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Mounting calls for changes to Canada’s justice system following the shooting death of OPP officer

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Throughout the community of Hagersville Thursday, tributes poured in for the fallen OPP officer, and blue ribbons were put up in honor of Const. Grzegorz Pierzchala.

Throughout the community, people were in shock over the news from the commissioner of the OPP. “I’m outraged over the fact McKenzie was out on bail and provided the opportunity to take the life of an innocent officer,” OPP Thomas Carrique said in a press conference Wednesday.

25-year-old Randall McKenzie, identified by police as being from the Mississauga’s of the New Credit First Nation is charged with first-degree murder in the police officer’s death, along with 30-year-old Brandi Stewart-Sperry of Hamilton.

Police say the officer was shot and killed Tuesday when he was called to help a vehicle in the ditch. The suspects were arrested several hours later.

The OPP commissioner says McKenzie had previously been convicted of numerous charges but was released on bail.

Haldimand-Norfolk MPP Bobbi Ann Brady says the bail system has to be toughened up, “this is a system that this young man chose to go out and uphold, and yet the very system he was out there to uphold failed him.”

Conservative Member of Parliament for Brantford-Brant Larry Brock says this follows what he calls the liberal government’s soft-on-crime policies, and people want something better, “they’re very angry they’re extremely angry at our criminal legal system that allows these dangerous offenders to be released without the appropriate supervision, the appropriate ability to protect our communities.”

Suspect Randall McKenzie’s family issued a statement expressing their condolences to Const. Pierzchala’s family, saying “we wish them healing and peace.”

The OPP commissioner also said in his statement that Const. Pierzchala was ambushed when he was killed. He was there to help a vehicle in the ditch but the commissioner says he was shot before he had a chance to defend himself. He didn’t use his gun.
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I do hope the government and courts are looking at making sure pre-trial detention or community safeguards are looked at. There was an obvious failure in this case as there was a warrant out for the one suspect since September.

Really surprised the OPP commissioner is commenting as much as he is. His comments when three of his officers were charged with manslaughter:

OPP Commissioner Thomas Carrique extended sympathies to the family in a statement Wednesday, saying it is "devastating when an innocent life is lost during an incident." Carrique said the OPP would not comment further as the case works its way through the courts.

If the suspects are found guilty after a fair trial, they will spend the rest of their lives in prison. Getting a fair trial gets harder and harder the more they share. Add in the aspect with a First Nation member, not sure I would want to be the Crown that has to take this to court.
 
OldMedUser

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CANON_Grow said:
How much weight do you think is hanging off those homes? Wonder if there will be some structural damage? If there is no damage, what a great advertisement for the home builder.
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My old man served on destroyers all thru WWII and told me about ice duty onboard when the ice could build up enough to flip a ship over. The north Atlantic was a frigid bitch at times.

:peace:
 
cannabineer

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OldMedUser said:
My old man served on destroyers all thru WWII and told me about ice duty onboard when the ice could build up enough to flip a ship over. The north Atlantic was a frigid bitch at times.

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out there at night with an axe, on a deck that is all shake rattle&roll, in gale-force winds hosing you down with icy seawater in subzero temps, doing their damndest to pitch you overboard … sounds like real cushy duty
 
DIY-HP-LED

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CANON_Grow said:
I do hope the government and courts are looking at making sure pre-trial detention or community safeguards are looked at. There was an obvious failure in this case as there was a warrant out for the one suspect since September.

Really surprised the OPP commissioner is commenting as much as he is. His comments when three of his officers were charged with manslaughter:

OPP Commissioner Thomas Carrique extended sympathies to the family in a statement Wednesday, saying it is "devastating when an innocent life is lost during an incident." Carrique said the OPP would not comment further as the case works its way through the courts.

If the suspects are found guilty after a fair trial, they will spend the rest of their lives in prison. Getting a fair trial gets harder and harder the more they share. Add in the aspect with a First Nation member, not sure I would want to be the Crown that has to take this to court.
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He's a member of a tribe and is not suppose to be a fair arbiter, he has to lead a force too, impartiality is the concern of the courts and not even the crown. We have an adversarial system of justice and the cops and crowns defend their side and the defense does the same, the only neutral parties are the judge and jury, the politicans STFU until there is a verdict. That's just the way things are in our system of justice and enforcement, they used to have unkind things to say about gays and pot users at one time. Back in the early 60's the OPP had the fruit machine FFS!

We need to tighten up parole or release based on individual assessment not on some blanket edict from Ottawa. I understand the motivation and studies behind it, prison is a school in crime for some and most come out worse for the experience. Too many are walking around with multiple releases against them while still doing crime.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
out there at night with an axe, on a deck that is all shake rattle&roll, in gale-force winds hosing you down with icy seawater in subzero temps, doing their damndest to pitch you overboard … sounds like real cushy duty
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Did a couple of weeks on a fishing dragger in my youth, it is an awesome experience when you look out through the rapidly spinning windshield wiper to see a mountain of sea water above you and coming right at you! Then the ship rises to meet it with the wave breaking over the bow and bridge, lose power and broach (turn sideways to the wind) and yer as good as dead. I never went back after getting in, though the money was good, pack several spare pairs if you try! Also sea sickness in such weather will make most wish they would die, even those with a strong stomach.
 
CANON_Grow

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DIY-HP-LED said:
He's a member of a tribe and is not suppose to be a fair arbiter, he has to lead a force too, impartiality is the concern of the courts and not even the crown. We have an adversarial system of justice and the cops and crowns defend their side and the defense does the same, the only neutral parties are the judge and jury, the politicans STFU until there is a verdict. That's just the way things are in our system of justice and enforcement, they used to have unkind things to say about gays and pot users at one time. Back in the early 60's the OPP had the fruit machine FFS!

We need to tighten up parole or release based on individual assessment not on some blanket edict from Ottawa. I understand the motivation and studies behind it, prison is a school in crime for some and most come out worse for the experience. Too many are walking around with multiple releases against them while still doing crime.
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The people under his leadership will still need to interact with members from First Nations across the province. That relationship is tense at the best of times.(just for transparency, I'm not a member nor related to anyone of a First Nation or law enforcement) If he can't lead his officers without potentially fucking the Crown's chance at conviction(or at least weakening the options the Crown has), they have the wrong person in leadership.

I disagree with making it harder to be released from pre-trial detention, much prefer innocent until proven guilty. Why the suspect was not arrested when he broke the conditions should be the bigger topic discussed. They found the suspect quite quickly when motivated to. For the suspect to be released from pre-trial detention with the charges he was facing makes me believe there is a much bigger picture that we don't have details for. Our system is far from perfect, but getting released from pre-trial detention after being charged with a violent offence is not easy. Other crimes maybe, but not violent ones.
 
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OldMedUser

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cannabineer said:
out there at night with an axe, on a deck that is all shake rattle&roll, in gale-force winds hosing you down with icy seawater in subzero temps, doing their damndest to pitch you overboard … sounds like real cushy duty
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People were a lot tougher back then for sure. He ended the war as chief gunnery officer so probably didn't have to do that kind of duty by then.

He never talked much about the war and never owned a gun tho sure knew how to use one. Got me a Red Ryder BB gun when I was about 8 and let me buy a .22 air rifle when I was 12 with my paper route money then about a year later got a crossbow made by Whamo the Frisbee people that could easily knock down a deer or a man. Got a .22 semi about 14 and used to go out 'hunting' at the lake half the summer. After an encounter with a bear he borrowed the .303 from his friend at the cabin next door for me to take on my hikes. He wasn't anti-gun for sure but wasn't into them much. Same with fishing. Always had a boat to get out on the water with and just fished as an excuse to go. Some of the best times I ever had with him was out on the salt-chuck rarely catching anything. :)

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hanimmal

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CANON_Grow said:
How much weight do you think is hanging off those homes? Wonder if there will be some structural damage? If there is no damage, what a great advertisement for the home builder.
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That is a interesting question, that is some serious stress being put on those homes.

The ones in the background do look pretty historic though, so I would guess those front houses are used to icing up like that. But it would be cool to see it from the inside, and to know how the ice slips off that house, and what they have built in to minimize damage. Got to imagine their homeowners insurance bill sucks too, well I guess if that is how you guys do things across the lake.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Southernontariogrower said:
We should do project overgrow for real with good genetics..Thinking of going overboard and planting every yard with 4.
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Pot is so cheap it's not even worth growing for many, you can get it on the res for $40-60 an ounce or $200/lb. So, unless ya like something special, lights are hardly worth it and outdoor quality is not considered good. Illegal online dispensaries also sell it cheap and buy it cheaper from growers. It's a real job these days and hard work, the days of $2K and $3K a pound are long gone and the economies of scale and much more open markets are at play. Some folks might like to grow a few plants in the backyard and selling clones of early flowering varieties or auto flower seeds online could be something for Canada. You gotta love gardening to grow pot these days.
 
Rob Roy

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Pot is so cheap it's not even worth growing for many, you can get it on the res for $40-60 an ounce or $200/lb. So, unless ya like something special, lights are hardly worth it and outdoor quality is not considered good. Illegal online dispensaries also sell it cheap and buy it cheaper from growers. It's a real job these days and hard work, the days of $2K and $3K a pound are long gone and the economies of scale and much more open markets are at play. Some folks might like to grow a few plants in the backyard and selling clones of early flowering varieties or auto flower seeds online could be something for Canada. You gotta love gardening to grow pot these days.
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Your post makes sense.

The more government gets out of prohibiting or regulating a market the more the immutable laws of supply and demand come into play and free market benefits accrue to the consumer when real freedom prices occur.

Imagine if ALL the prohibitions of "legalization" were removed what the prices would be. Then expand that to other goods and service people like.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CANON_Grow said:
The people under his leadership will still need to interact with members from First Nations across the province. That relationship is tense at the best of times.(just for transparency, I'm not a member nor related to anyone of a First Nation or law enforcement) If he can't lead his officers without potentially fucking the Crown's chance at conviction(or at least weakening the options the Crown has), they have the wrong person in leadership.

I disagree with making it harder to be released from pre-trial detention, much prefer innocent until proven guilty. Why the suspect was not arrested when he broke the conditions should be the bigger topic discussed. They found the suspect quite quickly when motivated to. For the suspect to be released from pre-trial detention with the charges he was facing makes me believe there is a much bigger picture that we don't have details for. Our system is far from perfect, but getting released from pre-trial detention after being charged with a violent offence is not easy. Other crimes maybe, but not violent ones.
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I agree and he spoke in support of his officers, one of whom died. If police misbehavior is an issue, he fires them too for breaking the law or the rules. He is also allowed to comment publicly on policy and has some expertise in the area, if a public heath official shits on those who refuse to wear masks when mandated, I have no issue with it, same idea.

As for getting pretrial release, it should be based on character assessment and not wealth, like bail. We should be guided by our ideals, but we must also be pragmatic about public safety, quite often these individuals have a track record of violence, like this fellow. Why he is that way is not my concern, but should concern the judge, many people are fine while sober, but get them drunk and impulse control goes out the window. If they are rich like Trump in the states, they don't drink, but still can't stay inside normal behavioral boundaries, if Trump drank a few beers he would be something to behold!

What this guy was doing walking the streets with his history needs to be answered and someone needs to take responsibility, not for just this incident, but the national policy that allows it to happen.
 
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I agree and he spoke in support of his officers, one of whom died. If police misbehavior is an issue, he fires them too for breaking the law or the rules. He is also allowed to comment publicly on policy and has some expertise in the area, if a public heath official shits on those who refuse to wear masks when mandated, I have no issue with it, same idea.

As for getting pretrial release, it should be based on character assessment and not wealth, like bail. We should be guided by our ideals, but we must also be pragmatic about public safety, quite often these individuals have a track record of violence, like this fellow. Why he is that way is not my concern, but should concern the judge, many people are fine while sober, but get them drunk and impulse control goes out the window. If they are rich like Trump in the states, they don't drink, but still can't stay inside normal behavioral boundaries, if Trump drank a few beers he would be something to behold!

What this guy was doing walking the streets with his history needs to be answered and someone needs to take responsibility, not for just this incident, but the national policy that allows it to happen.
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Gladue principles?
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Gladue principles?
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Whatever keeps murdering lunatics off the streets and behind bars, rich or poor, crazy or sane. In industry we say safety first and the safety of this latest victim was a cop or it could have been any other innocent person who came by and wanted to help.

As for Gladue, I believe in equality under the law and it does not meet the standard, it is often more harm to native communities than to others. It's like some counties down south, they have special status for white people, same basic idea, justice based on race and ethnicity and contrary to common law. Or how about Alberta opting out of enforcing Canadian law and only enforcing those the local politicans like?
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
Whatever keeps murdering lunatics off the streets and behind bars, rich or poor, crazy or sane. In industry we say safety first and the safety of this latest victim was a cop or it could have been any other innocent person who came by and wanted to help.

As for Gladue, I believe in equality under the law and it does not meet the standard, it is often more harm to native communities than to others. It's like some counties down south, they have special status for white people, same basic idea, justice based on race and ethnicity and contrary to common law. Or how about Alberta opting out of enforcing Canadian law and only enforcing those the local politicans like?
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Inmate who escaped Winnipeg healing lodge turns herself in
A woman serving a life sentence for second-degree murder escaped a minimum-security healing lodge in Winnipeg late Monday night, then turned herself in roughly 14 hours later.

Correctional Service Canada (CSC) says Joyce Kringuk turned herself in to Winnipeg police shortly before noon Tuesday.

Staff saw the 42-year-old Kringuk fleeing the Eagle Women’s Lodge on Ellice Avenue through a back door around 10:15 p.m., and immediately contacted Winnipeg police.
winnipeg.citynews.ca

Inmate who escaped Winnipeg healing lodge turns herself in | CityNews Winnipeg

A woman serving a life sentence for second-degree murder escaped a healing lodge in Winnipeg, then turned herself in roughly 14 hours later.
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OldMedUser

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DIY-HP-LED said:
You gotta love gardening to grow pot these days.
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I think I'm hitting that wall myself. As of Valentines Day it'll be 22 years of continuous pot growing for me and I've run out of desire to grow. I've got enough stocked up to quit for a couple years but sitting on 4 mother plants I am still planning to do some breeding with but keep putting off getting started. 30 - 40 different strains in seed form waiting for a drop of water to get going. 4 plants I grew outside this past summer still hanging in the basement in clear garbage bags all full of hemp seeds so no more outdoor. 5 or 6 lbs in the freezer or bags around the house that need rendering into oil.

Time for new hobbies or resurrect some old ones. Recently bought a buttload of fly tying gear to replace all the fur and feathers I lost on the move up here in '01 so getting back into tying flies. Very good for keeping the old, arthritic fingers nimble. Want to do some leaded glass projects as well as record all my old vinyl records then sell the albums. Most were played once to record to tape then stored away in vinyl sleeves since the 70s - 80s. Some ought to be worth a few bux.

Not that I'll ever buy pot from the 'legal' shops tho.

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Budley Doright

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Pot is so cheap it's not even worth growing for many, you can get it on the res for $40-60 an ounce or $200/lb. So, unless ya like something special, lights are hardly worth it and outdoor quality is not considered good. Illegal online dispensaries also sell it cheap and buy it cheaper from growers. It's a real job these days and hard work, the days of $2K and $3K a pound are long gone and the economies of scale and much more open markets are at play. Some folks might like to grow a few plants in the backyard and selling clones of early flowering varieties or auto flower seeds online could be something for Canada. You gotta love gardening to grow pot these days.
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$20 for an ounce at res here. OG, golden haze, blue dream, etc.. I buy 2 every time I visit and have 6 different strains so ya growing is not a thing for me anymore lol. I’ve lost the magic, growing it every year since I turned 15 :(.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Budley Doright said:
$20 for an ounce at res here. OG, golden haze, blue dream, etc.. I buy 2 every time I visit and have 6 different strains so ya growing is not a thing for me anymore lol. I’ve lost the magic, growing it every year since I turned 15 :(.
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With the price of food lately people are gonna garden to eat, growing lettuce under lights might be more profitable in Canada than growing pot!
 
Budley Doright

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DIY-HP-LED said:
With the price of food lately people are gonna garden to eat, growing lettuce under lights might be more profitable in Canada than growing pot!
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I covered my garden last spring and planted grass. I am now retired (kind of) and may do a few potted veggies but I hate gardening. I spent my childhood weeding, rototlilering, digging up potatoes and onions, etc. and filling bins in cold cellar :(. I concentrated on cash crops at an early age, but sadly the cash has gone from the crops lol.
 
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