Bomb wake up call

Budley Doright

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Americans wanted to do the same when cuba put missles on the border.where you frustrated then as well?
So like Trump you don’t feel being part of NATO is a good thing? You realize that without those defensive weapons now in place the whole of the Baltic’s and probably all of Eastern Europe would be under Russian control? These are questions that I would like to hear your position on, I’ll wait, thanks.
 

Kassiopeija

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You realize that without those defensive weapons now in place the whole of the Baltic’s and probably all of Eastern Europe would be under Russian control?
Doubtful. The Russians regard Ukraine as their homeland and the "Völkerrecht" gives him a bit of argumentational legitimacy here. Not so much vs the Balkan etc... he's not trying to re-establish the Warschauer Pact but to reclaim land & access to the Black Sea by portraying it as a domestic affair internally added by a huge propaganda hoax of "him vs the Nazi's".
 

Rob Roy

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So like Trump you don’t feel being part of NATO is a good thing? You realize that without those defensive weapons now in place the whole of the Baltic’s and probably all of Eastern Europe would be under Russian control? These are questions that I would like to hear your position on, I’ll wait, thanks.
If missiles pointed at Russia close to their borders are defensive, could Russian missiles in Cuba, Mexico or Argentina pointed at the USA also be defensive?

I'll wait, thanks.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Doubtful. The Russians regard Ukraine as their homeland and the "Völkerrecht" gives him a bit of argumentational legitimacy here. Not so much vs the Balkan etc... he's not trying to re-establish the Warschauer Pact but to reclaim land & access to the Black Sea by portraying it as a domestic affair internally added by a huge propaganda hoax of "him vs the Nazi's".
Nice to know someone can read Vlad's mind! People are saying he appears mad, it could be a act, or he could be loosing his marbles. Stalin would have taken as much of Europe as he could, right up to the coast of France, Vlad is his heir.
 

amneziaHaze

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So like Trump you don’t feel being part of NATO is a good thing? You realize that without those defensive weapons now in place the whole of the Baltic’s and probably all of Eastern Europe would be under Russian control? These are questions that I would like to hear your position on, I’ll wait, thanks.
Considering nobody wants to help because russia bought america.blackmails europe with gas and has china as support. Nato is useless
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Considering nobody wants to help because russia bought america.blackmails europe with gas and has china as support. Nato is useless
Nuclear weapons have the most to do with it, Russia has 6000 of them and nobody quite knows if Vlad is mad. He might be crazy enough to nuke someone and it can rapidly evolve from there to something most unpleasant, your iphone would never work again!
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Nice to know someone that can read Stalin's mind!
If that's true then I don't understand why the American militarization for WW2 came so late?... >> Because you actually didn't knew.
Stalin is dead and his intentions are a matter of historical fact. I'm Canadian and we were at war a week after the UK in 1939. American industry was geared up for war since the late1930's when European arms orders flowed in. Stalin murdered most of his top military officers and it was only post WW2 when he had the mighty red army at his command that such things became possible. Pre WW2 Finland defeated the Red army FFS, it was the German attack that really created the red army, but not before massive losses of men and territory. Churchill knew of Stalin's post war ambitions, Roosevelt not so much, Truman was a fast learner.
 

amneziaHaze

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Nuclear weapons have the most to do with it, Russia has 6000 of them and nobody quite knows if Vlad is mad. He might be crazy enough to nuke someone and it can rapidly evolve from there to something most unpleasant, your iphone would never work again!
Soo owning most nukes means owning the world nice to know.allsoo helps he has anti missle diffence that can take out rockets outside of russia.meaning only border countries can nuke him rest would be activated outside of russia making frendly fire.soo there is a huge reason for him not wanting nato on his borders
 

CunningCanuk

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Soo owning most nukes means owning the world nice to know.allsoo helps he has anti missle diffence that can take out rockets outside of russia.meaning only border countries can nuke him rest would be activated outside of russia making frendly fire.soo there is a huge reason for him not wanting nato on his borders
Sooo I guess Poland and Romania are next?
 

ANC

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I tried educating myself a bit today on Ukraine and realized that the situation is super complex and started with trying to start a right with a wrong.
None of this was justification for the attack but I understand that you can basically draw a diagonal line through the country with one half benefitting more from either Nato neighbors or Russia.

Unless we have a real 3rd world war against russia, I think the best scenario we might see will again be a west and est germany... now only the ukraine...
 

amneziaHaze

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Could be.everybody is refusing to help nobody wants to war.and people attacking are not speaking agresive just playing stupid saying random shit.forcing rest of the world to be first to say we will start world war.
 

zeddd

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I tried educating myself a bit today on Ukraine and realized that the situation is super complex and started with trying to start a right with a wrong.
None of this was justification for the attack but I understand that you can basically draw a diagonal line through the country with one half benefitting more from either Nato neighbors or Russia.

Unless we have a real 3rd world war against russia, I think the best scenario we might see will again be a west and est germany... now only the ukraine...
Except the tanks have the Capital encircled which suggests total invasion and occupation
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Soo owning most nukes means owning the world nice to know.allsoo helps he has anti missle diffence that can take out rockets outside of russia.meaning only border countries can nuke him rest would be activated outside of russia making frendly fire.soo there is a huge reason for him not wanting nato on his borders
He already has NATO on his borders with the Baltic states. This is not about a military threat to Vlad, the EU is more of a threat than NATO, it's about democracy and the benefits of liberal democratic society, the people in Russia live like shit and Vlad needs a buffer. There are some aspects of cold war 2 he will like, it will isolate Russia from the rest of the world, not just the west.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Soo owning most nukes means owning the world nice to know.allsoo helps he has anti missle diffence that can take out rockets outside of russia.meaning only border countries can nuke him rest would be activated outside of russia making frendly fire.soo there is a huge reason for him not wanting nato on his borders
These days the USA has stealth cruise missiles that can strike from thousands of miles away and stealth drones too, you don't need to be as close any more and nuclear submarines are closest of all. War is well thought out and very nasty business these days, folks play for keeps.
 

Budley Doright

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Doubtful. The Russians regard Ukraine as their homeland and the "Völkerrecht" gives him a bit of argumentational legitimacy here. Not so much vs the Balkan etc... he's not trying to re-establish the Warschauer Pact but to reclaim land & access to the Black Sea by portraying it as a domestic affair internally added by a huge propaganda hoax of "him vs the Nazi's".
I have no clue what he is trying to achieve but by these actions I doubt anyone knows for sure what would have been considering what is happening now.
 

CunningCanuk

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I tried educating myself a bit today on Ukraine and realized that the situation is super complex and started with trying to start a right with a wrong.
None of this was justification for the attack but I understand that you can basically draw a diagonal line through the country with one half benefitting more from either Nato neighbors or Russia.

Unless we have a real 3rd world war against russia, I think the best scenario we might see will again be a west and est germany... now only the ukraine...
It looks like Ukraine is done and a puppet will be installed.

I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the Budapest Memorandum of 1994. 30 years ago the US, UK and Russia promised to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if they destroyed their nukes.
 

amneziaHaze

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These days the USA has stealth cruise missiles that can strike from thousands of miles away and stealth drones too, you don't need to be as close any more and nuclear submarines are closest of all. War is well thought out and very nasty business these days, folks play for keeps.
Yea like russia never hacked usa.every stupidthing you do you write somewhere allways
 
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