Booyah!
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Nah, more like I'm missing out on stable future generations of seed if I leave them in. No flavors or Effects are exclusive to plants that throw nanners. It's an instability.
Best Suppliers of Regular Seed for Breeding?
jayblaze710
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Curious why you have such extreme distaste for any herm traits? The majority of cases are balls early in flower that disappear if you pluck them and don’t show up in clones, or nanners very late in flower that might result in a few seeds. Neither have a significant effect on the final product.
I’m personally fine with manageable levels of intersex traits. If we got rid of anything with any herm history...we’d have nothing. I personally don’t think it’s possible to entirely get rid of it.
thenotsoesoteric
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That's why I quit responding to these guys. There is no way to remove intersex qualities from cannabis.
Anyone tell me one strain/cultivar that doesn't hermie and I bet money I can get that bitch to throw nanners. Regardless of how "stable" the "genetics" are from a "real" "breeder". Sorry a lot of quote marks there, lol.
waterproof808
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A lot of stuff gets written off as unstable based on a very small percentage of growers (1 or 2) experience and without knowing any details about their skill set or grow style.
I dont believe relying on random forum users reports for stability issues is the smartest way to start a breeding project, but thats just me...I'd start with stuff that I enjoy smoking and then work from there.
I dont believe relying on random forum users reports for stability issues is the smartest way to start a breeding project, but thats just me...I'd start with stuff that I enjoy smoking and then work from there.
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Greenthumbskunk
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If you want regular seed from good stock I would look at Mr Nice Seeds. World renown breeders who have bred some of the best plants their has been.
Their plants they have developed has probably won more awards than any other breeder out their.
I've grown their stuff for 15 yrs or more and I've never had anything bad genetically or terrible product.
When he left greenhouse seeds he left the naming rights to the marketers their but just renamed the same plants at Mr Nice like the white widow for example is black widow, great white shark is shark shock etc
http://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/community_products.php
Their plants they have developed has probably won more awards than any other breeder out their.
I've grown their stuff for 15 yrs or more and I've never had anything bad genetically or terrible product.
When he left greenhouse seeds he left the naming rights to the marketers their but just renamed the same plants at Mr Nice like the white widow for example is black widow, great white shark is shark shock etc
http://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/community_products.php
antonioverde
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If you are looking for inbred stable lines you will generally have to make your own since very few breeders do this now a days. It takes years and there is no money in it since hacks can take your seed and rip it off.
This is the same male x a room full of clone moms generation.
People will sell out for a buck so fast. Mr. Soul got his c99 paternal material from an intersex plant. Railed for years against fems now sells them.
Dj short no intersex? Doubtful. Lol
I could go on but do your research. You may find some exceptions to the rule.
As far as breeding out intersex capability good luck. You can try to steer mother nature but you cant make her your bitch.
This is the same male x a room full of clone moms generation.
People will sell out for a buck so fast. Mr. Soul got his c99 paternal material from an intersex plant. Railed for years against fems now sells them.
Dj short no intersex? Doubtful. Lol
I could go on but do your research. You may find some exceptions to the rule.
As far as breeding out intersex capability good luck. You can try to steer mother nature but you cant make her your bitch.
quiescent
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Back in the day when I would read grow journals for hours I noticed something interesting.
The better growers who had the top notch genetics circa 2009ish would regularly experience late nanners with the usual suspects; ecsd, chems, ogs, rez everything, etc and not freak out or chop the plants from the rotation most of the time.
See newer growers, 1-3 years experience, grow the same strains and get the same results from the plants. They'd complain, talk about how much they spent to find 1 really good female and guess what? It threw nanners. Obviously you can't keep plants that toss out some nanners, don't matter if they're probably sterile or been flowered too long or stressed in a multitude of ways.
Let's talk ecsd as an example. From clone it definitely throws nanners. You can reverse it and get plants that throw no nanners and might be superior to the clone only in a few ways. Funny you can take a plant known to throw nanners, stress it into going full herm, and get great intersex free offspring.
I understand the thought process of being scared of intersex traits but it shows some naivety when you crusade against them.
Pa-Nature
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nope
So true as i am a STONER TRUE HEART ...so I make errors and I created nanners on a mom one grow that never showed me a nanner EVER ...so did one when I Had a timer issue and a small reveg had started and when continuing the flower she nannered .
SHIT HAPPENS.....POOP HURTS
AuBlue
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Best Suppliers of Regular Seed for Breeding?
Quite a few have been growing hermies free material for decades in AU.
I posted for breeders of clean hermie free plants.
Not for people mounting arguments around how many Strains you would not be able to grow,
or the profitability of a business? Please stop creating straw men arguments, nobody cares.
Perhaps likeminded growers could start The Hermies Free Club.
Quite a few have been growing hermies free material for decades in AU.
I posted for breeders of clean hermie free plants.
Not for people mounting arguments around how many Strains you would not be able to grow,
or the profitability of a business? Please stop creating straw men arguments, nobody cares.
Perhaps likeminded growers could start The Hermies Free Club.
Pa-Nature
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Dj BB was/is a nightmare ....so many male I went through to get one that wasn't sterile ..So he went straight to a nice BMS female I had .
So I have this cross to work with the BB 2x ( refferman and sannie ) Both INDICA
I stress test all my breeding fems if they pass the test they get to be kept It takes me 2-3 years to find a good pair within a strain .
In am not a breeder but a self seeder....and luv my outcomes so far .
Chernobyl (cut ) x Nevelles skunk x Lemon and yes thats a 1000 watt ballast behind these gals
Pa-Nature
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Have u ever ordered seed from A BANK .....seems to me you rarely get what ya expect unless you expect surprises ...I have order from 3 dif banks Same strain ...none were even close to the cut I lost .
Now ur question of where or who has hermie free seeds is like asking which bank has the TRUE SEED FROM ORG BREEDERS ....Unless u get lucky to close to the originator of the strain this may never happen.
Then its ... when did they run out of seed and to make new do they have the org male and female...that today is rare .
I have a cross right now done by NDN Pakistani 25 x Bubba K . Now If im right thats male 25 ....for one to keep all those males and fems around are not fooking around .
Now If i was to show you the plant it a fackin weirdo .
Just saying breeding is a money making thing and like everyone thinks throwing pollen at a plant creates a strain ...they be DUM DUMS its just a cross BOYS stable or not is just another hybrid .
My best finds came from OLD DUDES that chuck pollen at home and seeds were free and hermie free
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quiescent
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This is an open forum.
Straw man arguments? Seriously? No one cares? Seriously?
If quite a few local to you breeders meet your needs then why spend money and risk not getting seeds sure to have intersex traits from overseas?
If you'd like to have a one track conversation I'd suggest self-talk but you might get off the subject then lol. Troll on bro, hit up strainwyze and see if y'all are both on the same alternate plane.
waterproof808
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You haven't really named any hermi free companies yourself.
That is the point he seems to be missing. Every breeder has strains that hermie. Most breeders have strains that are stable and much less likely to hermie. He should be looking for strain recommendations and not a breeder.
AuBlue
Member
Mostly the younger generation is out to recreate existant strains with STS for money.
Those using multiple fem material to recreate replicas of exsisting strains
I know a lot of growers in AU that do not sell seed or cannabis.
Much of the genetics is old, from north-west countries.
We are of the view that US cannabis industry needs to get it together.
Those using multiple fem material to recreate replicas of exsisting strains
No, because I suspect thay may not exist.
I know a lot of growers in AU that do not sell seed or cannabis.
Much of the genetics is old, from north-west countries.
We are of the view that US cannabis industry needs to get it together.
jayblaze710
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YOU WERE THE GUY ASKING ABOUT DINAFEM OG AND TALKING UP DINAFEM IN ANOTHER THREAD!!!!
And Jesus fucking Christ, 9 out of 10 classic pot strains come from American breeders. He’s like a worse yoda this guy.
AuBlue
Member
Do not mix the subjects of seed for single use smoking, and seed for breeding.
There is also Smoking Seed, created by crossing whatever the hell you like, and using that seed to grow cannabis.
Where the seed comes from is another straw man arguement.
The problems are more of recent time from everywhere, including AU.
Our breeding refers to strains that are breed for crossing with mostly unrelated strains.
Back crossing as required, but not using STS on STS, bag seed and hermied material.
There is also Smoking Seed, created by crossing whatever the hell you like, and using that seed to grow cannabis.
Where the seed comes from is another straw man arguement.
The problems are more of recent time from everywhere, including AU.
Our breeding refers to strains that are breed for crossing with mostly unrelated strains.
Back crossing as required, but not using STS on STS, bag seed and hermied material.
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