babylonburn
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if that say say was put to reality then it would be ONE love,light,law....ONE
I'd call this 'truth'. As Ghandi said, yeah?Since nobody can interfere in the realm of God we should tolerate and live side by side with those of other faiths. In the mystic traditions of the different religions we have a remarkable unity of spirit. Whatever religion they may profess, they are spiritual kinsmen. While the different religions in their historic forms bind us to limited groups and militate against the development of loyalty to the world community, the mystics have already stood for the fellowship of humanity in harmony with the spirit of the mystics of ages gone by....... Selassie I
If what the Christians believe is true, at the current death rate around the world God would have only .57 seconds to judge a person at the time of their death before moving on to the next. Do you believe your god can actually do that? And even if he could, would he?And believe me, I know that I know nothing. It is possible that everything mankind "knows" is completely wrong. I try not to put definites in anything, on people's personality, our laws of physics-however this is one of the very, very few things I am completely certain on.
I think i'll help you out with your conundrum with a story I read awhile back-Either God is a giant asshole who likes to enjoy people suffering,
or he isn't all powerful,
or he doesn't exist.
I'll use Occam's razor and go with the last option.
QUOTE (Epicurius @ the problem of evil)
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
I wasn't after "proving" God to you. I was trying to shed light on the question "why God lets evil happen". The fact is, that we are the ones screwin up but we blame God. If more people took responsibility for their actions this world would be a lot better.That must have been a theology professor since a prof with any kind of science background (hell even a decent logic background) would blow the student's moronic comparisons out of the water. This must have been a bible college.
And besides the whole argument is stupid -- science doesn't "prove" negatives (you can't). You know this Zen - yet you persist in making this assumption. Science does not prove god one way or the other. The only thing I, and other science-minded folks say, is there is no scientific evidence for god. There are certainly rhetorical arguments and circumstantial evidence - just no scientific evidence.
Besides - faith is supposed to trump all - why do you care if there is evidence of not?
I was talking about his rhetorical style. The whole hot and cold argument is moot when comparing to good and evil. Something measurable and objective (temperature) vs. something intangible and subjective (good and evil).I wasn't after "proving" God to you. I was trying to shed light on the question "why God lets evil happen". The fact is, that we are the ones screwin up but we blame God. If more people took responsibility for their actions this world would be a lot better.
And how would a true, Email468 Approved, scientist "blow" the student's comparison out of the water? He just argued that evil wasn't a product of God's, it is an absence of God.
Hmm, are you sure you read the story throughly? I am having the assumption that you skimmed threw it at a barely tolerable level because you have a conflicting ideology.I was talking about his rhetorical style. The whole hot and cold argument is moot when comparing to good and evil. Something measurable and objective (temperature) vs. something intangible and subjective (good and evil).
God is the boss - God runs the show - the buck stops with God. He chooses not to stop evil and by doing so at least tolerates - if not condones it. So I am evil cause i don't believe in god? fuck that noise.
thanks zen -- i don't think i'm evil either. I did read it (i even read it several times as this is not the first time you've posted it). It is an interesting argument no doubt. It is just comparing apples and oranges.Hmm, are you sure you read the story throughly? I am having the assumption that you skimmed threw it at a barely tolerable level because you have a conflicting ideology.
Reason why I assume this is because his reference to Hot - Cold was merely scientific. We cannot measure cold, just heat. So cold is the absence of heat, as well is darkness to light. He had to put it in a way so the scientist could understand
You are not evil, just maybe proud. God doesn't hate you, he never will. There will be a day when you will need God, and he will be there.
For the record email, I think your a great guy. I always love reading your posts. You are one of the most.......errrr......*thinking of a good word*.... logical and scientific "posters" on RIU.
I personally don't think someone is "evil" because they don't believe in God. As you have proven, there is no scientific facts about God besides the Bible. You are utterly scientific(smart) and need evidence before you poise your position, you are at the same time open minded about God and would love to believe in Him if you had tangible evidence.
I respect your views and I know a lot of other people do too. If there is a heaven, I believe the key to getting into it is being a kind and genuine person.
How can so many religions be the only "right" religion and all others will not permit you into heaven? Keep giving money to our church and they will permit you into heaven for all eternity. Is that so far off from the way the middle easterners think about getting 30 virgins in heaven for doing "good" deeds? It is a promise from the church to you that you have no way of telling if its right or wrong unless you are dead. REREAD MY LAST SENTANCE! You must have blind faith in order to get into through the gates of heaven... What bull if you ask me, why not every person that has good intentions and tries to make the world better be able to go to heaven.. Ohh yeah,..... the church would not be able to collect as much funds that way... Shoot... (Sorry to all the believers, I was a Christian less than 6 months ago. I have been opening my eyes though and can't deny facts because I am like email in regards to needing evidence. Watch this movie, the first 10 mins or so are gay though.Zeitgeist - The Movie)
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