Nizza
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Bleach instead of H2o2
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skunkd0c
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algae will not harm your plants, but it does look ugly i guess, and could possibly help to block pumps etc
is this bleach addition for cosmetic value, i am aware dwc growers like to show off their root systems for some strange reason ?
marcy
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Sorry skunkd0c but I have to disagree.. Algae WILL harm your plants! I had a light leak in my dwc tank and got algae and the algae eats up your nutes and your plant don't get them, I no this from experience I got really bad nute lock out and had to clean tank,roots,air lines, air stones everything. Back on to the subject I have a really good grow book at home by a well none grower and it says in there you CAN use bleach and people have done for years but I'm the same as you lot I would much prefer to buy h2o2 just the fact of putting bleach in wouldn't make me sleep at night lol
does anyone use an ORP meter? I just got one and would like to discuss experiences.
also...kind of funny, but umm.... i stumbled upon this experiment some kid did. I know cannabis isnt grass, but check it lol.
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1y95-0ZjOf2S4FBds8UDOp0rOW_KNFSlswkE5VqgLf2M/embed?hl=en&size=s#slide=id.p20
ringlead3r
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Algae will only effect plants if you have a decent amount of algae small amounts really doesnt do much.. I've never had a bunch of algae, but I've notice no difference from a batch with very little algae and a batch with no algae.
choempi
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algae in hydro is not good, bleach works, it is only a very small amount 1ml gal or less. Better to get the setup right by eliminating any lingering fluid in the tub, I have no problems long time, but bleach does keep the hydro clean if u have a prob.
Does anyone know why plants including cannabis outdoor fed with nothing but soil and 100% organic fertilizers are fed with this chlorine tap water (california area you can smell it in the water) and grow perfectly fine and healthy.. Specially looking at all the fruits and vegetables that are grown with tap, just curious where the nutrients are coming from since the beneficials are being wiped out according to ev 1 here.
The ppms of chlorine in drinking water is so low that it doesnt really affect benificals as much as youd think. If they were they would do the cells in our body harm also, considering a lot of people drink litres of it everyday.
Ahh so as i suspected a bit of this info with regards to beneficials and organics incompatible to chlorine just isnt the case. So seems that acids and enzymes still activate nutrient availability in soil with chlorine, so i suppose chlorine should be pretty standard in aeroponics etc.
HeartlandHank
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There is no everyone here. Tons of opinions here on RIU... I kinda sense some pissy flavor in your post. No? If so, apologies.
Kinda like, you're not asking a question. You're making a point.
I agree. I don't think it is enough to kill everything in your soil.
It's like in my aquaponic system... I top it off frequently so I never add so much tap water that the chlorine kills off my bacterias/bio filter.
You can take it super far and feel good sleeping at night or you can say fuck it and just do what is easy. Either way, cannabis is a very easy plant to grow. You'll get buds with a little effort.
No i just started using bleach for first time 2 days ago, ive been reading as much as i could and realized some pretty consistent misleading info.
needlesnpins
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^^The deeper you dig the worse it gets...
I just put in 2/ml per gallon of clorox..i had 3ppms of free chlorine (according to test strip) for about 20 mins then it fell back down to .5 ...BUT Bromine levels stayed around 10ppm ... who knows anything about the relation of the two? i don't wanna fry them
I just put in 2/ml per gallon of clorox..i had 3ppms of free chlorine (according to test strip) for about 20 mins then it fell back down to .5 ...BUT Bromine levels stayed around 10ppm ... who knows anything about the relation of the two? i don't wanna fry them
Yes, bleach is healthy. The FDA recommends using it to disinfect drinking water in some situations.
Also you have to realize that just because bleach is put into the reservoir, does not mean that the bleach molecule remains intact inside the plant.http://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/Consumers/ucm077029.htm said:
In fact, bleach dissociates into Na+ and OCl- and only some of the hypochlorite ions are transported into the plant itself where they are eventually metabolized.
JohnnySocko
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revising an old thread but +rep anyway .... the amount of ignorance & misinformation from uninformed amateur alarmist is a bit much on these forums...
...although personally I know little to nothing about chemistry, I do know that anyone who uses H2O2 and/or chlorinated water with muny tap and then turns around and blasphemies bleach, are either ignorant or uniformed and obviously know less about chemistry than I do....
Organic very likely works (I don't practice it but the logic is sound)
Bennies work (obviously)
...and
the Sterile res/bleach/physan 2/et also works...none of the aforementioned chems are really all that systemic....
(I do agree we should watch what goes in our crops, but damn, enough already)
In an ebb and flow system the roots are highly oxygenated as they're basically hanging in the air most of the day during the ebb, thus the name aeroponics
In other systems where the roots remain submerged continuously, getting oxygen to the roots and preventing anaerobic conditions is a problem, especially if the water temperature exceeds 68 - 70 degrees. The amount of dissolved oxygen that water can hold decreases with increasing temperature. That is why chillers are sometimes employed in these closed systems to keep the water temperature down. In addition, hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) is used as a disinfectant as it has a spare oxygen present and saturates the water with oxygen. It can be an expensive proposition at $18 per gallon. There are no by products as once it loses the spare oxygen it is then H2O or water.
In the ebb and flow systems dissolved oxygen and water temperature are not of great concern due to the presence of air during a majority of the daily cycles. That is why this method is gaining in popularity as it has fewer variables/problems. In 55 gallon reservoirs using a mineral fertilizer i.e. Kind Base, Kind Grow, Kind Boom, chlorine is the chemical of choice to control slime, algae, and other organisms. Household bleach contains 4 to 6% chlorine and is cheap and readily available. Adding 5ml of bleach to a 55 gallon reservoir will result in a chlorine residual of <0.5 ppm. 10ml added to the same reservoir will keep the residual below 1.0 ppm.
The best practice is to wait until the water is pumped back to the reservoirs where it will sit for several hours before gravity flowing back to the plant containers. This provides excellent contact time for the chlorine to do its job. It will generally, depending on the organic loading in the water, dissipate to zero before flowing back to the plants - an added safety measure. The buildup of salts or chlorinated compounds is negligible as the reservoirs are drained and refilled every 2 to 3 weeks.
Check the math you find on here I read where a 2% chlorine solution equals 200ppm. It equals 20,000ppm! ( 1,000,000ppm x .02 = 20,000) That dose will kill anything. Be careful!
In other systems where the roots remain submerged continuously, getting oxygen to the roots and preventing anaerobic conditions is a problem, especially if the water temperature exceeds 68 - 70 degrees. The amount of dissolved oxygen that water can hold decreases with increasing temperature. That is why chillers are sometimes employed in these closed systems to keep the water temperature down. In addition, hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) is used as a disinfectant as it has a spare oxygen present and saturates the water with oxygen. It can be an expensive proposition at $18 per gallon. There are no by products as once it loses the spare oxygen it is then H2O or water.
In the ebb and flow systems dissolved oxygen and water temperature are not of great concern due to the presence of air during a majority of the daily cycles. That is why this method is gaining in popularity as it has fewer variables/problems. In 55 gallon reservoirs using a mineral fertilizer i.e. Kind Base, Kind Grow, Kind Boom, chlorine is the chemical of choice to control slime, algae, and other organisms. Household bleach contains 4 to 6% chlorine and is cheap and readily available. Adding 5ml of bleach to a 55 gallon reservoir will result in a chlorine residual of <0.5 ppm. 10ml added to the same reservoir will keep the residual below 1.0 ppm.
The best practice is to wait until the water is pumped back to the reservoirs where it will sit for several hours before gravity flowing back to the plant containers. This provides excellent contact time for the chlorine to do its job. It will generally, depending on the organic loading in the water, dissipate to zero before flowing back to the plants - an added safety measure. The buildup of salts or chlorinated compounds is negligible as the reservoirs are drained and refilled every 2 to 3 weeks.
Check the math you find on here I read where a 2% chlorine solution equals 200ppm. It equals 20,000ppm! ( 1,000,000ppm x .02 = 20,000) That dose will kill anything. Be careful!
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