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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CANON_Grow said:
I don't think setting up additional special immigration programs for people from Hong Kong is a good idea, or fair to so many people from other countries. I would totally support additional special refugee programs for people that are fleeing violence or persecution. In my experience, people that are already economically ok are less accepting of the communities they are joining and are more likely to try and change those communities to be more like their country of origin. I am not saying we shouldn't accept any immigrants that are already economically ok, but we should not be adding more special immigration programs.
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Well we do give rich people special status and many of these folks are rich and business owners. Canada is about maxed out on immigration and if you let 1% in a year, that will be a lot more than half the country in 50 years. We need to maintain our culture too and integrate new people into it as best we can. We live in a modern multicultural society and immigrants come off of plane and fly back home for family events. They continue to be connected to their native cultures more using the internet to talk with the folks back "home" read the local news and watch football matches.

Though some are trying to adapt! :lol:

 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Budley Doright said:
The appropriate response would have been to stay the fuck out of it. He influenced the outcome and that was a bad response.
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Prosecutorial discretion lies with the crown, the government, especially where international issues are involved, we see this example of English common law played out in the USA too. Why do you think major US corporations get off without admitting criminal liability and pay a fine by cutting a deal? Because a criminal conviction is a death sentence for a public company, prosecute the people and fine the company, there were thousands of engineering jobs at stake. Many countries cannot do business by law with a company that is criminally convicted. Corporations are persons under the law and the crown can give people passes too, or even pardons. It was done for the good of the country and the law needs to be changed to prevent this from happening again by making executives and others criminally responsible and depending on circumstances, the public company avoids criminal liability.
In the US companies do this deal every day of the week with prosecutors, state and federal.
 
CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Well we do give rich people special status and many of these folks are rich and business owners. Canada is about maxed out on immigration and if you let 1% in a year, that will be a lot more than half the country in 50 years. We need to maintain our culture too and integrate new people into it as best we can. We live in a modern multicultural society and immigrants come off of plane and fly back home for family events. They continue to be connected to their native cultures more using the internet to talk with the folks back "home" read the local news and watch football matches.

Though some are trying to adapt! :lol:

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So what's the benefit to Canadians to give these wealthy people from abroad special status and the ability to bypass the normal immigration process? I'm not suggesting that immigrants should not maintain their cultural identity, I hope they bring and share the best parts of their culture here. I start getting concerned when people are using Canada as a place of convenience only and hurt all the people that already live here. For example, there have been several condo buildings being built in the city I live and were sold out immediately, if you wanted to buy a unit at at least one of the buildings, you could look at classified ads based in (I believe it was) Hong Kong where there were units being re-sold. Yes we need immigration, but we need to do it intelligently and deliberately and I would prefer we allow people from as wide of a range of countries as possible to prevent us from becoming just a baby India or baby China.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CANON_Grow said:
So what's the benefit to Canadians to give these wealthy people from abroad special status and the ability to bypass the normal immigration process? I'm not suggesting that immigrants should not maintain their cultural identity, I hope they bring and share the best parts of their culture here. I start getting concerned when people are using Canada as a place of convenience only and hurt all the people that already live here. For example, there have been several condo buildings being built in the city I live and were sold out immediately, if you wanted to buy a unit at at least one of the buildings, you could look at classified ads based in (I believe it was) Hong Kong where there were units being re-sold. Yes we need immigration, but we need to do it intelligently and deliberately and I would prefer we allow people from as wide of a range of countries as possible to prevent us from becoming just a baby India or baby China.
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I didn't formulate the policy on wealth, the world is their oyster. I'll give an example of enlightened social policy on immigration. Germany offers free college education to citizens and foreigners who qualify and there are only so many slots. They conducted a study and found that over half of the forgien students stayed and of those who didn't, they benefitted Germany too, they spoke the language, worked for and started businesses back home and promoted German trade and tourism and were a net benefit to the country.
 
CANON_Grow

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DIY-HP-LED said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1605729965995073538
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Talk about a useless exercise, with those exemptions there will be no changes really. Only people that file and potentially pay personal taxes in Canada should be allowed to own property here. I also believe that any foreign ownership should not be paying the same utilities cost as citizens or permanent residents, as an argument can be made that utilities are subsidized via taxes we pay on everything. Good idea, terrible execution.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CANON_Grow said:
Talk about a useless exercise, with those exemptions there will be no changes really. Only people that file and potentially pay personal taxes in Canada should be allowed to own property here. I also believe that any foreign ownership should not be paying the same utilities cost as citizens or permanent residents, as an argument can be made that utilities are subsidized via taxes we pay on everything. Good idea, terrible execution.
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Housing has become an international market and billionaires and funds are buying up houses in America and when they get enough, stop new construction using the governments and raise rents. Canada's taxes based on residency not citizenship, if you lived in a Caribbean tax haven and spent 6 months and one day outside Canada (except the USA) you don't have to pay Canadian taxes, but you can't have any connection to Canada like own a home here I believe and don't expect healthcare since yer not paying provincial taxes either and a healthcare card is proof of residence so is a driver's license.

One thing though, interests rates are rising, many people overbought and this will mean fewer potential buyers as house prices crash and they can't renew their mortgages due to high interest rates and low house valuations. Many people who can and are making their mortgage payments, will none the less lose their houses and swallow a big loss when the numbers don't add up at renewal time. The higher interest rates go to fight inflation the more likely this will happen.

Also an excess profit tax on grocery chains is dumb, they are all American controlled companies and most of our groceries come from America. They will just jack up the wholesale price on the other side of the border and make the money there. Free trade limits the governments ability to control companies and markets, interest rates too and damn near everything is a global commodity these days including food.
 
CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Housing has become an international market and billionaires and funds are buying up houses in America and when they get enough, stop new construction using the governments and raise rents. Canada's taxes based on residency not citizenship, if you lived in a Caribbean tax haven and spent 6 months and one day outside Canada (except the USA) you don't have to pay Canadian taxes, but you can't have any connection to Canada like own a home here I believe and don't expect healthcare since yer not paying provincial taxes either and a healthcare card is proof of residence so is a driver's license.

One thing though, interests rates are rising, many people overbought and this will mean fewer potential buyers as house prices crash and they can't renew their mortgages due to high interest rates and low house valuations. Many people who can and are making their mortgage payments, will none the less lose their houses and swallow a big loss when the numbers don't add up at renewal time. The higher interest rates go to fight inflation the more likely this will happen.

Also an excess profit tax on grocery chains is dumb, they are all American controlled companies and most of our groceries come from America. They will just jack up the wholesale price on the other side of the border and make the money there. Free trade limits the governments ability to control companies and markets, interest rates too and damn near everything is a global commodity these days including food.
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Yeah, the fact that housing is becoming nothing more than a commodity is concerning. All the more reason to not allow non-residents to own property or housing. I would be okay if there was an additional tax, say 20 times the normal property tax and keep the market open to anyone.

I am almost certain there will be some sort of "bridge" mortgages made available to families that don't own multiple properties that are under water on the mortgages. Now the people that are caught up with multiple properties are in trouble, but they should have known the risk when making an "investment" decision.

Going to have to disagree on the excess profit tax, as well as them being American owned. Loblaws and Empire are both Canadian, majority owned by Canadians. That's pretty defeatist to think the wealthy will just be able to maintain that level of profit no matter what. This is not the new baseline, it can't be. At some point the cold and hungry turn their pitchforks to the ones at the top. One of the things that the young people of the next generation seems to have a much better grasp at is a responsibility to community; less greed, more concerned about the weak, the environment, equal treatment.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CANON_Grow said:
Yeah, the fact that housing is becoming nothing more than a commodity is concerning. All the more reason to not allow non-residents to own property or housing. I would be okay if there was an additional tax, say 20 times the normal property tax and keep the market open to anyone.

I am almost certain there will be some sort of "bridge" mortgages made available to families that don't own multiple properties that are under water on the mortgages. Now the people that are caught up with multiple properties are in trouble, but they should have known the risk when making an "investment" decision.

Going to have to disagree on the excess profit tax, as well as them being American owned. Loblaws and Empire are both Canadian, majority owned by Canadians. That's pretty defeatist to think the wealthy will just be able to maintain that level of profit no matter what. This is not the new baseline, it can't be. At some point the cold and hungry turn their pitchforks to the ones at the top. One of the things that the young people of the next generation seems to have a much better grasp at is a responsibility to community; less greed, more concerned about the weak, the environment, equal treatment.
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If the corporations are majority Canadian owned, many of the products are not, they come from America, even produce. We are in a continental economic system with America and not part of the EU. Indeed the capitalist economic system is based in America and Europe and fundamental changes have to happen there. More and more economic matters are out of national governments control, that's just the way things are. The liberal party tries to walk a line between the realities of American capitalism and Scandinavian socialism, particularly when in minority governments with the NDP.

An excess profit tax would be hard to implement, companies can structure their affairs so that it doesn't show up as profit and are pretty slippery, it would be like trying to nail jelly to a tree. It would also end up working like a made in Canada oil price, it's a global commodity and such polices don't work. Anti trust and more competition would be my favorite route break them up an encourage independent wholesalers and grocers using policy and law. Canadians have always been skinned on retail prices, it's a tradition.
 
CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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DIY-HP-LED said:
If the corporations are majority Canadian owned, many of the products are not, they come from America, even produce. We are in a continental economic system with America and not part of the EU. Indeed the capitalist economic system is based in America and Europe and fundamental changes have to happen there. More and more economic matters are out of national governments control, that's just the way things are. The liberal party tries to walk a line between the realities of American capitalism and Scandinavian socialism, particularly when in minority governments with the NDP.

An excess profit tax would be hard to implement, companies can structure their affairs so that it doesn't show up as profit and are pretty slippery, it would be like trying to nail jelly to a tree. It would also end up working like a made in Canada oil price, it's a global commodity and such polices don't work. Anti trust and more competition would be my favorite route break them up an encourage independent wholesalers and grocers using policy and law. Canadians have always been skinned on retail prices, it's a tradition.
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Antitrust and more competition is the least Canadian idea ever, at least in my lifetime. In fact, I bet it would be easier to get the telco's and grocery chains to pay more tax than to allow more competition. More competition would be awesome but not gonna happen.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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DIY-HP-LED said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1607488288423559168
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looks about right...people would rather live in any other developed country in the world where they don't have to worry about themselves or their children being killed in a daily mass shooting...
and we did elect a fuck nut moron as president, who then spent 4 years insulting half of the world and sucking the dicks of the other half...the wrong halfs...that has to be appealing to the rest of the world.
 
CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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www.therecord.com

Toronto-Waterloo tech workforce expected to surpass Silicon Valley in 2023

‘We are growing 350 per cent faster than Silicon Valley,’ says Chris Albinson, chief executive officer at Communitech in Kitchener
www.therecord.com www.therecord.com

Good to see and bodes well for the future. Just need to get housing and rapid transit developed faster. It's nice to hear the positive aspects of this cold ass country during these dull grey days.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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CANON_Grow said:
www.therecord.com

Toronto-Waterloo tech workforce expected to surpass Silicon Valley in 2023

‘We are growing 350 per cent faster than Silicon Valley,’ says Chris Albinson, chief executive officer at Communitech in Kitchener
www.therecord.com www.therecord.com

Good to see and bodes well for the future. Just need to get housing and rapid transit developed faster. It's nice to hear the positive aspects of this cold ass country during these dull grey days.
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they need to look very hard at the socio-economic impacts that the growth of "silicon valley" had on the local community...
gentrification, higher rents...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-14/silicon-valley-s-people-problem-explained
https://sevenpillarsinstitute.org/ethics-study-silicon-valley-housing-crisis/
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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A lot of people out on bail or release orders continue to crime while out, they need to filter them better. The guy who hit and run me had 3 conditional releases and now probably has another. Not that these things are a bad idea, it's just that they too often have a bad out comes when not applied correctly or with proper assessment, more customization and less group justice.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1608424364587843593
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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DIY-HP-LED said:
A lot of people out on bail or release orders continue to crime while out, they need to filter them better. The guy who hit and run me had 3 conditional releases and now probably has another. Not that these things are a bad idea, it's just that they too often have a bad out comes when not applied correctly or with proper assessment, more customization and less group justice.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1608424364587843593
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WTF Canadia? where am i going to flee to when the shit hits the fan if you guys can't keep this kind of shit on the other side of the border?
 
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