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Keeprollinup

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Holy cow leds made such wide wrong and twosted ppfd science no actual educated person would touch them with a stick covered in shit.

Them makers industry and followers be dumb assssss fuck, they know sweet fa about ppfd and suggest they all club together and sponsor someone to actually get an education :-)
:clap::wink: well said:leaf:
 

Kingrow1

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I heard they’ve really upped their game while you were gone Kingro
Its not upping your game if at first you destroy every law of biology qnd physics qnd then spend the next decade having to learn to correct all your mistakes.... thats called stupid.

Still they were never going to beat hps in the first place and the subsequent conversation was toxic here.

Its just common knowledge for some of us now, we precieve leds as exspensive and not that good, rather a single point hps or cmh for a lot less dollars, more light, penetration and spectrum :-)
 

bk78

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Its not upping your game if at first you destroy every law of biology qnd physics qnd then spend the next decade having to learn to correct all your mistakes.... thats called stupid.

Still they were never going to beat hps in the first place and the subsequent conversation was toxic here.

Its just common knowledge for some of us now, we precieve leds as exspensive and not that good, rather a single point hps or cmh for a lot less dollars, more light, penetration and spectrum :-)

Watt for watt they destroy your old barn lights actually :p
 

Kingrow1

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Watt for watt they destroy your old barn lights actually :p
No its the reason theres lots of recent threads on bad penetration. Hps and cmh single point throw so much out sideways that it is this that penetrates so well. You fail to account for this and overall the hps and cmh throw a greater bolume of light than tiny spaced diodes that overlap beams and use low wattage. Physics is very clear on the pros and cons of single high wattage and low multi point. Add in the superior spectrum and you start seeing the reason cmh and hps grow big ass buds in the first place.

Dude its been done, these are highlights, the real point is a lot of us dont takeled seriously anymore and simply push growers to be cheap and use hps or cmh and join our gang where we know how to control heat and stuff with simple science.

Its all cool though :-)
 

bk78

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No its the reason theres lots of recent threads on bad penetration. Hps and cmh single point throw so much out sideways that it is this that penetrates so well. You fail to account for this and overall the hps and cmh throw a greater bolume of light than tiny spaced diodes that overlap beams and use low wattage. Physics is very clear on the pros and cons of single high wattage and low multi point. Add in the superior spectrum and you start seeing the reason cmh and hps grow big ass buds in the first place.

Dude its been done, these are highlights, the real point is a lot of us dont takeled seriously anymore and simply push growers to be cheap and use hps or cmh and join our gang where we know how to control heat and stuff with simple science.

Its all cool though :-)

Time to crawl out from under that rock you’ve e been under and realize they match hps grows at half the wattage.
 

bk78

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DRY WEIGHT RESULTS. I MUST say first the DE hps 1000watt was not utilizing the full coverage area as the Quantum board 480watt was at max coverage
De HPS 1000watt yielded 585 grams dry so about .6 grams watts per gram. ( I know there people who get higher with the full coverage being used and I was also picky while trimming. I like my hash nugs)
QUANTUM BOARD 480 yielded 667 grams dry.
So a beautiful 1.3 almost 1.4 grams per watt. The Quantum board had the more stickey nugs but the DE hps had the most dense ones. (Remember that these were from seed so its not 100% accurate test but for the 480watt to get 1.3 almost 1.4 grams per watt is nuts. That being said I'll still be using my DE 1000watt for flower until the day I can afford to switch both of my large grow rooms to Quantum boards. Hope everyone liked the grow now onto the next.4E0B2E9D-E59F-43AA-8CC1-DDD99BAD3E4A.jpegB9226E27-DA28-43F1-8BAA-9162A28AFD9B.jpeg
 

growingforfun

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No its the reason theres lots of recent threads on bad penetration. Hps and cmh single point throw so much out sideways that it is this that penetrates so well. You fail to account for this and overall the hps and cmh throw a greater bolume of light than tiny spaced diodes that overlap beams and use low wattage. Physics is very clear on the pros and cons of single high wattage and low multi point. Add in the superior spectrum and you start seeing the reason cmh and hps grow big ass buds in the first place.

Dude its been done, these are highlights, the real point is a lot of us dont takeled seriously anymore and simply push growers to be cheap and use hps or cmh and join our gang where we know how to control heat and stuff with simple science.

Its all cool though :-)
For what it's worth I've ran his for around 10 years now, we've talked in the past maybe you remember this.
Anyways I run a 5x10 scrog with 2x 1kw de gavitas over it, the middle and edges dont get a ton of light but still do just fine with the biggest light spacing in the middle.
Anyways I just got a 240 watt QB to put over that zone. While that area has always had "ok" buds this 240 watt QB is really impressing this long time HPS lover.
I can actually see replacing the HPS with QBs.

I know your going to say it's the hps doing the work and the LEDs are just a little help but I know for a fact a 250 or even a 400 watt hps in the same spot wouldnt give me the results I'm seeing
 

Kingrow1

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DRY WEIGHT RESULTS. I MUST say first the DE hps 1000watt was not utilizing the full coverage area as the Quantum board 480watt was at max coverage
De HPS 1000watt yielded 585 grams dry so about .6 grams watts per gram. ( I know there people who get higher with the full coverage being used and I was also picky while trimming. I like my hash nugs)
QUANTUM BOARD 480 yielded 667 grams dry.
So a beautiful 1.3 almost 1.4 grams per watt. The Quantum board had the more stickey nugs but the DE hps had the most dense ones. (Remember that these were from seed so its not 100% accurate test but for the 480watt to get 1.3 almost 1.4 grams per watt is nuts. That being said I'll still be using my DE 1000watt for flower until the day I can afford to switch both of my large grow rooms to Quantum boards. Hope everyone liked the grow now onto the next.View attachment 4389059View attachment 4389061
Theres always some one trying to prove the led point, end of day the best grows have come from non led users.

Why even bother trying to say it against so many who dont care and dont agree - toxic. Us cmh and hps users are way more chilled, take led out of the equation and this site be waaaay friendlier and cooler :-)
 

Kingrow1

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For what it's worth I've ran his for around 10 years now, we've talked in the past maybe you remember this.
Anyways I run a 5x10 scrog with 2x 1kw de gavitas over it, the middle and edges dont get a ton of light but still do just fine with the biggest light spacing in the middle.
Anyways I just got a 240 watt QB to put over that zone. While that area has always had "ok" buds this 240 watt QB is really impressing this long time HPS lover.
I can actually see replacing the HPS with QBs.

I know your going to say it's the hps doing the work and the LEDs are just a little help but I know for a fact a 250 or even a 400 watt hps in the same spot wouldnt give me the results I'm seeing

Ive seen many go full cycle and for one rrason or the other are over leds and back with the trusty hps or new cmh which seems super cool :-)
 

bk78

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Theres always some one trying to prove the led point, end of day the best grows have come from non led users.

Why even bother trying to say it against so many who dont care and dont agree - toxic. Us cmh and hps users are way more chilled, take led out of the equation and this site be waaaay friendlier and cooler :-)

You hate seeing the proof. It makes you cringe eh?
 

Kingrow1

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I always have an answer to this led stuff - consider that if you find led better than cmh and hps one of the following is your problem -

* You suck a little and dont get high numbers from cmh or hps but led grows you bigger yeilds.... Yer thats just a lower watt led so not such a big boy light and your plants suffered less from your lack of skillz - 0.6 gram from hps pfffft be more like over a gram then maybe i believe your side by side. Just look at what some pull wow.

* Your environments off and cant handle that massive ir from hps, ya'know that outdoors the sun is almost half this spectm and plants love it. Again poor skills learn how to make a hps work.

*Extremly long veg times - quit scrogging and stuff and grow fast smaller and more efficient - you will start loving cmh ansmd hps again. Veg time fuck with a lot of stuff, grow some leaf the go for bud dont grow massive plants unless outdoors as no lights are that great there :-)
 

Kingrow1

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You hate seeing the proof. It makes you cringe eh?
No see my above post, yawn me a river many of us have discussed why most side by sides arent very accurate. Your hps numbers 0.585 a watt suck long time :-)
 

growingforfun

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Ive seen many go full cycle and for one rrason or the other are over leds and back with the trusty hps or new cmh which seems super cool :-)
I'm coming into winter where the heat from hps is welcome so I'm not throwing money at LEDs right now, but this small test has impressed me a lot.

At the rate leds are improving I think its truly just a matter of time until nobody can deny they are a better choice.

I think that as I'm a long time "hps fanboy" it's a little differant when I say they are doing really well vs a noob who's first light ever is a led
 

Kingrow1

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I'm coming into winter where the heat from hps is welcome so I'm not throwing money at LEDs right now, but this small test has impressed me a lot.

At the rate leds are improving I think its truly just a matter of time until nobody can deny they are a better choice.

I think that as I'm a long time "hps fanboy" it's a little differant when I say they are doing really well vs a noob who's first light ever is a led
Leds dont defeat heat - again some mythical led quote based on bad science.

Conduction convection and radiation we teach here and most see how the whole led being cooler just dosent stack up and the part about ir being needed in large amounts.

If you like em go with it but im heavy on the actual science and promote peeps to climate control their house or at least the room the tent is in.

I guess those in wood shacks situated in a swamp at 50°celcius paying a buck a kilowatt hour are going to come at me next saying climate control for them in the advanced 21st century is impossible due to their weak ass approach to life and indoor growing :-)
 
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