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Bill Clinton say's STFU to BLM

bearkat42

bearkat42

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Jimdamick said:
Yup, this is a racist pos country.
I cannot, or will not argue that point, Bearkat42.. But do you know what I am talking about?. I have a lot of black friends, some good, mostly bad (like me). Their parents started in a hole, that it would be difficult for anyone to climb out of. My parents, farmers that they were, never even graduated secondary school. Did your parents go to college? Hopefully they did, but if they lived in the 1940's or 50's, or even the 60's they would not have had that opportunity, probably. Ok, what's my point. It is that a cohesive family is imperative to raise a child, and a lot of black inner city children are not afforded that chance, because it is the norm for the Dad to be MIA, at least in Bridgeport.
And the sad thing is that it actually makes economic sense for the mother not to be married, and that unfortunately is the truth also. The Afro American citizens have only been able to really to start to create ANY FUCKING THING in the last 50 years. A white boy from Russia had a better chance in 1965 obtaining common courtesy, than a black man that had actually fought for his country in 2 World Wars, and TODAY, we have a group called Black Lives Matter making the news, as if those lives never did in this country. Sad thing is that is what history has absolutly shown us, is that they need to still point out that fact out in 2016, in these United States of America. That is a fucking shame
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Again, what you're saying, in most cases, is absolutely true. What I want people to realize is that America is complicit in a lot of the reasons why many black fathers are MIA. The war on (black) drugs has devastated the black family. The government knew exactly what they were doing. I mean somebody has to fill up all of these shiny new private prisons that are, by the way, publicly traded on the NYSE. No prisoners, no money.
And to answer your question, my parents have advanced degrees, as does one of my grandfathers.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Jimdamick said:
Your a man of color? I did not know that. Some people have been known to call me a Black Irishman. Have you ever heard of the expression? Anyway, I agree with your viewpoint, and President Clinton and Hillary do also, in hindsight they know now how disproportionate the law has become in the sense how it has seemingly targeted the black community, a community suffering from a shit educational system, because they never get what they need due the inequality in schools, and the rampant unemployment problem for the urban black man, WHO IN ORDER TO SURVIVE, ended up supplying what the people (a lot of white people) wanted, or needed.. Maybe that has something to do with the incarceration rate for young men of color, whom the system has DEFINITELY failed. I just say again, BLM should be going after the GOP, not the Democratic party, which in reality, is the only group that really gives a shit about them
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I'm not quite sure how you can say that the Democratic party is any better than the Republican party with regard to the issues that BLM are concerned with. Black Lives Matter is a movement to address unequal treatment of African Americans by the justice system. It is apologetically a Black movement. The movement says it wants the same for everybody else but their focus remains on the lives of black people. US incarceration grew at some of the highest rates in history during Bill's administration along with disproportionate numbers of incarcerated black men. So, no, he doesn't deserve a mulligan for that one.

As far as the first amendment goes, free speech is protected from government intervention. BLM did not violate anybody's right to free speech when they disrupted Bill Clinton's rally. I don't understand why people seem to think that protesters should behave themselves. If they did, it wouldn't be a protest. Peaceful, yes but mild mannered? No.
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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Fogdog said:
I'm not quite sure how you can say that the Democratic party is any better than the Republican party with regard to the issues that BLM are concerned with. Black Lives Matter is a movement to address unequal treatment of African Americans by the justice system. It is apologetically a Black movement. The movement says it wants the same for everybody else but their focus remains on the lives of black people. US incarceration grew at some of the highest rates in history during Bill's administration along with disproportionate numbers of incarcerated black men. So, no, he doesn't deserve a mulligan for that one.

As far as the first amendment goes, free speech is protected from government intervention. BLM did not violate anybody's right to free speech when they disrupted Bill Clinton's rally. I don't understand why people seem to think that protesters should behave themselves. If they did, it wouldn't be a protest. Peaceful, yes but mild mannered? No.
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Imagine if a white movement focused only on white lives,...??
 
abalonehx

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I havent seen Billy that upset & red faced since he explained to the American people, 'I did not..have sexual relations..with that woman" . Getting more ornery in his old age though I think. I'm sure the hildebeast is really
busting his ballz lately. Poor fucker.
 
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ThickStemz

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Elwood Diggler said:
link?
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I watched it on YouTube. I dont keep the link in my pocket. It was a documentary done, largely defending Clinton from all the allegations thrown against him in the 90s. The Australian broadcaster did it, I want to say his name is Tony.

Just went and confirmed. His name is Tony Jones and he works for ABC, austrailian broadcasting company or some such.

He didnt do it. He was aware the cia was importing coke and it was landing in ARK. He turned his head.
 
Elwood Diggler

Elwood Diggler

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ThickStemz said:
I watched it on YouTube. I dont keep the link in my pocket. It was a documentary done, largely defending Clinton from all the allegations thrown against him in the 90s. The Australian broadcaster did it, I want to say his name is Tony.

Just went and confirmed. His name is Tony Jones and he works for ABC, austrailian broadcasting company or some such.

He didnt do it. He was aware the cia was importing coke and it was landing in ARK. He turned his head.
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so all you have is some numbnut on youtube. every amatuer slueth has dug into this and have come up with shit. let me know when you have some facts to go on
 
Elwood Diggler

Elwood Diggler

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DutchKillsRambo said:
All you're gonna get is conspiracy sites as it's bullshit.

The CIA definitely had a hand in looking the other way in regards to drug dealers in various countries from SE Asia to Afghanistan to S and Central America, but they weren't flying it into the country themselves
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the cia wasn't looking the other way, they were giving the orders. they've ran the dope biz since vietnam and air america. every so often there's a jet crash with a full load of dope that's registered to a cia front company
 
DutchKillsRambo

DutchKillsRambo

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Elwood Diggler said:
the cia wasn't looking the other way, they were giving the orders. they've ran the dope biz since vietnam and air america. every so often there's a jet crash with a full load of dope that's registered to a cia front company
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Ehh, yes and no. Even the most flagrant times of Air America transporting Hmong opium in the late 60's / early 70's never involved CIA orders to grow the stuff. It's a tradition centuries old, just like the coca fields down south.

The CIA was willing to overlook its allies drug running as long as they were anti-Communist, but they were never involved with actively smuggling it into the US. I would recommend "The Politics of Heroin" by Alfred McCoy if you're interested in further reading. And he's a respected journalist and professor, not some crackpot with a "Loose Change" type youtube account.

And anyways, we learned it all from the French, so blame those fine cheese loving wine-drinkers!
 
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ThickStemz

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Elwood Diggler said:
so all you have is some numbnut on youtube. every amatuer slueth has dug into this and have come up with shit. let me know when you have some facts to go on
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To unpack it a little, Clinton was connected to the people who were involved and either knew or should have known. But as the documentary said, what can a governor of a state do about a CIA sponsored act? Not much.

I forget the details. But you have enough info to find it. It was made in the 90s. Tony Jones is not a quack. He is a respected Australian journalist.
 
DutchKillsRambo

DutchKillsRambo

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bearkat42 said:
What's the difference?
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You should be able to figure the difference between actively smuggling drugs into the US and allowing CIA assets to be involved with drug smuggling to fund a greater goal in another country.

The early days of NASA being linked with Nazi scientists doesn't mean the moon landing was pro-Holocaust. There are levels here.
 
bearkat42

bearkat42

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DutchKillsRambo said:
You should be able to figure the difference between actively smuggling drugs into the US and allowing CIA assets to be involved with drug smuggling to fund a greater goal in another country.
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For the life of me, I can't figure out the difference. In fact, I don't see why they themselves wouldn't be considered drug dealers.
 
DutchKillsRambo

DutchKillsRambo

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bearkat42 said:
For the life of me, I can't figure out the difference. In fact, I don't see why they themselves wouldn't be considered drug dealers.
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So you don't see any difference between, for example, not ratting out a friend that grows cannabis and growing it yourself?

The CIA has done some extremely terrible shit in the name of American interests, but actively smuggling drugs into the US isn't one of them. Basically there's no need to make shit up, as the truth is plenty damning enough.
 
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ky man

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THE CIA is the biggest drug lords in the world always has been and always will be till a president in the usa stops it.The CIA crashed a plain in mexico one time with tons of coke on the plain and that is fact.I think that drugs is why the usa wounts chapo transfired to the usa to kill him there afread he will tell on are government that there drug deels also just like him.I hope like hell chapo gets to break out of prison and go free for his THIRD TIME...yes I live in the usa...ky
 
DutchKillsRambo

DutchKillsRambo

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ky man said:
THE CIA is the biggest drug lords in the world always has been and always will be till a president in the usa stops it.The CIA crashed a plain in mexico one time with tons of coke on the plain and that is fact.I think that drugs is why the usa wounts chapo transfired to the usa to kill him there afread he will tell on are government that there drug deels also just like him.I hope like hell chapo gets to break out of prison and go free for his THIRD TIME...yes I live in the usa...ky
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1. Spell check is a thing.

2. How is the massive corruption in the Mexican government related to the CIA? Do you think Mexico is so weak that American agencies run around with carte blanche to pick and choose who goes free in a foreign country? Escobar was worth 5 billion in 90's dollars, Chapo is worth 1 billion, best estimate. And you better believe US intelligence led to directly to Escobar's death. Do you think the word of an admitted mass murderer would sway American public opinion?

The CIA is a very shady organization, but they aren't drug dealers. The coffers of the federal government make any amount illicit drug dealing trivial. Its not like there's public oversight on their budgets. Individual agents involved with drug running? For sure. Buell in Laos comes to mind. But to pretend there is this massive coverup and conspiracy to bring drugs in for a few million here or there in a government agency with dark funds is just kinda foolish. These are the same people that took 10 years to find bin Laden.
 
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