Brown spots on my plants!!

Wow, and I thought pot was supposed to make people mellow! I'm glad I at least got an honorable mention from babygro.

I was going to mention that the soil looked very poor as well but didn't care to go on too much without knowing more. But, now I will elaborate a bit on my opinion. I can safely say that is not the best way to start seeds or cuts, as seen in the attached pics. Neither the soil nor the cups are appropriate. I prefer an item called Oasis Horticubes. They are softer than rock wool and therefore let sprouts root much faster and easier, hence bigger, bushier plants sooner. Plus they don't fuck with your ph like rock wool. All you have to do with them is pre-wet them to use and then just keep them damp. I keep them in a clear covered flat or tray with a heat mat under them, on the same timer as the lights. For germination and clone lights I use cheap AgroSun full spectrum flouros or cheaper Gro-Lux, right down almost touching the cover. With the cover in place the space inside is like a mini rain forest and plants thrive in there and seeds burst open in record time. To water I simply lift the cover and put enough water in to keep the cubes damp. I have roots 6" long in less than two weeks off of cuts and same off a seed dropped into the cube. So easy and almost 100% success, all things considered! Once rooted, simply drop into a rock wool block, Hydroton rocks, soil, whatever. I have also been telling folks in a different thread to not close that hole in the cube around a seed or cutting as they both need oxygen to grow. All you need do is drop a seed into the hole, making sure it is in good contact with the bottom of the hole but not punched into the material. It does not matter a bit which way the seed is pointed, either! Just drop it in and if it is a viable seed, it will sprout. Another nice thing about leaving the hole open around the seed is you don't experience stem rot in youngsters. Okay, I have held council long enough. BabyGro is probably pissed about something else so I will sign off. I can only hope he/she has taken time to sample a bit of his/her own-grown commodity, eh?

Spittn4cash said:

---with all due respect to you and to your knowledge---

chill the fuck out and stfu.

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You're the one who needs to chill out because you've got it completely wrong.

I may well have been a little over-enthusiastic in my critcism of others, but my diagnosis of the problem was spot on.

Spittn4cash said:

I agree that the cups need drainage hole,

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Well that's nice.

Spittn4cash said:

but thats obviously not the problem here. IF you had been reading everything that BB has been saying, you'd see that: so its obvious the moisture of the soil is fine at this point.

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It is the problem here, or at least a contributor to it.

You even mentioned in his journal yourself that they 'looked overwatered' yet are now saying they were fine at this point?

Spittn4cash said:

and if YOU had a fucking clue you would know that you cant get burned by drainage holes..

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Who said anything about those plants being burnt? I didn't, you did. That's where you've gone wrong, they're not burnt from over-fertilisation. They're nutrient deficient from the water-logged soil they're in. Those seedlings are no more than 4 days old, yet the cotyledon seed leaves have already started to yellow and brown, indicating the plant translocating reserve mobile nutrient elements like N from those leaves to other parts of the plant like its true leaves because it cannot get any nutrients from the soil.

My current plants are now nearly 4 weeks old from popping the soil surface and are still in the 1L 4" pots they germinated in, only just now are the Cotyledon seed leaves on a couple of the larger plants beginning to yellow and die as the plant moves the mobile elements to other parts of the plant. It's saying my nutrient reserves in this pot are nearly exhausted, pot me up to a fresh pot of soil and nutrients soon please.

That's 4 weeks, this guys Cotyledon leaves have yellowed within 4 days, how can you claim that is a result of light burn and nutrient burn?

The first pair of true leaves are mostly green and healthy, although with a browning tip, typcial of over-watering problems, how do you explain the light being the source of 'burn' when the top leaves are green and healthy and its the Cotyledon seed leaves that have yellowed? And nutrient burn does not show itself in fading yellow Cotyledon leaves either!

Read this on over-watering -

4. Overwatering - this practice only serves to weaken the root system by depriving the roots of proper gas exchange. IOW, the roots are not getting enough oxygen which creates an anerobic condition causing root decline and root rot with the end result showing up as leaf stress, stunted growth, and in severe cases, death. Alot of times folks think the plant is not getting enough plant food (which it can't under such adverse conditions), they add more nutes for a "curative", and just add insult to injury.

Spittn4cash said:

if you check his journal you'd see his problems are not only that he had his lights too close, and no drianage holes but also his soil.

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I've looked in his journal, I see nothing in there that supports the view that the lights were too close, the top two 'real leaves' are NOT light burnt or damaged in any way.

Spittn4cash said:

The problem is not a nutrient deficiency, but an excess..

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Wrong.

The problem is an over-watering one, leading to nutrient deficiency and not 'nutrient burn' by 'hot' soil as you claim.

Your apology will be accepted.

laskabud said:

BabyGro is probably pissed about something else so I will sign off. I can only hope he/she has taken time to sample a bit of his/her own-grown commodity, eh?

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I only get pissed when I read crap from people who don't know any better.

If you don't know the answer to a question - don't answer it. No advice is better than bad advice.

babygro said:

You're the one who needs to chill out because you've got it completely wrong.
The problem is an over-watering one, leading to nutrient deficiency and not 'nutrient burn' by 'hot' soil as you claim.

Your apology will be accepted.

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man i dont feel like arguing today i got enuff shit on my mind.

but i will say if u dont see *what appears to be* the crispy brown edges on his true leaves then u need to look closer or look again.

he just said the soil was pretty dry.

his plants are 7 days old.

ur saying his 7day old plant has a nutrient deficiency when seedlings dont need to be fed..

U just said yours are 4wks old and are just now showing signs of nute def, how is his gonna be 1/4 the age but showing the same def ur showing? bcuz of overwatering? we already established his soil was pretty dry, so its obviously not overwatered at the moment.

lol I forgot to mention that his soil is an all-in-one potting mix that has pesticides and an all-in-one weed killer in it ..
heres the active ingredients->Bayer Advanced Garden™ - Active Ingredients

Spittn4cash said:

man i dont feel like arguing today i got enuff shit on my mind.

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Tough luck. You should have thought about that before you delivered your verbal onslaught on my diagnosis.

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but i will say if u dont see *what appears to be* the crispy brown edges on his true leaves then u need to look closer or look again.

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Are you now trying to tell me I'm blind? I've seen the brown burn marks on the leaf tips and I've already stated it's wholly consistent with over-watered and waterlogged soil and lack of nutrients - why don't you pay attention?

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he just said the soil was pretty dry.

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Don't go by what he says - he doesn't know what he's doing he's looking for guidance. The soil may well have been dry on the surface but it was probably waterlogged further down the pot and adding more water simply accerbated the problem.

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his plants are 7 days old. ur saying his 7day old plant has a nutrient deficiency when seedlings dont need to be fed..

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Have you not understood anything at all that I've said to you? his plant cannot get nutrients out of the soil because the soils waterlogged for gods sake - that's why it's nutrient deficient! Why are you going on about seedlings shouldn't be fed? Are you a moron?

Of course seedlings shouldn't be fed, in usual circumstances they should have sufficient nutrients in the soil to last them about 3-4 weeks of vegetative growth. This isn't usual circumstances and not everyone plants their seedlings in crappy non-draining soil, in polystyrene cups with no drain holes in them!!!!

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U just said yours are 4wks old and are just now showing signs of nute def, how is his gonna be 1/4 the age but showing the same def ur showing? bcuz of overwatering?

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Yes because of over-watering! Go back and read that excerp on over-watering I showed you and perhaps (hopefully, fingers crossed) your brain will finally kick into gear.

Spittn4cash said:

we already established his soil was pretty dry, so its obviously not overwatered at the moment.

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You've established it - I haven't! In any case I pay very little attention to what inexperienced growers tell me about the moisture content of their plant - 99.9% of them haven't got a clue how to assess it.

I'm still happy to accept your apology, although my patience is beginning to wear thin with you.

Hey now, I thought this was a place where newbies to growing pot could come to get advice? If this keeps up you will scare everyone away from here.
Everyone needs to chill out and help each other. We get that you have grown before, great! don't be an ass about it when asked questions. You don't have to reply to the posts you know. Nobody is perfect, nobody!

Man increase the peace the damn plant is dead now yall still fighting lol!!! one still strong though hope its not a boy ill kill that lil nigga lol holla thanks for all the input

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what about the soil? did u change it up? do you have drainage holes? stop by the lowes on Miles Rd. and pick up a 12 pack of Jiffy Cubes and a dome, leave the plants in the dome for the first 10 days then transplant into the soil you have and you will be much better off.

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LOL too late for that + i dont have a car yet lol their is a home depot up the street and 2 walmarts i can catch the bus 2 i perfer the one in mayfield its so organized lol they have everything if u come give me those seeds ill prob try your ideal!!

So, how are the plants?

Chiceh said:

So, how are the plants?

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ill find out when i turn the cfl's on in an hr.

home boy is right though, get a moisture meter they are like 10 dollars anywhere and don't make the soil wet but yet moist and when it drys out keep it that way for a few days, the roots will search for water thus making them have a stronger base which you will need and yes you need to drain that shit , looks like some MG top soil, bad choice bro get some good shit its not expensive but well worth it. the lights do not matter right now but you dont have to keep that soil wet its actually BAD, good job BABY

boricuaboi said:

Man increase the peace the damn plant is dead now yall still fighting lol!!! one still strong though hope its not a boy ill kill that lil nigga lol holla thanks for all the input

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I find this totally inappropriate for this or any other forum. We are supposed to be talking about growing herbs, not killing anybody!

babygro said:

I've seen the brown burn marks on the leaf tips and I've already stated it's wholly consistent with over-watered and waterlogged soil and lack of nutrients - why don't you pay attention?

Don't go by what he says - he doesn't know what he's doing he's looking for guidance.

Have you not understood anything at all that I've said to you? his plant cannot get nutrients out of the soil because the soils waterlogged for gods sake - that's why it's nutrient deficient!

You've established it - I haven't! In any case I pay very little attention to what inexperienced growers tell me about the moisture content of their plant - 99.9% of them haven't got a clue how to assess it.

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mann....what the fuck is u on? You talk outta yo ass and expect people to listen to you but you dont really be sayin shit. even when a ni99a come at you on some peaceful type shit like: "no offense..." "i aint really tryin to argue today" you still talk more and more shit, and then you just talk in circles and only hear urself. thats yo problem man.

aint nobody call you blind, I aint even attack you all like that but you still wanna talk shit. just stick to the facts man, stick to what you KNOW..you dont KNOw if my dude got holes or not.

that shows the arrogant asshole that you are, even after he just said it was dry you you "dont trust his inexperience"...?.... "you got to be a stupid mothafucka" to not know when your soil is dry...so how can U sit up here and talk about overwatering after the man just said it was dry? bitch, are u there? can U really see that much in his picture? can U see the bottom of his fucking cups? huh bitch? then y U keep pressing them damn holes?

I even showed you a list of the active inredients and you still sittin up here talking about overwatering, man get yo head out yo ass for a minute and look at what he saying to you, look at what Im saying to you.

I dont appreciate U callin me no moron and shit just bcuz U PMS'ing or whatever the fuck..bitch I'll be a moron, but Im a moron that know what the fuck Im talkin about.

Its the same reason U dont plant seedlings directly into miracle gro, but his soil is far worse than miracle gro... I've used the same shitty soil from marc's and the same thing happened to me with about 35 sprouts!!! and it is manufactured to hold moisture and then really dry out, so I believe that when someone says "its pretty dry" that it really gets dry!

I see y Videoman banned U now, we dont need mothafuckas like U cloggin up the board wit dumb shit...and U know what, its not even the shit you say that be dumb, its the way you say it, and how stubborn U are. you dont listen to or even CONSIDER anything anybody else is sayin, you HAVE TO BE RIGHT even when you dont have any proof that what u are saying is true, by that I mean you are not there with him looking at the plants so your diagnosis is as good as mine, even tho BB literally stay right up the street from me, Im not gonna go over there just to stick my finger in the fucking dirt. I trust he is smart enough to know when the shit is dry.

Im tired of fuckin wit U man, U talk way too much shit for me. even when we on the same page U still talk shit

Why are you going on about seedlings shouldn't be fed? Are you a moron?

Of course seedlings shouldn't be fed...

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his plant doesnt need nutrients at this stage!


i've had plants in overwatered soil for weeks and they never turned brown at the tips:


they did however yellow... but once I added a lil peroxide to the soil things started looking better:


so his is gonna start yellowing AND brown tips within 7 days?

I've also overfed my plants they turned brown overnight




so STFU about overwatering I know wtf Im talkin about, I been thru the same shit, in the same soil (not those pics above, but my very very first GJ I was using the same soil he is using and all of my seedlings did the same thing if they germinated in that shit)

like I said it was too much too soon...and a bunch of other shit he really dont need in the soil that can only hurt his grow.

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I find this totally inappropriate for this or any other forum. We are supposed to be talking about growing herbs, not killing anybody!

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lol he was talking about his plant, he hopes his only plant isnt a boy or he'll kill it.

lol I had to translate what he said n shyt..lol

boricuaboi said:

LOL too late for that + i dont have a car yet lol their is a home depot up the street and 2 walmarts i can catch the bus 2 i perfer the one in mayfield its so organized lol they have everything if u come give me those seeds ill prob try your ideal!!

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the one in mayfield is so small.. I like the severance one better. home depot? where?

If u go to wal mart they should have the jiffy cubes there..I dunno about the rockwool cubes tho. Wal mart only sells Mirale gro, hyponex (shit soil), and some off brand Peat moss stuff. I grabbed a couple bags of the miracle gro NOT the moisture control one tho ($3.50) and perlite ($2.50) and some jiffy cubes too ($1.9 and as long as U still got them CFL's you should have everything to get them started off.

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mann....what the fuck is u on? You talk outta yo ass and expect people to listen to you but you dont really be sayin shit. even when a ni99a come at you on some peaceful type shit like: "no offense..." "i aint really tryin to argue today" you still talk more and more shit, and then you just talk in circles and only hear urself. thats yo problem man.

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What a bunch of gibberish. I'm not responding to anyone who can't hold a discussion with civility. My assessment was correct, yours wasn't. It's as simple as that really, since you've been helping this grower, he's already lost one plant - good job you're doing.

Go away and learn a little about horticulture and come back to me when you have.

babygro said:

You people have't got a fucking clue.

Enough with the fucking lights already - that's not the problem!

The only person in this thread so far to have half an inkling as to that the problem is - was laskabud and even he/she went on about the lights!

Boricuaboi, get those seedlings out of those shitty polystyrene cups, which probably don't even have any drainage holes and get them into some decent compost/soil mixed with about 30% perlite and into some correctly draining 4" or 1L plant pots. Then understand how to water them correctly.

That's the problem, not the lights.

Keep the lights about 6 inches or more above those seedlings - they're not photosynthesising ffs why do you need lights 2 inches from them? They're putting down roots at the moment (and into some crappy poorly draining soil) they don't need huge amounts of light at the moment.

If you don't do what I've told you to do, those seedlings will die - end of story.

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i love the part where you say "Enough with the fucking lights already", and then YOU go on about the lights...

"Keep the lights about 6 inches or more above those seedlings - they're not photosynthesising ffs why do you need lights 2 inches from them? They're putting down roots at the moment (and into some crappy poorly draining soil) they don't need huge amounts of light at the moment."

fuckin' funny.
as usual.

babygro said:

What a bunch of gibberish. I'm not responding to anyone who can't hold a discussion with civility. My assessment was correct, yours wasn't. It's as simple as that really, since you've been helping this grower, he's already lost one plant - good job you're doing.

Go away and learn a little about horticulture and come back to me when you have.

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ur not gonna respond? hey dumbass isnt that a response?

Civility? ur the one who came out calling names, sound a lil middle schoolish?

like i said stick to what you know, you dont know if your diagnosis was correct, he never changed anything besides the distance of the lights, he never mentioned any drainage holes or any moisture problems, but I guess ur a psychic right? Ur so good you can look at a picture and tell him the color of his socks right? sound a lil silly? yeah so do you...

grow up and stop wining all the damn time, then maybe someone will listen to you. Obviously his plant died bcuz he couldnt get it out of the soil in time, im sure if he couldve he wouldve. Do a lil research next time you decide to bash a forum full of people.

ps fuck you i never apologized.

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like i said stick to what you know, you dont know if your diagnosis was correct

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I am sticking to what I know and I do know my diagnosis was correct.

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he never changed anything besides the distance of the lights, he never mentioned any drainage holes or any moisture problems

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And that's exactly why his plant died, he didn't act quickly enough to what the problem was, you were helping him in his grow journal, how did you allow this to happen?

He never mentioned any moisture problems? The guys a newbie grower, he's asking for help, he doesn't know how to water his plant correctly ffs. Anyone with half a braincell knows you don't pot plants up in polystyrene cups ffs !

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but I guess ur a psychic right? Ur so good you can look at a picture and tell him the color of his socks right? sound a lil silly? yeah so do you...

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I'm not a psychic, nor do I have any interest in what colour his socks are, however I don't need to be one to look at a picture of his plant and see that the Cotyledon leaves have gone yellow after a matter of days and I also know that this does not happen to plants with sufficient nutrients to feed on! When was the last time you saw a plants leaves go yellow from nutrient burn?

Your opinion is that the plant was over fertilised which caused the burning, how do you explain then that the Cotyledon leaves were yellow? Not burnt from nutrient burn - yellow from nutrient deficiency. The two top true leaves were healthy enough on the top of the plant with marginal tip burning. Leaves don't go yellow from nutrient burn!

You haven't offered a single explanation for this at all - because you don't have one, your diagnosis was wrong. It was nothing to do with the light nor was it over-fertilised. There's no burn or heat stress marks on the top leaves, neither is there any nutrient burn marks on any of the leaves and leaves "Rams Horn" with over-fertilisation - there's no curling under either.

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ur not gonna respond? hey dumbass isnt that a response?

Civility? ur the one who came out calling names, sound a lil middle schoolish?

like i said stick to what you know, you dont know if your diagnosis was correct, he never changed anything besides the distance of the lights, he never mentioned any drainage holes or any moisture problems, but I guess ur a psychic right? Ur so good you can look at a picture and tell him the color of his socks right? sound a lil silly? yeah so do you...

grow up and stop wining all the damn time, then maybe someone will listen to you. Obviously his plant died bcuz he couldnt get it out of the soil in time, im sure if he couldve he wouldve. Do a lil research next time you decide to bash a forum full of people.

ps fuck you i never apologized.

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wtf is this?