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Team Biden fires back: 'You can't let people say bullshit and not respond to it'
By Jonathan Easley and Amie Parnes - 07/26/19 06:00 AM EDT 5,978
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Joe Biden is ready to scrap.

The former vice president is firing back at his rivals and vowing to be more aggressive at the second presidential debates after weeks of sustained attacks against his civil rights record left his supporters frustrated and worried about his passive approach.

The tipping point, according to allies and campaign strategists, came on Wednesday at a NAACP presidential candidate forum, where Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) accused Biden of being the “architect of mass incarceration” for supporting a 1994 crime bill.

“You can't be called the architect of mass incarceration and remain quiet,” a Biden ally said. “That's cruel and personal. That goes against his entire career. You can't let people say bullshit and not respond to it.”

“The gloves are off,” the ally added. “At this point, you have to punch back when someone attacks your record. People want to see him throw a punch. The president is certainly going to come at him hard, so why not start now?”

The arrival of Fighter Joe comes as a relief to Biden’s supporters and sets the stage for a potentially brutal showdown next week in Detroit, where Biden, Booker and Sen. Kamala Harris (Calif.) will share the same debate stage.

Harris catapulted into the top tier of candidates after the first debates, when she attacked Biden for opposing a decades-old federal busing program aimed at integrating schools and described his remarks about finding common ground with segregationist senators as “hurtful” to black people.

At the time, Biden avoided directly challenging Harris.

“I’m not going to be as polite this time,” Biden told donors at a fundraiser in Detroit on Wednesday.

Biden’s campaign is also boiling with anger at Booker. On Wednesday, the Biden campaign called Booker out by name for the first time and questioned his own record on civil rights.

Biden’s deputy campaign manager, Kate Bedingfield, said Booker “has some hard questions to answer about his role in the criminal justice system,” pointing to his promise as mayor of Newark more than a decade ago to implement a “zero tolerance policy for minor infractions.”

Bedingfield also accused Booker of “running a police department that was such a civil rights nightmare that the U.S. Department of Justice intervened.”

Meanwhile, Biden has signaled that he may take a shot at Harris’s record as California attorney general, perhaps accusing her of policies that led to the incarceration of racial minorities. Biden started down that path at the first debate, noting that he pursued a career as a public defender while she chose to become a prosecutor, but it was not a line of attack that he vigorously pursued.

“If [Harris and Booker] want to argue about the past, I can do that. I got a past I’m proud of,” Biden said Wednesday. “They got a past that’s not quite so good.”

Harris’s allies say they’re spoiling for the fight, an indication that the bad blood flowing between the two camps might become one of the defining developments of the Democratic primary race.

“I’m glad Joe Biden is going to be there this time and may be sharper,” said Melissa Watson, the Berkeley County chairwoman for the Democratic Party and a Harris supporter.

Watson expressed frustration with Biden’s remarks at the Wednesday fundraiser in which he vented at Harris for attacking him after he gave the keynote address at a convention where the California Democratic Party officially endorsed her for state attorney general.

“There’s an air of entitlement in all of his comments,” Watson said. “He’s saying, how dare she question him about his past. And he says he did her a favor, so that means she has no right to question him during a presidential primary? That’s crazy. They’re running for the highest office in the land.”

The focus on civil rights and the racially charged attacks flying between the candidates underscores the fierce battle for support from black voters in the Democratic primary.

Biden has slipped a little bit in the polls since the first debate, but he has maintained his standing as the clear front-runner in the race in part because of his enduring support from African Americans.

A Monmouth University survey released Thursday found Biden with a commanding lead in South Carolina, a critical early-voting state where black voters make up about 60 percent of the Democratic primary electorate.

Biden has 39 percent support overall in South Carolina, with Harris running a distant second place at 12 percent. The former vice president has 51 percent support from black voters in the state, followed by Harris, at 12 percent.

“Despite some supposed missteps on the issue of race, Biden maintains widespread support [among black voters],” said Monmouth University polling director Patrick Murray.

But Biden supporters know that support could evaporate with another shaky debate performance next week.

“I’m glad he’s finally pushing back, it should plug the leak, but he still needs to pull this off in prime time with both Harris and Booker flanking him on the dais,” said one Democratic strategist who supports Biden. “Make no mistake — another poor performance and this might be over for him. He doesn’t have the luxury of stacking bad debates on top of one another, especially with this many people coming after him.”

Biden was initially cautious about picking fights with Democrats, the ally said, because he “didn't want to contribute to a narrative that the president can use in a general election.”

But on the same note, “these are people who have come to him for advice, and have said what a great public servant he's been, and they're now attacking his record.”

The ally said the campaign is prepared for other campaigns to join the attacks.

“They see Harris had her moment and achieved what she wanted to achieve, and Booker is trying to have his moment, so why not?” the ally said.

“I think the message sent to him lately is that people want a uniter but they also want a fighter. He can be both. And when he needs to fight there's nothing he won't do.”

Biden spokesperson Andrew Bates said he’ll be ready for whatever his rivals throw at him.

“He's proud of his accomplishments, and many of his opponents were until a sudden, recent about-face,” Bates said. “We're not going to let anyone — whether Democrat or Republican — distort or misrepresent his record.”
 

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Team Biden fires back: 'You can't let people say bullshit and not respond to it'
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Joe Biden is ready to scrap.

The former vice president is firing back at his rivals and vowing to be more aggressive at the second presidential debates after weeks of sustained attacks against his civil rights record left his supporters frustrated and worried about his passive approach.

The tipping point, according to allies and campaign strategists, came on Wednesday at a NAACP presidential candidate forum, where Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) accused Biden of being the “architect of mass incarceration” for supporting a 1994 crime bill.

“You can't be called the architect of mass incarceration and remain quiet,” a Biden ally said. “That's cruel and personal. That goes against his entire career. You can't let people say bullshit and not respond to it.”

“The gloves are off,” the ally added. “At this point, you have to punch back when someone attacks your record. People want to see him throw a punch. The president is certainly going to come at him hard, so why not start now?”

The arrival of Fighter Joe comes as a relief to Biden’s supporters and sets the stage for a potentially brutal showdown next week in Detroit, where Biden, Booker and Sen. Kamala Harris (Calif.) will share the same debate stage.

Harris catapulted into the top tier of candidates after the first debates, when she attacked Biden for opposing a decades-old federal busing program aimed at integrating schools and described his remarks about finding common ground with segregationist senators as “hurtful” to black people.

At the time, Biden avoided directly challenging Harris.

“I’m not going to be as polite this time,” Biden told donors at a fundraiser in Detroit on Wednesday.

Biden’s campaign is also boiling with anger at Booker. On Wednesday, the Biden campaign called Booker out by name for the first time and questioned his own record on civil rights.

Biden’s deputy campaign manager, Kate Bedingfield, said Booker “has some hard questions to answer about his role in the criminal justice system,” pointing to his promise as mayor of Newark more than a decade ago to implement a “zero tolerance policy for minor infractions.”

Bedingfield also accused Booker of “running a police department that was such a civil rights nightmare that the U.S. Department of Justice intervened.”

Meanwhile, Biden has signaled that he may take a shot at Harris’s record as California attorney general, perhaps accusing her of policies that led to the incarceration of racial minorities. Biden started down that path at the first debate, noting that he pursued a career as a public defender while she chose to become a prosecutor, but it was not a line of attack that he vigorously pursued.

“If [Harris and Booker] want to argue about the past, I can do that. I got a past I’m proud of,” Biden said Wednesday. “They got a past that’s not quite so good.”

Harris’s allies say they’re spoiling for the fight, an indication that the bad blood flowing between the two camps might become one of the defining developments of the Democratic primary race.

“I’m glad Joe Biden is going to be there this time and may be sharper,” said Melissa Watson, the Berkeley County chairwoman for the Democratic Party and a Harris supporter.

Watson expressed frustration with Biden’s remarks at the Wednesday fundraiser in which he vented at Harris for attacking him after he gave the keynote address at a convention where the California Democratic Party officially endorsed her for state attorney general.

“There’s an air of entitlement in all of his comments,” Watson said. “He’s saying, how dare she question him about his past. And he says he did her a favor, so that means she has no right to question him during a presidential primary? That’s crazy. They’re running for the highest office in the land.”

The focus on civil rights and the racially charged attacks flying between the candidates underscores the fierce battle for support from black voters in the Democratic primary.

Biden has slipped a little bit in the polls since the first debate, but he has maintained his standing as the clear front-runner in the race in part because of his enduring support from African Americans.

A Monmouth University survey released Thursday found Biden with a commanding lead in South Carolina, a critical early-voting state where black voters make up about 60 percent of the Democratic primary electorate.

Biden has 39 percent support overall in South Carolina, with Harris running a distant second place at 12 percent. The former vice president has 51 percent support from black voters in the state, followed by Harris, at 12 percent.

“Despite some supposed missteps on the issue of race, Biden maintains widespread support [among black voters],” said Monmouth University polling director Patrick Murray.

But Biden supporters know that support could evaporate with another shaky debate performance next week.

“I’m glad he’s finally pushing back, it should plug the leak, but he still needs to pull this off in prime time with both Harris and Booker flanking him on the dais,” said one Democratic strategist who supports Biden. “Make no mistake — another poor performance and this might be over for him. He doesn’t have the luxury of stacking bad debates on top of one another, especially with this many people coming after him.”

Biden was initially cautious about picking fights with Democrats, the ally said, because he “didn't want to contribute to a narrative that the president can use in a general election.”

But on the same note, “these are people who have come to him for advice, and have said what a great public servant he's been, and they're now attacking his record.”

The ally said the campaign is prepared for other campaigns to join the attacks.

“They see Harris had her moment and achieved what she wanted to achieve, and Booker is trying to have his moment, so why not?” the ally said.

“I think the message sent to him lately is that people want a uniter but they also want a fighter. He can be both. And when he needs to fight there's nothing he won't do.”

Biden spokesperson Andrew Bates said he’ll be ready for whatever his rivals throw at him.

“He's proud of his accomplishments, and many of his opponents were until a sudden, recent about-face,” Bates said. “We're not going to let anyone — whether Democrat or Republican — distort or misrepresent his record.”
 

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Team Biden fires back: 'You can't let people say bullshit and not respond to it'
By Jonathan Easley and Amie Parnes - 07/26/19 06:00 AM EDT 5,978
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Joe Biden is ready to scrap.

The former vice president is firing back at his rivals and vowing to be more aggressive at the second presidential debates after weeks of sustained attacks against his civil rights record left his supporters frustrated and worried about his passive approach.

The tipping point, according to allies and campaign strategists, came on Wednesday at a NAACP presidential candidate forum, where Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) accused Biden of being the “architect of mass incarceration” for supporting a 1994 crime bill.

“You can't be called the architect of mass incarceration and remain quiet,” a Biden ally said. “That's cruel and personal. That goes against his entire career. You can't let people say bullshit and not respond to it.”

“The gloves are off,” the ally added. “At this point, you have to punch back when someone attacks your record. People want to see him throw a punch. The president is certainly going to come at him hard, so why not start now?”

The arrival of Fighter Joe comes as a relief to Biden’s supporters and sets the stage for a potentially brutal showdown next week in Detroit, where Biden, Booker and Sen. Kamala Harris (Calif.) will share the same debate stage.

Harris catapulted into the top tier of candidates after the first debates, when she attacked Biden for opposing a decades-old federal busing program aimed at integrating schools and described his remarks about finding common ground with segregationist senators as “hurtful” to black people.

At the time, Biden avoided directly challenging Harris.

“I’m not going to be as polite this time,” Biden told donors at a fundraiser in Detroit on Wednesday.

Biden’s campaign is also boiling with anger at Booker. On Wednesday, the Biden campaign called Booker out by name for the first time and questioned his own record on civil rights.

Biden’s deputy campaign manager, Kate Bedingfield, said Booker “has some hard questions to answer about his role in the criminal justice system,” pointing to his promise as mayor of Newark more than a decade ago to implement a “zero tolerance policy for minor infractions.”

Bedingfield also accused Booker of “running a police department that was such a civil rights nightmare that the U.S. Department of Justice intervened.”

Meanwhile, Biden has signaled that he may take a shot at Harris’s record as California attorney general, perhaps accusing her of policies that led to the incarceration of racial minorities. Biden started down that path at the first debate, noting that he pursued a career as a public defender while she chose to become a prosecutor, but it was not a line of attack that he vigorously pursued.

“If [Harris and Booker] want to argue about the past, I can do that. I got a past I’m proud of,” Biden said Wednesday. “They got a past that’s not quite so good.”

Harris’s allies say they’re spoiling for the fight, an indication that the bad blood flowing between the two camps might become one of the defining developments of the Democratic primary race.

“I’m glad Joe Biden is going to be there this time and may be sharper,” said Melissa Watson, the Berkeley County chairwoman for the Democratic Party and a Harris supporter.

Watson expressed frustration with Biden’s remarks at the Wednesday fundraiser in which he vented at Harris for attacking him after he gave the keynote address at a convention where the California Democratic Party officially endorsed her for state attorney general.

“There’s an air of entitlement in all of his comments,” Watson said. “He’s saying, how dare she question him about his past. And he says he did her a favor, so that means she has no right to question him during a presidential primary? That’s crazy. They’re running for the highest office in the land.”

The focus on civil rights and the racially charged attacks flying between the candidates underscores the fierce battle for support from black voters in the Democratic primary.

Biden has slipped a little bit in the polls since the first debate, but he has maintained his standing as the clear front-runner in the race in part because of his enduring support from African Americans.

A Monmouth University survey released Thursday found Biden with a commanding lead in South Carolina, a critical early-voting state where black voters make up about 60 percent of the Democratic primary electorate.

Biden has 39 percent support overall in South Carolina, with Harris running a distant second place at 12 percent. The former vice president has 51 percent support from black voters in the state, followed by Harris, at 12 percent.

“Despite some supposed missteps on the issue of race, Biden maintains widespread support [among black voters],” said Monmouth University polling director Patrick Murray.

But Biden supporters know that support could evaporate with another shaky debate performance next week.

“I’m glad he’s finally pushing back, it should plug the leak, but he still needs to pull this off in prime time with both Harris and Booker flanking him on the dais,” said one Democratic strategist who supports Biden. “Make no mistake — another poor performance and this might be over for him. He doesn’t have the luxury of stacking bad debates on top of one another, especially with this many people coming after him.”

Biden was initially cautious about picking fights with Democrats, the ally said, because he “didn't want to contribute to a narrative that the president can use in a general election.”

But on the same note, “these are people who have come to him for advice, and have said what a great public servant he's been, and they're now attacking his record.”

The ally said the campaign is prepared for other campaigns to join the attacks.

“They see Harris had her moment and achieved what she wanted to achieve, and Booker is trying to have his moment, so why not?” the ally said.

“I think the message sent to him lately is that people want a uniter but they also want a fighter. He can be both. And when he needs to fight there's nothing he won't do.”

Biden spokesperson Andrew Bates said he’ll be ready for whatever his rivals throw at him.

“He's proud of his accomplishments, and many of his opponents were until a sudden, recent about-face,” Bates said. “We're not going to let anyone — whether Democrat or Republican — distort or misrepresent his record.”
We have yet to see if Biden can hold his own during a debate and make points that draw people to support him. He can read a prepared speech better than Trump, we know that. We saw Biden stumble on the defensive during the last debate. So now, he's going to be "aggressive"? LOL. I expect to see Biden stumble while on the offensive during a debate. It's his race to lose, though I think he's already lost it.
 

UncleBuck

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We have yet to see if Biden can hold his own during a debate and make points that draw people to support him. He can read a prepared speech better than Trump, we know that. We saw Biden stumble on the defensive during the last debate. So now, he's going to be "aggressive"? LOL. I expect to see Biden stumble while on the offensive during a debate. It's his race to lose, though I think he's already lost it.
Biden has staying power

He’ll probably win
 

UncleBuck

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I'm not going to vote for him in the primary. I'll vote for whoever wins the Democratic party's nomination in the fall.
I would have been forced to vote for him had Colorado not changed their primary system

We used to have caucuses - a system that allows the noisy minority to out-yell the choice of the majority

Bernie did well in those in2016. He cleaned up Washington’s delegates in the binding caucus despite losing handily in the non binding primary

If we were still doing caucuses this year, I’d go caucus for Biden or whoever had the best chance to defeat Bernie

Luckily we now have a more open primary type of system. Bernie will not do well here anymore.

I’m leaning kamala Harris or Julian Castro but hope to god I can propel Marianne Williamson to a miracle victory if she holds on
 

abandonconflict

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Research Andrew yang and his platform it won’t happen but if you are in the blue collar middle class working poor like the US trend . His words are pretty inspiring .

Joe Rogan is a late to the game head but had a pretty good interview

Yang is the only one crazier than Sanders. His fucking ubi would cost 4 trillion dollars per year. He will never be relevant despite that he gets more media coverage than Warren. Only basement dwelling millennial work-averse porn addicts think that his ideas make sense.
 

ttystikk

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I predict that the Democratic National Committee will screw up the nomination so badly people will stay home and Trump will win a second term, even though he'll lose by as many as 5 million votes.

The Democratic party apparatchiks would rather lose than elect Bernie; they've already said so. Better to blame the opposing party than betray the donors signing your paychecks...
 

eddy600

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I predict that the Democratic National Committee will screw up the nomination so badly people will stay home and Trump will win a second term, even though he'll lose by as many as 5 million votes.

The Democratic party apparatchiks would rather lose than elect Bernie; they've already said so. Better to blame the opposing party than betray the donors signing your paychecks...
Did you travel across the border with Bernie to get your phencyclidine prescription refilled at a cheaper price?
 

hotrodharley

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Biden has staying power

He’ll probably win
Let Trump keep trashing members of Congress who aren’t white along with the districts they represent and a guy like Biden could win. I don’t care to focus on minor shortcomings. The goal is to send Trump and his golf clubs on one last taxpayer funded flight to where fucking ever.
 

ttystikk

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Let Trump keep trashing members of Congress who aren’t white along with the districts they represent and a guy like Biden could win. I don’t care to focus on minor shortcomings. The goal is to send Trump and his golf clubs on one last taxpayer funded flight to where fucking ever.
The goal is to IMPEACH him.

But Nancy Pelosi can't be dragged kicking and screaming to do her fucking job. Might offend one of her donors.
 

hotrodharley

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The goal is to IMPEACH him.

But Nancy Pelosi can't be dragged kicking and screaming to do her fucking job. Might offend one of her donors.
The entire Democratic Party, like the entire Republican Party, is owned. And you ain’t one of the owners. The wealthiest and most influential agree to agree that the most important decisions should be made by those proven to make the best decisions and that’s obviously them. Right? I mean if the average Joe was right about anything he’d be rich. He wouldn’t be average duh.

Any belief that they’re anything other than just slightly better politically than the Republicans is wishful thinking. That last fiasco we watched unfold? They showed their truer colors.
 

hotrodharley

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Barack Obama was the most perfect Republican conservative the Democrats ever elected. Look at his record in every way including Obamacare. Automobile insurance? First required in Ohio in 1927. Today? Mandatory in all 50 states. Obviously not a Democrat-only plot.
 

ttystikk

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The entire Democratic Party, like the entire Republican Party, is owned. And you ain’t one of the owners. The wealthiest and most influential agree to agree that the most important decisions should be made by those proven to make the best decisions and that’s obviously them. Right? I mean if the average Joe was right about anything he’d be rich. He wouldn’t be average duh.

Any belief that they’re anything other than just slightly better politically than the Republicans is wishful thinking. That last fiasco we watched unfold? They showed their truer colors.
And that's why I'm voting for Bernie Sanders whether he's on the ballot or not.

Voting for the 'lesser of two evils' is exactly how we got into this mess. Voting for an established clown like Biden, Harris, Booker or Buttigieg will AT BEST return America to the same conditions that brought us Trump. The next Trump isn't likely to be so stupid and that's a scary thought.

Until we get nominees that represent We the People as opposed to FOLLOW THE MONEY, we aren't going to see any meaningful improvement.

They don't call the Democratic Party the 'Inauthentic Opposition' for nothing!

Frankly, we should be following the example of our fellow American citizens in Puerto Rico.

We get the government we deserve.
 

ttystikk

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Barack Obama was the most perfect Republican conservative the Democrats ever elected. Look at his record in every way including Obamacare. Automobile insurance? First required in Ohio in 1927. Today? Mandatory in all 50 states. Obviously not a Democrat-only plot.
He bailed out the banks in 2009, not the homeowners. Nuff said...

But I'll say more; until Trump came along, he dropped more bombs around the world than any other President in history, including FDR who served over 3 terms through most of WWII.

That's not a Democratic party I'm willing to waste my vote on.
 
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