Roger A. Shrubber
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that is not an endorsement in my opinion...Hey it made the NYTs!
Climate in the 21st Century
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DIY-HP-LED
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Ya know how I feel about fusion vs deep geothermal. If deep geothermal works out in experiments, it won't take long to spread like the knowledge of fire. No patents would be a concern and several American companies make gyrotrons and of course oil companies know about geology and drilling, they are in the energy business, not necessarily in the oil business. If things work out as hoped for over the next couple of years, we will be hearing a lot more about it, more than about fusion I would think. We will see, things need to be proven not just theorized, goes for fusion and geothermal too and then there is cost and money wins in the end.
Theft in STL is quite high they dont investigate theft of kias and hyundais because its such a problem.the cops said they wouldn't investigate the theft of a vehicle?....maybe if you told them a minority gay woke person stole your vehicle, they might do their fucking job...
the kids drove into IL with ittoo, ihavent actually heard of anyone in STL having the police actually prosecute for theft of kia/hyundai though im sure someone has
theres alot of class action lawsuits going as well i plan to get in on one
Roger A. Shrubber
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yeah they seem cool our state doesnty have anything for them, and we drive long distances were about to PCS . its just not an affordable vehicle for me yet prob next car
PJ Diaz
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A level 1 EV changer isn't going to charge you up to 260 miles of range overnight, maybe 75 miles in 12-hours. If you get a level 2 charger professionally installed, then no problem.
DIY-HP-LED
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They mentioned a home charging option in the article, but I don't know much about the subject. A smaller car is easier to charge up from home, an F150 would need a Helluva setup to charge overnight. But say you can charge for 12 hours a night or more on average, go to work and back with a few stops along the way, home by 6 or 7 with the car plugged in. So say you were a small town or suburban driver and drove an average of 50 miles a day back and forth to work. Now just a 120 outlet can deliver 1500 watts and say the charger is not that efficient and it just delivers 1200 watts an hour to the battery or 1.2 KW/Hr so each day you will have about 14.4KW/hrs of charge going into the battery, just on a really shitty 120 volt charger! The bolt has a 66Kw/H battery with a 260 miles range on a full charge or almost 4 miles per kilowatt/H, around 56 miles. So ya could top it up from a cheap charger if ya drive less than 50 miles a day.
On average, American drivers today are moving their vehicles considerably less than they were sixteen years ago, but they still totaled an average of 25.9 miles per day and per driver in 2017.
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Daily miles of travel per driver in the United States between 2001 and 2017.
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DIY-HP-LED
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A 220 X 40A circuit can provide 8800 watts and if a charger is 90% efficient as many are then it should be able to pump 8 KW/H into the EV battery. How many miles per kilowatt hour is your EV getting? The bolt gets almost 4 miles per KW/H so over 30 miles of range per hour of charging and 8 hrs. overnight should take it from near flat to fully charged and a couple of hours charging at home should cover most daily use. A 220 volt charger at home should be able to meet the charging needs of most small and medium EVs and it you have a 100 amp electrical entrance on your house you should be OK from what I can figure. If you wanna own a boat of a car, SUV or a half ton, then you will pay in power and for a new electrical entrance to charge your F150EV from home.
Sativied
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I’m continued to be weirded out by this talk about EVs as if it’s 2010 and they’re something of the future because ‘batteries’, ‘charging’, and ‘range’ limitations. Too expensive I get, but even then it’s often cheaper on the long run.
In reality, EV owners can charge a car at some point during daytime too and not only when the driver is asleep. I know, crazy how far technology has advanced. If you only do groceries and shorts trips, pretty much any will do. If you want to take a roadtrip to a different state or country, then you may have to take a pause (in practice 30min if you got access to a fast charger). But the most common situation is people driving to work, where employers can provide charging options on the parking lot.
In reality, EV owners can charge a car at some point during daytime too and not only when the driver is asleep. I know, crazy how far technology has advanced. If you only do groceries and shorts trips, pretty much any will do. If you want to take a roadtrip to a different state or country, then you may have to take a pause (in practice 30min if you got access to a fast charger). But the most common situation is people driving to work, where employers can provide charging options on the parking lot.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It depends on where you live. The Netherlands are way more densely developed than, say, the Mojave. Nearest good shopping here is 160km round trip. Also, a kWh is real money here.
PJ Diaz
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Yeah, I actually have an EV vehicle, so I do the charge thing on a daily basis. My power rates are highest between 3pm and midnight, so I usually wait until 11 to plug it in. If I have to leave at 9am the next morning, that's 10-hours or around 15KwHours, which equates to around 60-miles assuming that you don't need to use your heater or AC.
Sativied
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Yeah it does depend on where you live but no that’s not just it. You suggest my situation is the exception, while yours is in this context also an exception on the other end. Actually, people in NL have the longest daily commute of Europe, a daily roundtrip of 160km is considered to be fairly lucky (lucky you could find a job/home near your home/job). And it’s not just NL where arguments against EVs because too limited range, batteries and charging options are outdated ideas. A reason NL, for example, and California, have and buy more than the rest of the US per capita is the mentality of local governments towards EVs and towards the reasons we need them to replace gas and diesel cars. And the disdain for poor arguments from the right brainwashed by the oil industry to think EVs aren’t superior to fossil fuel explosion engines when it comes to actually owning and driving one.
”Range anxiety” and “charge fear” are, with many obvious exceptions of course, mostly psychology and far less so technical limitations of modern EVs. More EVs result in more charging options, more charging options result in more people buying EV. Just got to give that snowball a strong enough push. For example, by dismissing range anxiety on a grow forum
EVs also come with apps that you can use to plan that shopping trip and in addition to showing the road it will show charging options and minimum levels etc. Living 80km or even double that away from nearest good shopping is not an argument against EVs. Of course, depends partly on gas vs electricity cost but I pay 0.72 cent per kwh, 90 cents at a fast charger. Thanks to Putin, depending on where you buy gas and electricity, EVs are not always cheaper but that’s a temporary situation (for me). And then there’s always solar charging options.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Nah, I figured my situation is the outlier here. My elder sister lives in Vienna, so an average e-car would serve her well. For vacations Europe has pretty nice rail.Yeah it does depend on where you live but no that’s not just it. You suggest my situation is the exception, while yours is in this context also an exception on the other end. Actually, people in NL have the longest daily commute of Europe, a daily roundtrip of 160km is considered to be fairly lucky (lucky you could find a job/home near your home/job). And it’s not just NL where arguments against EVs because too limited range, batteries and charging options are outdated ideas. A reason NL, for example, and California, have and buy more than the rest of the US per capita is the mentality of local governments towards EVs and towards the reasons we need them to replace gas and diesel cars. And the disdain for poor arguments from the right brainwashed by the oil industry to think EVs aren’t superior to fossil fuel explosion engines when it comes to actually owning and driving one.
”Range anxiety” and “charge fear” are, with many obvious exceptions of course, mostly psychology and far less so technical limitations of modern EVs. More EVs result in more charging options, more charging options result in more people buying EV. Just got to give that snowball a strong enough push. For example, by dismissing range anxiety on a grow forum
EVs also come with apps that you can use to plan that shopping trip and in addition to showing the road it will show charging options and minimum levels etc. Living 80km or even double that away from nearest good shopping is not an argument against EVs. Of course, depends partly on gas vs electricity cost but I pay 0.72 cent per kwh, 90 cents at a fast charger. Thanks to Putin, depending on where you buy gas and electricity, EVs are not always cheaper but that’s a temporary situation (for me). And then there’s always solar charging options.
I admit to range anxiety, which is compounded by long charge times. Though with megawatt chargers, charge time drops to a few minutes, just long enough for a rest room and an Orangina.
But I agree that the need to use less fossil carbon is job 1. Who knows - the populous perimeter of USA might one day catch up in public transit quality with the civilized world!
Why are commutes so long there? Are you guys building bedroom communities in the countryside, like here? Mortgages and rents in CA are mostly a function of how close the city is. That’s not counting enclaves of the wealthy, like Santa Barbara and Palm Springs.
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Sativied
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Thing is, you don’t have to stay with the car while it charges (no people here to “fill‘r up”) which makes it a different experience. Rather more relaxing, unhasting. Unless you left with a half or near empty battery, you got to drive a long time before you need to fill up. In practice, most people want more than a few min break after driving so far/long and before doing that some more that it would require a mega fast full load. Don’t let the perfect stand in the way of the good.
Southern France, Spain, and Italy are over 600-800miles common drive for people going on holiday from NL, often with trailer. 10% of the population goes to France every year, most by car. With trailer, range is cut in half. Requires some adapting but for those one or two trips a year even that situation turned out to be very doable without making it a hassle.
Europe does have nice rail but the contrast is huge, in some countries it’s very affordable, in others it’s silly expensive unless you’re a student. For years I was promised high speed train to Paris for 25 bucks. It’s 35, not that far off if I consider inflation, but that’s one-way ticket booked months in advance and a trip during shitty hours. If I want to go this weekend, it’s €149 roundtrip+costs+€32 to Amsterdam first. 25 becomes 200. About 400miles drive by car, so roughly half cheaper by car, far cheaper if I fill up in Belgium or France. To put it differently, it’s cheaper to hop on a Boeing than go by train so unless the trip is about the trainride instead of the destination, europe’s rail sucks horribly.
Australia has nice rail. Paid 6 aud, like 4 bucks then, for 2.5 hours ride along the coast in at least as modern trains, straight into the capital’s center. Still government owned there, privatized here thus 5x the rates…
PJ Diaz
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"Range anxiety" is more than just a paranoia, it's steeped fully in logic. Around here fast charging options are currently pretty limited for CHAdeMO type ports, I think we have less than a half-dozen in the whole county. The other day my wife had to drive to the opposite side of the county, and run around over there for various things. When it came time to drive home, she was real low on charge, with no fast chargers in range. She was supposed to pick up our daughter after school, but due to the charging situation, she would have been an hour and a half late, so I had to leave work and pick her up. Admittedly we have an older EV that only has a 24KwH battery, which compounds the situation.
Sativied
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“”Range anxiety” and “charge fear” are, with many obvious exceptions of course, mostly psychology and far less so technical limitations of modern EVs.”
PJ Diaz
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That's your opinion, unless you have facts to back up your assertion with. My real world experience as an EV owner for the past few years says otherwise.
Last time I drove my family from Santa Cruz to San Francisco for a baseball game and home again, the need to stop at multiple charging stations, while hoping that they were actually where the app said they would be, and that they were working, was something of a nightmare.
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Sativied
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What an absurd reply. gl with that.
Missed your edit or just high and blind. It’s a combination of different factors but imagine the area of The Hague, Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Utrecht as being “the city” and Eindhoven area another city and the rest cunt farmer areas where they do produce offspring that ends up going to college and universities who want a job in “the west” or “the city”. Another major more recent contributor is the insane housing shortage and costs in the city. Either get a real house with garden and drive 1-3 hours per day, or live in a noisy busy city in a smaller 2-3x as costly apartment or small house. Above all, it’s kinda normal. Since a few years people on welfare have to apply for jobs regularly. If they can’t find one in 6 months, they have to search within a 90min radius instead of the default 60min (2hours drive per day, roughly 100km/60miles radius). Hardly enforced but they can’t complain about the distance simply cause it’s not considered “so long”.
potpimp
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You actually trust the UN??? They've predicted this same bullshit for the last 50 years. By 10 years ago there were not supposed to be any glaciers.Well, boys & girls or whatever, the End of Humankind seems to be approaching relatively rapidly & it seems we/they can't/won't do fucking anything substantial to stop it.
In other words we're fucked as a species/organism & it appears that it's inevitable.
A new United Nations report shows the world is on a “catastrophic pathway” toward a hotter future unless governments make more ambitious pledges to cut greenhouse gas emissions, the head of the UN said last week.
That’s the latest blunt assessment by the United Nations in its 42 page report. The report says that most countries have failed to uphold promises to make deep cuts to greenhouse gas pollution, in order to avoid the most catastrophic effects of climate change.
According to the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, meeting the more ambitious target of a 2.7 degree Fahrenheit temperature rise would require eliminating fossil fuels almost entirely by 2050.
A review of all the national commitments submitted by signatories of the Paris climate accord until July 30, found that based on detailed information from signatories, this would result in emissions rising nearly 16 percent by 2030, compared with 2010 levels.
“The 16 percent increase is a huge cause for concern,” according to Patricia Espinosa, the UN’s chief climate negotiator, reports the BBC.
“It is in sharp contrast with the calls by science for rapid, sustained and large-scale emission reductions to prevent the most severe climate consequences and suffering, especially of the most vulnerable, throughout the world.”
This shows the world is heading in the wrong direction. Scientists recently confirmed that to avoid the worst impacts of hotter conditions, global carbon emissions needed to be cut by 45 percent by 2030.
That is only 14 years away folks, to curtail at the minimum & reduce simultaneously carbon emissions, or it's fucking game over.
Hah, Ha & Ha
What are the odds of that occuring?
None?
The COP26 climate conference is scheduled to take place in Glasgow in just over six weeks’ time. The main focus of the event is to keep alive hopes of limiting the rise in global temperatures by persuading nations to cut their emissions.
Yet, out of the 191 countries taking part in the agreement, only 113 have so far come up with improved pledges. Alok Sharma, the British minister who will chair the COP26 conference, said nations that had ambitious climate plans were “already bending the curve of emissions downwards.”
“But without action from all countries, especially the biggest economies, these efforts risk being in vain,” Sharma added. A recent study by Climate Action Tracker found that of the G20 group of leading industrial nations, only a handful including the UK and the US have strengthened their targets to cut emissions.
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Based on the data from the Climate Action Tracker, it is apparent that many countries are trying to fall in line with their targets, but the UN is still waiting for updated plans from many asshole countries. “There are some real laggard nations that we hope to hear from,” says the policy director for the Climate and Energy Program at the Union of Concerned Scientists. They include China, which is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases, as well as Japan, Australia, South Korea, and Brazil.
Another analysis shows that China, India, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey – together responsible for 33 percent of greenhouse gases – have yet to submit updated plans, like not even a fucking word
None/nada/zip
Additionally, the study finds that Brazil, Mexico, and Russia all expect their emissions to grow rather than shrink.
Yup, we're on the right track alright.
Excellent!!!
Humankind will abandon all tribal instincts & greed & come together and save the Planet!!!
I doubt it
This ain't fucking Hollywood, you dumb fucks, & I don't see a happy ending here.
None whatsoever.
Reality is a bitch, ain't it.
Wear a mask/get a jab