in a better place, at a 3:1 with Calcium rather than 4:1 or worse thanks to the 59ppm in the tap water. The extra Iron in the Cal-Mag Plus helps out, and the potassium and phosphorus in the Sea Mag make it a very balanced additive.
Of the 750ppm's or so, about 450 of that is the Canna Coco nutrients. The extra 300ppm is intended to balance out the cal-mag-potassium issues I see during bloom. I make sure to get a bunch of run off to ensure I wash out residual salts, especially sodium, and to keep the media close to the level I'm giving it.
Up to this point I've been doing all kinds of shit. Different nutrient mixes come and go. Topped the plants, wound up with a bunch of extra females. Check out my journal for more.
Here are the pictures. Any advice is appreciated. I'd really like for this grow to go better than anything else I've done and am hoping the community will help me out.
The solution I'll be applying tomorrow is dropping my tables to get the plants further than 12 inches from the light (at the closest). Right now some leaves are as close as 8 inches from the glass and those seem to be the only ones bitching much. I'd love to avoid flushing... For the record this is a personal use medical grow for two people. I have the maximum number of plants allowed for myself and the person I live with... it was terrible having to toss good plants for the sake of legality. I will not be selling any of this, it's all going into jars for the summer time when I switch to a long outdoor soil grow.
Ive read somewhere that pple use cal mag the first couple of weeks to sort out nute issues the first couple of weeks of flower now im no expert first time useing coco actually i ve used the cal mag one time and im at 3 weeks flowering under a 600 watt hps i do have a bit of a different feeding schedule tho i use the fox farm tiger bloom and sugar daddy so bacially i'll feed they heavy 1 gal containers clones of nl and papaya so i feed with nutes and than the next two feedings i feed with straight water no nutes added and they look great and are budding up very nicely normally can go 3 days between feedings
Snow Crash
Well-Known Member
Could you include some punctuation there? That was tough to read.
I have a bottle of Tiger Bloom and was considering running this to assist the dismal Phosphate levels in my system.
The only bottles of nutrients I have with more Phosphate than other nutrients is Tiger Bloom and Earth Juice Bloom. I don't plan on using them but I could.
I also have some Sensi Bloom A+B and some Grow Big. That's pretty much all my Macro nutrients I own.
I also have some Organicare Huvega, Calplex, and Humega, Humboldt nutrients FlavorFul, Earth Juice Catalyst, Advanced Nutrient Big Bud, Canna PK 13/14, Emerald Triangle Gravity, and probably some other shit I'm forgetting. I'm not using any of that now though.
What are the ppm levels or EC that people are running?
My ratios, more or less, are 3.5-2-4 with 2.5 Ca and 1 Mg. There's some excess PPM's in the mix, and there's a percentage of micro-elements like sulfur or sodium that I can only guess at... but yeah...
3.5-2-4 NPK
2.5/1 Ca/Mg
Those are the ratios in about 750ppm of total strength solution of which I can account for about 500ppms, the other 250ppm are the "mystery" micro-elements and unlisted stuff in my nutes.
If a very experienced and successful grower thinks I need to drop that level, or alter my ratios, let me know before Monday. That'd REALLY help me out down the line. I can't seem to get this stuff dialed in based on all the information I've gathered from other people. For some reason, the way they do it hasn't worked for me, so now I'm trying it out my way.
Only 3 plants are acting eggy, and it might just be the lighting, but I gotta make sure and I know someone here has the expertise required to assist me on this.
Snow Crash
Well-Known Member
I'm thinking about switching to be honest. In veg I get great looking plants, but the system does need Cal-Mag Plus. Rhizotonic is worth the money and it makes a difference too during veg.
Flowering is the problem for me personally. I have had a tendency to over feed and have only had one grow where I finally got it figured out. Prior to this I was growing in soil with success. I see a few grows on Botanicare PBP and those almost all go well. FloraNova seems like it'd be good stuff too. I might just go back to a soil/coco mix and go back to organics. I haven't quite decided...
If I can get a plant dialed in (have clones) then I can repeat my system and finally prove I can do, rather than teach. This coco has me twisted and I'm humbly asking for a little support in this transitional stage. I'll do what it takes to succeed, barring more nutrients added to the shelf
It may not be just a flowering thing. It's more like a 10 week window for me. Clone to flower in coco is great! 10 weeks from start to finish and I have no problems. It's when I veg for 6 weeks, somewhere around week 9 or 10 shit just heads south. It is usually around the time I decrease the Cal-Mag Plus... I always see potassium shortages early on, and I always see magnesium deficiency later on. Flushing has been the answer every time, and this time I'm working to keep the levels within reason.
Hence the 325ppm feeding with excess run off 1 week into flowering. I would usually had fed at 800ppm to 900ppm in past grows, but that has always been the start of my problems. So I dropped the levels to a minimum and checked in on the run off. Every run off was below 2000ppm, which I think is pretty good news... 1400ppm run off isn't bad I think.
But then again my healthier plants are coming in around 1150 to 1300. That all depends on what I'm adding to the situation though, so there's some math to do too. Eventually it becomes a lot of work for inaccurate data... All I'm working on is developing a chart for comparison over time. If someone else had kept track of this information that could help me out a lot. I have such a variety of genetic material that I'm hoping the odds are in my favor a grower has done the same strain and has some experience I could benefit from.
Flowering is the problem for me personally. I have had a tendency to over feed and have only had one grow where I finally got it figured out. Prior to this I was growing in soil with success. I see a few grows on Botanicare PBP and those almost all go well. FloraNova seems like it'd be good stuff too. I might just go back to a soil/coco mix and go back to organics. I haven't quite decided...
If I can get a plant dialed in (have clones) then I can repeat my system and finally prove I can do, rather than teach. This coco has me twisted and I'm humbly asking for a little support in this transitional stage. I'll do what it takes to succeed, barring more nutrients added to the shelf
It may not be just a flowering thing. It's more like a 10 week window for me. Clone to flower in coco is great! 10 weeks from start to finish and I have no problems. It's when I veg for 6 weeks, somewhere around week 9 or 10 shit just heads south. It is usually around the time I decrease the Cal-Mag Plus... I always see potassium shortages early on, and I always see magnesium deficiency later on. Flushing has been the answer every time, and this time I'm working to keep the levels within reason.
Hence the 325ppm feeding with excess run off 1 week into flowering. I would usually had fed at 800ppm to 900ppm in past grows, but that has always been the start of my problems. So I dropped the levels to a minimum and checked in on the run off. Every run off was below 2000ppm, which I think is pretty good news... 1400ppm run off isn't bad I think.
But then again my healthier plants are coming in around 1150 to 1300. That all depends on what I'm adding to the situation though, so there's some math to do too. Eventually it becomes a lot of work for inaccurate data... All I'm working on is developing a chart for comparison over time. If someone else had kept track of this information that could help me out a lot. I have such a variety of genetic material that I'm hoping the odds are in my favor a grower has done the same strain and has some experience I could benefit from.
PUKKA BUD
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hi guys my g13 haze lady is 11 day since light switch i veg her for 5 weeks. an ive started seein loads of bud sites with a thew pistols comin. When do you think ill be ready for the PK 13/14? im thinkin its a way early shes a 10wk flower
check her out in my sig below
peace
check her out in my sig below
peace
jimmyjam22
Active Member
I have been growing for about a year and ive only ever used coco peat. Just thought i'd share some pics of girls ive had. Anyway, coco rocks! Oh and thats a 400 hps. Tell me what you think. Sorry for picture quality lol
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good shit how many you flowering under that 400
jimmyjam22
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Only 7 at the moment. I have 2 calizahrs, and 5 NYCD x with mountain jam.
jimmyjam22
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BTW thanks Marmarb. Oh and ive only ever fed them A and B hydroponic nutrients and a product I get called Hydrobotanics Allrounder. Its just a additive with hormones etc in it. Plus I give them blackstrap molasses during flowering. I flush them only once a month these days. How often do you guys flush??????
I'm on my first grow and I used half coco-grow and some fox farm seedling soil (started with a clone) so this stuff worked really nice and let the roots grow right into it. My clone didnt even go into major shock or anything when I transferred it from some generic soil to the part coco, part soil and this was in December winter in Alaska. Lol?
Pedro DiPacas
Member
I use a coir/soil mixture...so far so good!
startin to see the issues with not using coco specfic nutes with it though just hit week 4 of flowering use ff nutes and they tend to need to be flushed not knockin coco i really like the stuff but if you dont have the nutes for it u will run into problems gonna pick up some a b nutes in a few days
jimmyjam22
Active Member
I never really thought of buying the coco specific nutes.... hmmmm... whats the difference? What brand would you go for? Canna?