Blew my breaker, plug grounded?

Seriously people. 24 pages and nothing just speculation and nothing resolved. So many pages that the same questions are being asked that have already been answered numerous times.

This is a job for an onsite professional not an over the internet professional. I'm not implying that some don't know what they are talking about but I've been the guy to fix problems having almost 30 years in the IT industry. More often than not things are caused by some simple issue. But even so, getting all the information and communicating over the phone or internet with someone onsite that doesn't have experience with the technology ends up requiring a visit to the location where the issue is identified almost immediately. That's why I said to get an electrician back out there. Apparently all the plants have been moved and the electrician would have access to everything while they were there.

It's gone beyond a simple swap of an outlet to turning off the main power supply and fiddling around at the main breaker. I don't know about anyone else but if I was a licensed electrician I would not be comfortable giving advice over the internet to do that. We're not dealing with low voltage CAT 5 and toning out a network drop. We're dealing with enough voltage to kill a person at the main breaker.

Chances are that nothing bad would happen as long as they're careful but I've seen some bad things happen in the blink of an eye and I just think it's reckless to lead someone with no background or knowledge of electricity and wiring to do some of what's been done.

That's just how I feel and I'm not trying to have any issues with anyone. I've had many different jobs over the years and many of them had mandatory safety classes so maybe safety is embedded in my brain. I also worked in training at one time and delivered the safety training classes all employees were required to attend.

I just don't want to see anyone get hurt or damage their property.

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Not that I added anything other than to say stay safe.

xtsho said:

Seriously people. 24 pages and nothing just speculation and nothing resolved. So many pages that the same questions are being asked that have already been answered numerous times.

This is a job for an onsite professional not an over the internet professional. I'm not implying that some don't know what they are talking about but I've been the guy to fix problems having almost 30 years in the IT industry. More often than not things are caused by some simple issue. But even so, getting all the information and communicating over the phone or internet with someone onsite that doesn't have experience with the technology ends up requiring a visit to the location where the issue is identified almost immediately. That's why I said to get an electrician back out there. Apparently all the plants have been moved and the electrician would have access to everything while they were there.

It's gone beyond a simple swap of an outlet to turning off the main power supply and fiddling around at the main breaker. I don't know about anyone else but if I was a licensed electrician I would not be comfortable giving advice over the internet to do that. We're not dealing with low voltage CAT 5 and toning out a network drop. We're dealing with enough voltage to kill a person at the main breaker.

Chances are that nothing bad would happen as long as they're careful but I've seen some bad things happen in the blink of an eye and I just think it's reckless to lead someone with no background or knowledge of electricity and wiring to do some of what's been done.

That's just how I feel and I'm not trying to have any issues with anyone. I've had many different jobs over the years and many of them had mandatory safety classes so maybe safety is embedded in my brain. I also worked in training at one time and delivered the safety training classes all employees were required to attend.

I just don't want to see anyone get hurt or damage their property.

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At this point, I totally agree with you. Progress was being made this morning, and then everyone and their brother showed up to put in their two cents. Shit show. Moab says there's only farmer type electricians there. I think he needs to look a little harder to find a decent one. He has made progress today. However, something that could take some of us an hour to diagnosis, could kill him in the process of his trying. I'm ejecting myself out of this thread.....

xtsho said:

I just think it's reckless to lead someone with no background or knowledge of electricity and wiring to do some of what's been done.

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And what exactly has been done that YOU think is so reckless? Shutting off his main OUTSIDE and removing his panel cover?
This is basic electric 101, homeowners should know this or we'd all go broke calling an electrician every time an outlet or breaker fails. Which they do.

He has not gone into this blind, and NOBODY in this thread wants to see him get hurt.

natureboygrower said:

And what exactly has been done that YOU think is so reckless? Shutting off his main OUTSIDE and removing his panel cover?
This is basic electric 101, homeowners should know this or we'd all go broke calling an electrician every time an outlet or breaker fails. Which they do.

He has not gone into this blind, and NOBODY in this thread wants to see him get hurt.

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Nothing has been done to me but this thread is 2 weeks old and still no resolution. The OP has been doing all kinds of stuff people they don't know or have any knowledge of their background have suggested.

Like I said, I don't have any issues with anyone it's just my opinion that at this point it's a job for a professional.

I'm out of this thread as well.

I hope @Moabfighter gets this issue resolved ASAP. Good Luck.

natureboygrower said:

And what exactly has been done that YOU think is so reckless? Shutting off his main OUTSIDE and removing his panel cover?
This is basic electric 101, homeowners should know this or we'd all go broke calling an electrician every time an outlet or breaker fails. Which they do.

He has not gone into this blind, and NOBODY in this thread wants to see him get hurt.

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Xtsho knows his shit. Same with Renfro and others. Also, you and the Boat guy. I'd like to think I do too. I've delt with this shit for 35+ years. The problem is, Moab hasn't had basic electric 101. Does he even know if the white, black, or copper wire; is the hot one? An attempt was made. A good one. I REALLY thought the problem was the pumpkin outlet. I was wrong. Renfro thought it was an AFCI breaker issue. He was wrong. None installed there. At some point, someone needs to call "Uncle". I'm calling it for myself right now, for the reasons that xtsho and others have said. It isn't worth risking someone else's life. Breaker off, or not. It's not worth the risk to me. Good luck guys....

Back to dealing with my bud rot. Great....

Dougnsalem said:

Xtsho knows his shit. Same with Renfro and others. Also, you and the Boat guy. I'd like to think I do too. I've delt with this shit for 35+ years. The problem is, Moab hasn't had basic electric 101. Does he even know if the white, black, or copper wire; is the hot one? An attempt was made. A good one. I REALLY thought the problem was the pumpkin outlet. I was wrong. Renfro thought it was an AFCI breaker issue. He was wrong. None installed there. At some point, someone needs to call "Uncle". I'm calling it for myself right now, for the reasons that xtsho and others have said. It isn't worth risking someone else's life. Breaker off, or not. It's not worth the risk to me. Good luck guys....

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It's probably gonna be something simple. My new guess is it's his girlfriends curling iron shorting out. Just need to unplug it.

PadawanWarrior said:

It's probably gonna be something simple. My new guess is it's his girlfriends curling iron shorting out. Just need to unplug it.

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Vibrator.....

PadawanWarrior said:

It's probably gonna be something simple. My new guess is it's his girlfriends curling iron shorting out. Just need to unplug it.

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Let's hope you win the office pool. Well, I kinda like the reply from darkweb too..... Lol

DarkWeb said:

Vibrator.....

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Lol, an I industrial one that can knock out the power, it's a brave new world. Time to buy a diesel.

Doug Dawson said:

Lol, an I industrial one that can knock out the power, it's a brave new world. Time to buy a diesel.

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It's got a big battery.

DarkWeb said:

Vibrator.....

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Those plug in wands are quite powerful, so I've been told.

xtsho said:

Nothing has been done to me but this thread is 2 weeks old and still no resolution. The OP has been doing all kinds of stuff people they don't know or have any knowledge of their background have suggested.

Like I said, I don't have any issues with anyone it's just my opinion that at this point it's a job for a professional.

I'm out of this thread as well.

I hope @Moabfighter gets this issue resolved ASAP. Good Luck.

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To be fair, OP left the thread for a spell and some mucking about went on. Not all of this thread was dedicated to ops original problem.
I understand your concern. But with that main breaker off outside, I personally did not see a giant red flag. Yes, i would agree a wand or meter is also important and would be helpful. Also recommended at the beginning of this thread.

I am so over "the little guy" getting it put on to them by trades( which I'vebeen in for over 20years, not knocking trades) Plumbers are getting if not $100/hr close to it. We have the net now, we dont necessarily need to call someone everytime we have a problem . Ive started working on and been succesful cleaning and changing out parts on my boiler. Mainly from advice from friends in that trade. Does this mean I think OP should open up his own electrical company? No, I just dont think it was beyond him to try and fix, with our help what we thought might be the problem.

Dougnsalem said:

Let's hope you win the office pool. Well, I kinda like the reply from darkweb too..... Lol

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Didn't think about that one. Funny thing is it's totally possible. But will his wife tell him if she does?

My wife and I almost really lit up our love life one night. The cord became exposed and shocked the fuck outta a blanket. Left a nice little burn mark. Luckily we weren't touching that part of the cord. Anyways it's been fixed now, lol.

PadawanWarrior said:

Didn't think about that one. Funny thing is it's totally possible. But will his wife tell him if she does?

My wife and I almost really lit up our love life one night. The cord became exposed and shocked the fuck outta a blanket. Left a nice little burn mark. Luckily we weren't touching that part of the cord. Anyways it's been fixed now, lol.
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That fucker looks more dangerous than what Moabs gotten himself into. I'm dying

PadawanWarrior said:

Didn't think about that one. Funny thing is it's totally possible. But will his wife tell him if she does?

My wife and I almost really lit up our love life one night. The cord became exposed and shocked the fuck outta a blanket. Left a nice little burn mark. Luckily we weren't touching that part of the cord. Anyways it's been fixed now, lol.
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Holy fuck! You build your own?

natureboygrower said:

That fucker looks more dangerous than what Moabs gotten himself into. I'm dying

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Works like a champ. Seriously though it's her favorite. If you haven't gotten one for your lady you should. Tell her it's for a back massage, and let things go from there, lol.

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natureboygrower said:

Those plug in wands are quite powerful, so I've been told.

To be fair, OP left the thread for a spell and some mucking about went on. Not all of this thread was dedicated to ops original problem.
I understand your concern. But with that main breaker off outside, I personally did not see a giant red flag. Yes, i would agree a wand or meter is also important and would be helpful. Also recommended at the beginning of this thread.

I am so over "the little guy" getting it put on to them by trades( which I'vebeen in for over 20years, not knocking trades) Plumbers are getting if not $100/hr close to it. We have the net now, we dont necessarily need to call someone everytime we have a problem . Ive started working on and been succesful cleaning and changing out parts on my boiler. Mainly from advice from friends in that trade. Does this mean I think OP should open up his own electrical company? No, I just dont think it was beyond him to try and fix, with our help what we thought might be the problem.

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I would tend to agree, safety first but with proper research I will try most anything. At my cottage I just fixed the damaged chimney pipe, cleaned the chimney and installed ice breakers. I do my own electrical, plumbing , built the deck, built the dock, repair the jet ski motors, boat motors, fiberglass hulls and any other things that pop up. That said it is good to realize when it's time to call a pro. I wont mess with my gas lines. Good luck OP, hope you get it sorted soon.

PadawanWarrior said:

Works like a champ. Seriously though it's her favorite. If you haven't gotten one for your lady you should. Tell her it's for a back massage, and let things go from there, lol.

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Electrician : 240?
You : I weld.....yes in the bedroom.....

PadawanWarrior said:

Works like a champ. Seriously though it's her favorite. If you haven't gotten one for your lady you should. Tell her it's for a back massage, and let things go from there, lol.

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Did you know you can hook it up to one of those variable speed contollers like we use on our inline fans? Ya know, if the high setting is too much

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I would tend to agree, safety first but with proper research I will try most anything. At my cottage I just fixed the damaged chimney pipe, cleaned the chimney and installed ice breakers. I do my own electrical, plumbing , built the deck, built the dock, repair the jet ski motors, boat motors, fiberglass hulls and any other things that pop up. That said it is good to realize when it's time to call a pro. I wont mess with my gas lines. Good luck OP, hope you get it sorted soon.

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Always an emphasis on safety. I wont call anyone until I do a little research first to see if its its something I may be able to do safely. Except automotive. I suck at mechanics.
And I agree, we are getting close to the end of being able to help OP. I wish i could change out that breaker for him.

OK. 1 more funny story about wands.

My ex girlfriends parents were out of town for the weekend and I came over. Well she had her moms wand massager on her nightstand, and when I saw it she got this really embarrassed look on here face. I then all of a sudden realized why she was so embarrassed. I never though about those hand wands like that. I just thought they were for muscles, but I learned something that day, lol.

natureboygrower said:

I am so over "the little guy" getting it put on to them by trades( which I'vebeen in for over 20years, not knocking trades) Plumbers are getting if not $100/hr close to it. We have the net now, we dont necessarily need to call someone everytime we have a problem .

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Dude brings in his car to me. He doesn't want to "waste" the money for me to diagnois it. He saw on YouTube that a code p4xxx is for a bad O2 sensor. (He had AutoCrap pull the codes for free for him). OK, I say! NO WARRANTY on the repair. I put in the 150 dollar sensor that he brought (I NEVER really put in a customers part. Do you take your eggs to be cooked at the restaurant for breakfast??? Yeah....) OH, WOW!!! That didn't fix his problem. NOW, he's wasted ~250 bucks, and decides to pay for me to diagnoise it. WHOOPS! He had a leaking intake manifold, that was tossing false codes in the computer.

This is why you pay a professional, and why they are worth it....