Christianity has been debunked once and for all

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b549420

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IheartKeif said:
468, Thats really not a nice thing to say. I have watched your guys verbal masterbation go back and forth and would think you would agree to disagree. Life is too short to go through it pointing out what you perceive to be other peoples faults. We all decide how we are going to walk through this journey. I would suggest we show respect and understanding towards each other.
PS: Dont get stoned in a graveyard, thats just weird.
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Be open to new things if you would like to "verbal masturbate" and "walk through this journey" as you say. The closed minded statement was dually noted and forgotten. I will refrain from saying what I want because I'm not an American. Oh, I was just born and raised here in Kentucky. Read my mind from here.
 
b549420

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email468 said:
I guess you're conveniently forgetting that i would have been burned at the stake for expounding my beliefs by Christians, up until about 200 years ago.

I am not saying there is no good to Christianity but the good vs. the bad is certainly debatable. And Christianity did not invent non-violence, tolerance and faith. Speaking of faith - i would consider holding up faith as a virtue as one of the most vile things Christianity (or any religion) has done.

Your assertion that Christianity gave us the world we are living with today is highly debatable if not outright preposterous. It was reason and enlightenment that broke the shackles of faith that allowed us to live in the modern world. It wasn't until monks, scientists, and other "renaissance" folks started looking at the ancient/classical learning (Greek and Roman NOT christian/judaic) the world became modern.

Please note that the Pharisees (Jewish high priests) care about what other Jews do - they never had jurisdiction over large numbers of goyim.
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Your right, they sure changed my mind/life and all of the hundred of redneck American friends of mine. (Your opinion) Is always going to be just that.
 
PoseidonsNet

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would have been burned at the stake for expounding my beliefs by Christians, up until about 200 years ago
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nowadays they just throw you in jail for smoking pot - welcome to secular blasphemy society
 
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Yondaime said:
And by the way, If I haven't said this before, im not speaking about my opinion or as if to prove something to you - I'm speaking through religious doctrine that I can back up with scripture...
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If you're talking about biblical scripture, the bible doesn't have any credibility with me. None. Zilch. Nada.
 
Rocky Mountain High

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god and religion are nothing more than 'santa claus' for adults. he sees you when you are sleeping and knows when you're awake and if you are bad, you don't get a lump of coal for christmas, you get lumped into hell to burn!

If you NEED religion to make you act right, then believe the bull. If not just be a 'good person' and live your life to the fullest.

I saw a comedian recently and he had a good schtick on religion saying that even if you tried to explain it to a child or a retarded person, they would have some serious questions. Moses was how OLD? And he was able to get 2 of everything into the boat? What the hell did they eat, when they normally would eat each other?

I guess faith can outweigh logic when presented in a nice package, huh?
 
ZenMaster

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Rocky Mountain High said:
god and religion are nothing more than 'santa claus' for adults. he sees you when you are sleeping and knows when you're awake and if you are bad, you don't get a lump of coal for christmas, you get lumped into hell to burn!

If you NEED religion to make you act right, then believe the bull. If not just be a 'good person' and live your life to the fullest.

I saw a comedian recently and he had a good schtick on religion saying that even if you tried to explain it to a child or a retarded person, they would have some serious questions. Moses was how OLD? And he was able to get 2 of everything into the boat? What the hell did they eat, when they normally would eat each other?

I guess faith can outweigh logic when presented in a nice package, huh?
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"You can't prove there's a god, so I'm going to believe the universe is a chance happening and that my life has no meaning because it's a cosmic mistake"
 
babylonburn

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christianism is a law....they say lord is dead...ii say you cant take life from the life giver...earth is the lord...
 
Rocky Mountain High

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Zen master,

I'm a logical person and there is no PROOF that's why it's called FAITH. You CHOOSE to have it. I CHOOSE not too and all you did was further the article. I'm not trying to get you to NOT BELIEVE so why are you trying to get me to BELIEVE?

I'm not forcing my views down your throat but, just like the article says, you and Christians continually try to push down others, why?

I don't look at people who believe in a negative light at all. Religion provides hope for those who have none and that is a great service, no doubt. I'm not sitting here saying 'oh those crazy Christians' but you are sitting there saying that I'm an idiot for not believing the fairy tale?
 
ZenMaster

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Rocky Mountain High said:
Zen master,

I'm a logical person and there is no PROOF that's why it's called FAITH. You CHOOSE to have it. I CHOOSE not too and all you did was further the article. I'm not trying to get you to NOT BELIEVE so why are you trying to get me to BELIEVE?

I'm not forcing my views down your throat but, just like the article says, you and Christians continually try to push down others, why?

I don't look at people who believe in a negative light at all. Religion provides hope for those who have none and that is a great service, no doubt. I'm not sitting here saying 'oh those crazy Christians' but you are sitting there saying that I'm an idiot for not believing the fairy tale?
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What? I'm not forcing any view down any throat, you must have recently jumped in this thread because my main argument that this universe is to complex to just happen randomly. Don't get so defensive, I am not a vigilante.
 
We TaRdED

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If people could accept each for who they are than the world would be a better place. I say let people be, if they feel compelled to learn about Christ or why there religion is a fallacy, than so be it.

If something is inconclusive than how can we be so adamant? Religion has caused more deaths than than anything else(at least thats what I've heard).

I don't see why America has he right to impose our ways upon other countries, leave their culture alone, stop the genocide. ~lol~ Sorry about the rant...:mrgreen:

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
 
Rocky Mountain High

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Zen you are right I did just jump into this thread and I didn't take the time to read the posts from beginning to the end so I could be talking from my arce.

This line made me think you were clowning me, saying oh you don't believe so there is no meaning?

You can't prove there's a god, so I'm going to believe the universe is a chance happening and that my life has no meaning because it's a cosmic mistake"

Explain to me please?

Thanks man
 
email468

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We TaRdED said:
I don't see why America has he right to impose our ways upon other countries, leave their culture alone, stop the genocide. ~lol~ Sorry about the rant...:mrgreen:
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The US separates church and state - which is why people fight for and against prayer in school, ten commandments in the court house, etc...

no such thing as a national church/religion in the US - it is one of the founding principals.

I don't think the US goes to war to spread any religion or suppress any religion. Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?
 
email468

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Rocky Mountain High said:
Zen you are right I did just jump into this thread and I didn't take the time to read the posts from beginning to the end so I could be talking from my arce.

This line made me think you were clowning me, saying oh you don't believe so there is no meaning?

You can't prove there's a god, so I'm going to believe the universe is a chance happening and that my life has no meaning because it's a cosmic mistake"

Explain to me please?

Thanks man
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I think Zen is setting up the false dichotomy (either-or). it is the old "without God where does morality and meaning come from" argument. You can either have God and meaning/morality or you can be godless and without meaning/morals.

When in reality, as you probably know, there are more sides to that coin.
 
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email468 said:
I don't think the US goes to war to spread any religion or suppress any religion. Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?
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Idk, I might be thinking about it wrong. I just figure after so much time of us having bases in the middle east, and putting allies as their leaders. I can see the McDonald's, Burger king, Walmart, etc etc being built over there within good time. After so many of 'our' companies have been running over there, innately their culture will change due to their new environment. I'm sure it would start slowly, but given the appropriate time, they are going to build like America with malls and etc.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
 
email468

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We TaRdED said:
Idk, I might be thinking about it wrong. I just figure after so much time of us having bases in the middle east, and putting allies as their leaders. I can see the McDonald's, Burger king, Walmart, etc etc being built over there within good time. After so many of 'our' companies have been running over there, innately their culture will change due to their new environment. I'm sure it would start slowly, but given the appropriate time, they are going to build like America with malls and etc.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~
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No doubt having those things would change a culture - it certainly changed American culture. But I'm not sure what that would have to do with religion. I mean a McDonalds is not a cathedral and a Wal-Mart is not a mosque. It's not like those places are handing out religious tracts or passing around collection plates. And you sure don't have to go into them.
 
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ZenMaster

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email468 said:
I think Zen is setting up the false dichotomy (either-or). it is the old "without God where does morality and meaning come from" argument. You can either have God and meaning/morality or you can be godless and without meaning/morals.

When in reality, as you probably know, there are more sides to that coin.
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That is not correct.

I didn't say anything about morals. I just cannot fathom that we are here for no reason, that all this is just a chance happening. I've said this before- The Earth could not possibly be a better distance from the sun, we have our seasons, our moon, and us as the only intelligent life form on this blue planet. I don't believe we just exist just to live then die. That is what I meant from "my life has no meaning". This is a stage, gentlemen. A test if you will to see how you lived your life given what you were given. You must think out of the box, don't be so wrapped up in your sociological way of life. there is a bigger picture.
 
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