Breeding 101 Subs Method

Tweexican

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So to simplify this "breeding" process... does Sub layout that he takes other "breeder's" genetics that they've taken years to perfect and just start selectively breeding them out with other "breeder's" work?

It seems, without other breeder's work to start with, Sub would be nowhere. No disrespect of course... I actually have about $200 of Subcool's crosses on its way to my house. I just want to be clear of what I purchased...
 

MMAFanatic

Active Member
I totally ran across your posts twice at random
It wasn't until this post that I realized you are breeder.
You are full of great info and feel dumb for not realizing you knew this much.
I will definitely try some of your beans from the Tude due to you being a real guy in for the love of it and not the money
I am four grows in and working on number five number six will be with your beans
one day I hope to mix something memorable like you do
 

MMAFanatic

Active Member
I totally ran across your posts twice at random
It wasn't until this post that I realized you are breeder.
You are full of great info and feel dumb for not realizing you knew this much.
I will definitely try some of your beans from the Tude due to you being a real guy in for the love of it and not the money
I am four grows in and working on number five number six will be with your beans
one day I hope to mix something memorable like you do
I make zero money on it I just do it cause I like it. I am not even currently smoking which is even crazier I know
 

MoNk0

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So to simplify this "breeding" process... does Sub layout that he takes other "breeder's" genetics that they've taken years to perfect and just start selectively breeding them out with other "breeder's" work?

It seems, without other breeder's work to start with, Sub would be nowhere. No disrespect of course... I actually have about $200 of Subcool's crosses on its way to my house. I just want to be clear of what I purchased...
Do you realize that 99% of the strains on the market are bread with other strains that at some point where bread by a breeder other then the one breading at that point? How do you think there are as many strains as there are out there? So I don't understand how you can pick sub out of the bunch and down how he breeds? Anyone with the knowledge to make some dank ass strains like sub should be breeding, whether the strains started with what other people bread or not.. Just my 2 cents


Oh PS.. go to the nirvana seeds portion on attitudes website and look at the description for bubblicious.. It was originally bread in Indiana and brought over to Holland and perfected.. Well Nirvana wasn't the original breeder of bubblicious but they perfected it and now sell it as there own..
 

Tweexican

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I hear true breeders are commended from working with true landrace strains. That's just what I hear.

Plus, I hear the true way to test the skills of a breeder is to mark the stability of their "strains" across at least 5 generations. I hear some of the hybrids (I use hybrids because they're not really strains) Sub creates are a crapshoot past the 2nd generation. Its just what I hear. Again, I already have spent a good amnout of money waiting on these genetics.

I'm thinking about starting my own breeding business starting with Sub's seeds. I'm sure I could create some crazy crosses with some of Sub's stuff and Rez's. So we take a few packs of each type of seed, grow 20 or so plants and work from there no?

That was all stupid talk... but i want to leave you with a question. Food for thought if you will.

"WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BREEDER AND A SEED MAKER?"
 

subcool

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Its not as easy as it may look and I do not call myself a breeder FYI
Its takes an Eye for Dank that in my experience is a rare gift.
With 5 Top Ten wins and a Cup win I think I am on target most days

Sub
 

NONHater

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Its not as easy as it may look and I do not call myself a breeder FYI
Its takes an Eye for Dank that in my experience is a rare gift.
With 5 Top Ten wins and a Cup win I think I am on target most days

Sub
And thank you for this!
 

SCCA

Active Member
Its not as easy as it may look and I do not call myself a breeder FYI
Its takes an Eye for Dank that in my experience is a rare gift.
With 5 Top Ten wins and a Cup win I think I am on target most days

Sub
To take a phrase from another online community: PWNED
 

shishkaboy

Well-Known Member
Its not as easy as it may look and I do not call myself a breeder FYI
Its takes an Eye for Dank that in my experience is a rare gift.
With 5 Top Ten wins and a Cup win I think I am on target most days

Sub
well i would def call you a breeder. i can tell you got da dank just look at your pics. it was after i decided on other gear that i found the 2010 menu. it is things like that menu that make tga my fav company i havent even had the pleasure of even testing anything. its the fact that u are not hiding anything u give so much info on pheno's and how to maximize everything. i really cant wait to get some tga gear i am so upset at myself for not waiting and buying imposters i thought i was getting "da famous cheese plant". i got like 3 phenos to pick from whick im ok with but none remind me of cheese yet so i have to keep even the runt around til harvest. my question for you is i was gifted some cheese backcross seeds and i was reasearching how they got the backcross and it was stated
"Its a two times backcross of the original UK Cheese clone outcrossed to a Dannyboy male. Its pretty stable for cheese traits and is very much a hybrid." what are the odds of Pistils having a good danny boy male? (i did notice a message from a subcool to him in a thread where the backcross was the topic) if so any info for me on danny boy? thanks in advance
 

lbezphil2005

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Just for the record no ones get to the point they dont like people saying thanks.
Its my one flaw with this site. I feel people dont see me as reg people and dont respond as often.
I wake and bake just like you guys and what you think of be means a lot!!

Compliments always welcome.

Sub

I absolutely love this, bro. You have yourself a good day, alright!?!
 

WeBreedGreatness

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this was the most informative shit i have seen in quite a while, thank you sub! maybe one day i will be able to throw your genetics into my mix!

Tweex had me thinking though. at what generation does hybrid vigor cease? i think by what he is saying, when you grow out a strain for a while the "vigor" is lost, so the genetics weren't "stable". but i think thats why people make such a big hype about F1 seeds, the "vigor"
 

Cerebralone

Member
Just a regular guy who wakes and bakes like me huh? Maybe back in 08 when you wrote that.
The information presented was excellent and offered a tremendous amount of insight into your breeding process and program. All I see lacking is a dbase and strain archive (A cryo-freeze for older strains would be nice for instance, like the one we keep in the arctic in case the planet dies, but I am sure you have a vacuum sealer). All in all it seems so very well thought out. I wonder how much better you've gotten?
I myself am old school. I still use MHs for flowering and I still love Garlic bud and any type of Indonesian sativa. I like to think I helped Orange bud along when I was younger. (I raised and back crossed an orange flavored skunky sativa with an afghan to get the fast growth of the afghan with the higher yield, taste, overall look, and smell of the sativa using a method not unlike yours).
There was a group of us back then in NY, and we used to all send pics into HT under the moniker Prof. Afghani. Some made it some didn't. But it was the same thing I think; as I became more and more known where I was from I had to run further away. I was in a bagel shop when the two people in front of me were raving about the "great nugs" they got from a local grower with my name. They didn't know me or they would have said hello I am sure. I exited stage right, closed down shop and started looking for a new place to live. But then I was afraid of jail time, green merchant was still fresh on everyone's minds and there were no legal places for pot outside of A-dam back then and the 2 years I spent there weren't very productive.
So I do understand people being impressed with what you have accomplished. And I understand your need to express that you are another talented horticulturist (Agriculturalist as well) but that doesn't make you god. Or does it? Before my time was over in the last state I lived in (I was about tired of people chasing me for gardening, its absurd) I gave away all of my genetics. From my original, vacuum sealed chocolate Tai seeds (Ends up growing out to be red haired sativa) to my newest orange crush back cross. I gave them all away. 2 years later I revisited my old stomping ground to find the quality of the local herb had gone up exponentially due to some schmuck giving away top notch genetics for free. Glutted the market and no one could get high prices for their outdoor for the next few years till they all introduced the new genetics in with it. Man, that was more notoriety than I ever wanted, and I am glad no one really figured it out. Except those I gave them to, and I came back to more free bud and praise then I could ever accept. Well maybe not the free bud, I can always accept that.
In all I guess I went from no one to someone to no one all in one fell swoop. It reminded me of my early years training martial arts. I remember when I couldn't punch, and then I learned how to punch. Then I forgot how to punch and it strikes by itself now. I guess what I am saying is I transcended from artless to art to artless again. I try and strive for the same for everything I do. Your mom was right but it was my dad that always told me that and it had a small twist. Not only is anything worth doing worth doing right, but anything worth doing in life always takes hard work and practice. Please, by all means, after sampling your strains, I would like to ask you to keep up the good work. You deserve the praise and recognition you get for sure.

-Cerebral
 

Rjstoner

Active Member
Great thread so much easier to understand with strain examples rather than the old aA Ab Ba Bb explination most give

Thanks for the great genetics and threads subcool
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sensisensai

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+Rep Good write up. Just popped a ten pack of spacequeen last week. Cool to see what went into it. Wed love to see ya at omcu if ur ever in town bud. Thanks again for all ur doing
 

Don Gin and Ton

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bumpin this cos i really want to know too! props sub some excellent tips in the posts. have you any suggestions on a reputable IBL seed supplier?

well i would def call you a breeder. i can tell you got da dank just look at your pics. it was after i decided on other gear that i found the 2010 menu. it is things like that menu that make tga my fav company i havent even had the pleasure of even testing anything. its the fact that u are not hiding anything u give so much info on pheno's and how to maximize everything. i really cant wait to get some tga gear i am so upset at myself for not waiting and buying imposters i thought i was getting "da famous cheese plant". i got like 3 phenos to pick from whick im ok with but none remind me of cheese yet so i have to keep even the runt around til harvest. my question for you is i was gifted some cheese backcross seeds and i was reasearching how they got the backcross and it was stated
"Its a two times backcross of the original UK Cheese clone outcrossed to a Dannyboy male. Its pretty stable for cheese traits and is very much a hybrid." what are the odds of Pistils having a good danny boy male? (i did notice a message from a subcool to him in a thread where the backcross was the topic) if so any info for me on danny boy? thanks in advance
 
Hey sub, beautiful breeding thread!!! Thanks as I am in the middle of one myself and as a lover of your genetics i had to use some of them! I know you would only take this as a comliment! Thanks for all your help brother and i can see how it would be intimidating to follow up a subcool writing but i will say after talking with you at the cup you were one of the easiest people to talk to as just a chill guy, and I appriciated that so much. Love this new forum and glad to be apart of it! I have Apollo 13, SpaceJill F4, & QuerkleF2s in flower now which were just put in a week ago so will start thread on them in Indoor section soon. Thanks all. Peace, SENSI
 
hey sub, great read. I love your work, no doubt you breed tasty wares. I have been working toward a goal for years with out getting quite what I want but I'm close. It's an original Blue Sat x (dp) Cali O giving me Orange Satalite. I am going to start anew on this cross usuing my B Sat mom & your Agent O to father her (my BS is clone only now or I would run it both ways) since it's your strain & you have posted what the fem phenos are like I was wondering if you could give me a heads up on what I'm looking for in a male. I know I should list what I'm after in this cross, however since I'm starting something new I would like you advice on male selection and start from there. Thanks in advance bro & of course I'll keep you posted on my progress.
 
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