Bomb wake up call

Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Stalin is dead and his intentions are a matter of historical fact. I'm Canadian and we were at war a week after the UK in 1939. American industry was geared up for war since the late1930's when European arms orders flowed in. Stalin murdered most of his top military officers and it was only post WW2 when he had the mighty red army at his command that such things became possible. Pre WW2 Finland defeated the Red army FFS, it was the German attack that really created the red army, but not before massive losses of men and territory. Churchill knew of Stalin's post war ambitions, Roosevelt not so much, Truman was a fast learner.
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The US wasnt fit to jump into Europe until Hitler was already defeated in the East and in retreat. When it happened the US faced almost 0 resistance but that move was done to prevent the red army from totally overrunning Ger. In the aftermath the Russians felt greatly betrayed because of their enormous losses they had, which significantly weakened their evolution. Not so much with the US that had risen from a crippled economy after the great depression into a state where basically half of Europe was in debt to them for providing weapons.

Though I digress, I really don't really see the validity of your comparison of Stalin & Putin. Or the fear-mongering of a nuclear strike.
If Putin wants to cause a nuclear winter and senseless destruction he right now has all opportunity to strike Ukraine nuclear reactors & claim innocence via 'friendly fire' or so....
But usually a person aiming to set nukes free don't announce it in press beforeahead lol you think he is so simple?
It's a threat - to keep the West from interveining - so he gets what he wants - power, influence & lands back in Ukraine.
He hardly would gain an official russian legitimisation to invade Poland etc
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Kassiopeija said:
But usually a person aiming to set nukes free don't announce it in press beforeahead lol you think he is so simple?
It's a threat - to keep the West from interveining - so he gets what he wants - power, influence & lands back in Ukraine.
He hardly would gain an official russian legitimisation to invade Poland etc
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Wars have unintended consequences and Vlad never thought this one through, some people take threats from a nuked up mafia Don seriously. Welcome to cold war 2, until mother Russia shits out Vlad, the world has entered another more dangerous phase of history. It's gonna affect a lot of things in the coming years, energy policy the most and will accelerate the development of the green new grid and the deployment of EVs, especially in Europe. Europe is gonna get off Russian oil, the green new grid might not be as green as they want initially, but it will improve every year and demand for petroleum will also diminish.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CunningCanuk said:
I’m not getting much Russian propaganda because I’ve only heard Putin say that.
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He was a bit like Trump with that one, even his own allies did a double take! Zelenskiy is an ex Jewish comedian and apparently a good one too, so the Nazi thing is kinda a poor fit. He was also a widely known and popular TV personality in eastern Europe.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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ANC said:
germany is probably trying to buy some more gas from russia as we speak.
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They will buy it until they get alternatives in place and that will be happening this summer with a big infrastructure project to use LNG from tankers among other things. Gas payments and residual trade are the only things keeping the door open right now as details are cleaned up. You can't disentangle these things overnight without a lot of unnecessary pain on both sides, sanctions take time to bite.
 
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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DIY-HP-LED said:
He was a bit like Trump with that one, even his own allies did a double take! Zelenskiy is an ex Jewish comedian and apparently a good one too, so the Nazi thing is kinda a poor fit. He was also a widely known and popular TV personality in eastern Europe.
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Yes I know.

Zelensky is doing a great job trying to keep his country together and it looks like Putin underestimated him and his people. Putin is unstable and I don’t know what he will do if the Ukrainian resistance continues to thwart him.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ANC said:
I tried educating myself a bit today on Ukraine and realized that the situation is super complex and started with trying to start a right with a wrong.
None of this was justification for the attack but I understand that you can basically draw a diagonal line through the country with one half benefitting more from either Nato neighbors or Russia.

Unless we have a real 3rd world war against russia, I think the best scenario we might see will again be a west and est germany... now only the ukraine...
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Check up on the recent history in Kazakhstan to learn the "benefits" of being a citizen of one of Putin's satellite nations
 
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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CunningCanuk said:
It looks like Ukraine is done and a puppet will be installed.

I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the Budapest Memorandum of 1994. 30 years ago the US, UK and Russia promised to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if they destroyed their nukes.
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That may be true, but not for awhile and that could be very painful to Vlad, his pseudo empire is in an uproar with the small republics freaking out over an reemergent USSR, Vlad's dream is their nightmare. Places like Georgia and the various stans will will be a paradise for the CIA in the coming decade, payback.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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CunningCanuk said:
Yes I know.

Zelensky is doing a great job trying to keep his country together and it looks like Putin underestimated him and his people. Putin is unstable and I don’t know what he will do if the Ukrainian resistance continues to thwart him.
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Thwarting leads to bigly anger and a loss of self control. Putin fears the EU more than NATO which is why he needs buffer vassal states, he will need them more as the average Russian starts taking the economic hit. Russia is no longer a command economy, businesses can go under and people can lose their jobs, food is imported.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Kassiopeija said:
The US wasnt fit to jump into Europe until Hitler was already defeated in the East and in retreat. When it happened the US faced almost 0 resistance but that move was done to prevent the red army from totally overrunning Ger. In the aftermath the Russians felt greatly betrayed because of their enormous losses they had, which significantly weakened their evolution. Not so much with the US that had risen from a crippled economy after the great depression into a state where basically half of Europe was in debt to them for providing weapons.

Though I digress, I really don't really see the validity of your comparison of Stalin & Putin. Or the fear-mongering of a nuclear strike.
If Putin wants to cause a nuclear winter and senseless destruction he right now has all opportunity to strike Ukraine nuclear reactors & claim innocence via 'friendly fire' or so....
But usually a person aiming to set nukes free don't announce it in press beforeahead lol you think he is so simple?
It's a threat - to keep the West from interveining - so he gets what he wants - power, influence & lands back in Ukraine.
He hardly would gain an official russian legitimisation to invade Poland etc
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I disagree with your first sentence. The USA was in Britain and North Africa from early 1942. They also had their own issue of two fronts, with an aggressive opponent in the Pacific.
However, had Herr Hitler never grabbed the Russian tar baby, the USA would have prosecuted the war maybe a year later.

With the way history has gone, we have been spared the reduction of Berlin or the Ruhrgebiet to radioactive glass. So getting gutted by the Red Army was a sort of stroke of luck. There are no bomb memorials in Europe, only grim reminders of why we fought (death camp pic here).
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Kassiopeija said:
Doubtful. The Russians regard Ukraine as their homeland and the "Völkerrecht" gives him a bit of argumentational legitimacy here. Not so much vs the Balkan etc... he's not trying to re-establish the Warschauer Pact but to reclaim land & access to the Black Sea by portraying it as a domestic affair internally added by a huge propaganda hoax of "him vs the Nazi's".
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Oh ok, that’s what he’s doing, I honestly don’t know what he’s thinking :(
 
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CCGNZ

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Budley Doright said:
So like Trump you don’t feel being part of NATO is a good thing? You realize that without those defensive weapons now in place the whole of the Baltic’s and probably all of Eastern Europe would be under Russian control? These are questions that I would like to hear your position on, I’ll wait, thanks.
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The Russian Kaliningrad enclave is a illegally seized ww2 trophy,brimming w/armaments who sole Kremlin,a seriously armed salient purpose is to terrify the Baltic nations, an armed to the teeth salient whose sole purpose is to destabilize NATO's eastern flank,a dangerous potential flashpoint in further confrontations bet. Russia/NATO.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Budley Doright said:
Oh ok, that’s what he’s doing, I honestly don’t know what he’s thinking :(
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Putin's pinheads have to cite old history because Putin's recent behavior and revision of history cannot be defended. Ukraine became a sovereign nation in 1991. It doesn't matter either that the area was once under the control of the Golden Horde or before that, the Huns.
 
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cannabineer

cannabineer

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Kassiopeija said:
this is why there is so much russian propaganda out there calling the Ukraine leadership "Nazi's". He's trying to sell the invasion as a liberization
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Isn’t “liberate” the current euphemism for unilateral transfer of ownership or title?

“We didn’t steal these; we liberated them!”
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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@Kassiopeija is vomiting propaganda sent by this guy:

Alexander Gauland, a key figure in Germany’s far-right Alternative for Germany party, known by its German initials AfD, told the daily Neuer Osnabrücker Zeitung on Thursday that the invasion was a “result of past failures” and put the blame on NATO’s eastward expansion after the Cold War for violating “Russia’s legitimate security interests.” Mr. Putin has been more popular in the formerly communist-ruled eastern part of Germany, where the AfD has its political base.

Lulz. The invasion is due to past failures of Nato.

Well done kassie. You learned your lessons well.

link:

www.nytimes.com

Putin’s Aggression Leaves His Right-Wing Fan Club Squirming (Published 2022)

The Russian strongman has for years been idolized by a Who’s Who of populist, nationalist leaders. They are now stumbling over what to say.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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Fogdog said:
@Kassiopeija is vomiting propaganda sent by this guy:

Alexander Gauland, a key figure in Germany’s far-right Alternative for Germany party, known by its German initials AfD, told the daily Neuer Osnabrücker Zeitung on Thursday that the invasion was a “result of past failures” and put the blame on NATO’s eastward expansion after the Cold War for violating “Russia’s legitimate security interests.” Mr. Putin has been more popular in the formerly communist-ruled eastern part of Germany, where the AfD has its political base.

Lulz. The invasion is due to past failures of Nato.

Well done kassie. You learned your lessons well.

link:

www.nytimes.com

Putin’s Aggression Leaves His Right-Wing Fan Club Squirming (Published 2022)

The Russian strongman has for years been idolized by a Who’s Who of populist, nationalist leaders. They are now stumbling over what to say.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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after reading this article I see 0 relation to what I wrote. esp. since it mentions specifically "post-war/ cold-war"

nice try :wall: :finger:
associating me (again) with some right-wing scrubs
 
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