Christianity has been debunked once and for all

ZenMaster · May 25, 2008

email468 said:
No doubt having those things would change a culture - it certainly changed American culture. But I'm not sure what that would have to do with religion. I mean a McDonalds is not a cathedral and a Wal-Mart is not a mosque. It's not like those places are handing out religious tracts or passing around collection plates. And you sure don't have to go into them.

I know what We meant.

Statistically, more people have died in the name of God than anything else. The only problem with this is that people use the name of God so that it fits their agenda. All the Crusades were ultimately just wars to gain more land and fortune. The Holy Roman Empire used the name of God to intimidate and gain riches from the masses. Its man that is corruptible, not God. The Bible doesn't say go out and kill everyone who is not like you.

babylonburn · May 25, 2008

u cant take life from the life giver....destruction of flesh isnt the ending to life....the devils dead...jah lives....earth is the lord....christianity is a law....ii dont follow laws ii follow laws....who feels it knows it....burn all false kings and queens,burn all false reality...

email468 · May 25, 2008

babylonburn said:
u cant take life from the life giver....destruction of flesh isnt the ending to life....the devils dead...jah lives....earth is the lord....christianity is a law....ii dont follow laws ii follow laws....who feels it knows it....burn all false kings and queens,burn all false reality...

huh? earth is the lord? christianity is law? I'm not sure what you're saying.

babylonburn · May 25, 2008

christianity is law....simple as that....on every christian book it says edited by king james,etc...false king james is'nt my lord nor savior....earth is the lord...it gives and takes life...it judges...lord lives in us,we give life every day and night,jah works in i....in early days there were false kings and queens...no computers jus a book...so babylon got to the book to get to ure feeling...who feels it knows it and ii feel that life is law,and lord and earth is our "church"...fools go to church on sunday....god is a living man every one looks up...ii look around

email468 · May 25, 2008

ZenMaster said:
That is not correct.

I didn't say anything about morals. I just cannot fathom that we are here for no reason, that all this is just a chance happening. I've said this before- The Earth could not possibly be a better distance from the sun, we have our seasons, our moon, and us as the only intelligent life form on this blue planet. I don't believe we just exist just to live then die. That is what I meant from "my life has no meaning". This is a stage, gentlemen. A test if you will to see how you lived your life given what you were given. You must think out of the box, don't be so wrapped up in your sociological way of life. there is a bigger picture.

you say "that is not correct" and then you proceed exactly as i predicted. you can't see (or believe) that we just exist to live and then die. You can word it how you like but it comes down to - you can't believe this is all there is - so no evidence could convince you otherwise. It is not sociological view of life i am wrapped up in - it is a scientifically skeptical view of EVERYTHING i am wrapped up in.

I added morals because that is the more common version of your argument.

email468 · May 25, 2008

babylonburn said:
christianity is law....simple as that....on every christian book it says edited by king james,etc...false king james is'nt my lord nor savior....earth is the lord...it gives and takes life...it judges...lord lives in us,we give life every day and night,jah works in i....in early days there were false kings and queens...no computers jus a book...so babylon got to the book to get to ure feeling...who feels it knows it and ii feel that life is law,and lord and earth is our "church"...fools go to church on sunday....god is a living man every one looks up...ii look around

Getting a little clearer. Sorry but i have another question... does the bible explain what christianity is or is the bible completely worthless?

I would also mention that not every bible is the "King James edition". I mean there are plenty of re-translated versions available. I would think you'd take more issue with the council of trent if you are concerned with accuracy. Is that what you're saying - the version of the bible is inaccurate?

babylonburn · May 25, 2008

ii couldnt really say....thats why ii couldnt put ii heart and feel in2 that book....nor christianity....even today the laws we are to abide by are somewhat based on the bible...back in the slavery days laws were dictated by the bible....and the white man inslaved a people that looked just like their god"he had hair of wool,skin of bronze"

ii have haIr of wool(iilocks)and skin of bronze and ii am a black man.... so it is hypocritical....and ii dont mix nor mingle with them kinds....

ZenMaster · May 25, 2008

email468 said:
you say "that is not correct" and then you proceed exactly as i predicted. you can't see (or believe) that we just exist to live and then die. You can word it how you like but it comes down to - you can't believe this is all there is - so no evidence could convince you otherwise. It is not sociological view of life i am wrapped up in - it is a scientifically skeptical view of EVERYTHING i am wrapped up in.

I added morals because that is the more common version of your argument.

I don't understand your reasoning.

I said nothing of morals and it has absolutely nothing to do with my argument or what I even said, you linked it because you feel like you have a counter argument already prepared.

Also, there is no "evidence" to concede that we are solely dust in the wind. You turn to science when in question however ironically science is merely a feeble desperation attempt on understanding the phenomena that is our existence. You put your "faith" behind mankind, which has proven countless times that man nor science holds any answers.

ZenMaster · May 25, 2008

babylonburn said:
ii couldnt really say....thats why ii couldnt put ii heart and feel in2 that book....nor christianity....even today the laws we are to abide by are somewhat based on the bible...back in the slavery days laws were dictated by the bible....and the white man inslaved a people that looked just like their god"he had hair of wool,skin of bronze"

ii have haIr of wool(iilocks)and skin of bronze and ii am a black man.... so it is hypocritical....and ii dont mix nor mingle with them kinds....

You know Moses freed his people (jews) from the Egyptians right? Why do you think its the evil white man that were the only slave owners. Every single race on this planet has been a slave, and has owned a slave.

babylonburn · May 25, 2008

Science Is Nothing But People Without God Trying To Play His Role...trying To Be"creator"...instead They End Up Being Destructor

email468 · May 25, 2008

ZenMaster said:
I don't understand your reasoning.

I said nothing of morals and it has absolutely nothing to do with my argument or what I even said, you linked it because you feel like you have a counter argument already prepared.

Also, there is no "evidence" to concede that we are solely dust in the wind. You turn to science when in question however ironically science is merely a feeble desperation attempt on understanding the phenomena that is our existence. You put your "faith" behind mankind, which has proven countless times that man nor science holds any answers.

You are mistaken. I turn to science as the only viable option to explain the world around me. It may be feeble and desperate but it is the only viable option as far as i can tell.

I'd rather put my faith in the empirical method than humankind. Having said that, if i had to - i'd rather put my faith in mankind than god since i at least know humankind exists.

email468 · May 25, 2008

babylonburn said:
ii couldnt really say....thats why ii couldnt put ii heart and feel in2 that book....nor christianity....even today the laws we are to abide by are somewhat based on the bible...back in the slavery days laws were dictated by the bible....and the white man inslaved a people that looked just like their god"he had hair of wool,skin of bronze"

ii have haIr of wool(iilocks)and skin of bronze and ii am a black man.... so it is hypocritical....and ii dont mix nor mingle with them kinds....

so you're a christian that doesn't believe in the bible. and you think the bible has occurrences of white racism with blacks being enslaved by whites.

I'll agree the bible is hypocritical.

email468 · May 25, 2008

ZenMaster said:
You know Moses freed his people (jews) from the Egyptians right? Why do you think its the evil white man that were the only slave owners. Every single race on this planet has been a slave, and has owned a slave.

while there is no scientific evidence of Moses or that the jews were enslaved by the Egyptians - yes - that is the story of Exodus.

The whole racial-based slavery thing was a relatively recent development. Used to be you were born into slavery or were forced into it by being conquered (or just plain unlucky).

ZenMaster · May 25, 2008

email468 said:
You are mistaken. I turn to science as the only viable option to explain the world around me. It may be feeble and desperate but it is the only viable option as far as i can tell.

I'd rather put my faith in the empirical method than humankind. Having said that, if i had to - i'd rather put my faith in mankind than god since i at least know humankind exists.

If you put your faith behind God, you'll know he exists. Its not a catch-22, if you look to him for help, help will come.

babylonburn · May 25, 2008

When Ii Say Black Ii Talk Of Idians,trinidad,ect. What Color Is Your Shadow?what Color Do You See When You Close Your Eyes Black....ii Know Moses Freed His People...that Just Empowers What Ii Say, Lord Lives Through Us....ii Used That As An Example... How Christains Pick And Choose To Put Themselves In Power....when Have You Seen An African With A Slave?

babylonburn · May 25, 2008

No Ii Am A Rastaman With No Religion Just God...and No Ii Dont Beleive In The Bible...nor Its Editors....nor There Ways...

email468 · May 25, 2008

babylonburn said:
Science Is Nothing But People Without God Trying To Play His Role...trying To Be"creator"...instead They End Up Being Destructor

This is not true at all - there are many religious and spiritual scientists. I may not agree with them but they exist.

Scientists are not trying to "play God" - they aren't Baron Frankenstein. What they are doing is looking (and much to believer's chagrin) finding natural explanations for the world and universe around us.

And if by being a destructor that means they tear down falsehoods and lies then guilty as charged.

ZenMaster · May 25, 2008

email468 said:
while there is no scientific evidence of Moses or that the jews were enslaved by the Egyptians - yes - that is the story of Exodus.

The whole racial-based slavery thing was a relatively recent development. Used to be you were born into slavery or were forced into it by being conquered (or just plain unlucky).

Whether you believe in God or not the Bible is a very accurate history book, because it was the very first one to exist. Even skeptical historians concur that the Bible is correct in its following of different regions, kings at the time, and even, the existence of Moses and his exploits.

email468 · May 25, 2008

ZenMaster said:
If you put your faith behind God, you'll know he exists. Its not a catch-22, if you look to him for help, help will come.

no i won't KNOW god exists - i'll BELIEVE he exists - therein lies the HUGE difference.

ZenMaster · May 25, 2008

babylonburn said:
When Ii Say Black Ii Talk Of Idians,trinidad,ect. What Color Is Your Shadow?what Color Do You See When You Close Your Eyes Black....ii Know Moses Freed His People...that Just Empowers What Ii Say, Lord Lives Through Us....ii Used That As An Example... How Christains Pick And Choose To Put Themselves In Power....when Have You Seen An African With A Slave?

Africans owned slaves from different tribes. Same thing with indians.

Christianity has been debunked once and for all

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