Kingrow1
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New members should prehaps be a little more constructive not immediately trolling other members.
I added a lot here before even having an opinion
Best light on the market ?
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I added a lot here before even having an opinion
growingforfun
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Why are you even on a grow forum if you hate people who have experiance?
People who have done this for years and it's their passion to talk about should be who you respect as a noob.
Unfortunately we see it all the time... people watch some youtube videos and spend a few dozen hours reading and think that makes them smarter than people who have done that for many years... it's funny, but it's also sad.
As to what I think the best lights are... I'm a big fan of hps, always treated me well. I have loads of equipment and it's cheap to replace the bulbs 1 or 2x a year. Costs me around 200-300$ to grow a lb indoor electricity included.
I needed to buy new fixtures recently so I bought some gavitas because its known DE hps is better than SE. And it's the same cost if you gotta buy a compete fixture at this point.
Heisenbeans
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I'm running 840 watts of cob over a 4x5 and knocks the dick off any hps or cmh setup I have.
No.more radiant hps heat cooking my plants. Nothing worse than them electricity hogs driving up the ac bill and turning all my top leaves crispy.
Hands down I get better looking plants with the cobs than any other light I've used.
Heisenbeans
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This isn't just made up fairy tale hear say.
I have a 1000w cmh pulling 1200 at the wall on one end of this scrog and 840 watts of Cobbs I built on the other and there was no difference in quality. The cob planta were more dense and less airy than the cmh.
I have a 1000w cmh pulling 1200 at the wall on one end of this scrog and 840 watts of Cobbs I built on the other and there was no difference in quality. The cob planta were more dense and less airy than the cmh.
growingforfun
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That's your call. I personally dont use an a/c to cool 2kw and I wont for 3kw either... I've done this for years and it's what I like. I know the way hps grows the plants and the buds it gives me. I know people who use led and some of them are even happy about the choice
you can use whatever you want bro I'm not stopping you
xtsho
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I'm with you 100%
HPS grows weed as good as any LED if you know what you're doing. I don't get these LED people going on and on about how their $1500 worth of lights grows better weed than my $150 HPS. They spend ten times as much for basically the same result.
Then when you prove to them that HID grows just as good of weed their argument is "Less power and heat". Well I don't give a damn about power or heat. I'll grow with my HID and my weed is as good as anything anyone is growing with LED's. I haven't seen anything any better coming from LED than I have from HID. But they get to spend 10 times as much to get the same result.
I don't waste my time worrying about the latest and greatest light. I don't waste my time with the latest and greatest nutrients. I don't waste my time with the latest and greatest strain. I grow good weed as simple as possible. If people want to dump tons of money on lights then let them. In the end my grows are just as good or better than most of what I've seen on this site just rocking a 600 watt HPS.
GreenHighlander
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LOL aint that the truth. The sad part is it seems some like to claim they already have hahahaIt's just a matter of time before someone starts saying that their latest and greatest light is actually better than the sun. They'll post charts from the manufacturer and rant about color spectrum's, wavelengths, etc... all while quoting the manufacturers marketing material verbatim.
There are really nice grows done with LED's and there are really nice grows done with HID. But it's ridiculous for people to rant and rave about how great their LED is when it cost ten times as much as my HID. For the price they paid it better grow damn good weed.
I don't need a Ferrari to go pick up a six pack of beer from the convenience store. I can drive a Ford and still end up with the same thing.
Cheers
GreenHighlander
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I grew up on romper room and that bitch never, not fucking once said my goddamn name at the end
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Heisenbeans
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Must be nice to grow in alaska.That's your call. I personally dont use an a/c to cool 2kw and I wont for 3kw either... I've done this for years and it's what I like. I know the way hps grows the plants and the buds it gives me. I know people who use led and some of them are even happy about the choice
Try that shit Florida without ac you'll be at 90 degrees indoors
Hi there could you explain to me how you keep you’re are at 1000 PPMS or co2 with out a co2 generator I didn’t think this was possible I’m I ntrigued to be educated a little here as I been considering purchasing co2 equipment
Heisenbeans
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My cobs are good for 10 years..you can go through alot of bulbs in 10 years.
I've ran them both right next to one another and hands down the cobs are better.
After switching to the cobs I had to buy a dehumidifier cause my ac wouldn't cycle enough to remove the humidity. With the HPS the ac stayed cycling. For smaller grows using a single bulb is pointles IMO when you can have multiple points of light to cover an entire footprint.
HPS would always give me that mound effect with the outside colas being smaller.
With the cobs I get the same vertical growth on the entire footprint.
Double ended 1000 cmh next to my cob setup.
The cmh lost hands down. I'm not biased at all. I just ran them both on multiple side by sides and the cmh and HPS suck.
I ran 320 watts of cob in a 2x4 against a 600 HPS and the results were embarrassing. Hands down the cobs killed it. I got vertical growth from corner to corner with the cobs. HPS always has the big buds below the bulb and all the shit on the edges is lank. Plus I got 50 percent more swag using bulbs compared to cobs.
No comparison
Heisenbeans
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But the video dont lie. The plants under the cobs are pulling 400 less watts and look better and more full IMO than the cmh side. All clones and in the same rdwc.That's your call. I personally dont use an a/c to cool 2kw and I wont for 3kw either... I've done this for years and it's what I like. I know the way hps grows the plants and the buds it gives me. I know people who use led and some of them are even happy about the choice
You can also see more shadows on the cmh side.
One bulb sucks.
Cobs have 110 degree beams and you have multiple points of light covering the footprint better.
I could upgrade to 1.7 or 2.1mA drivers to get the same wattage as the 1000cmh and it would absolutely destroy a double ended anything bulb.
Delztronics
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I just don't see why you are getting so angry? It's just growing my dude.
growingforfun
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Why is it so important to you that I agree with you? LEDs are your choice and that's fine. Hps is my choice and that also fine.
growingforfun
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This is pretty much how I look at it. I grow a strain that a friend made that had been growing for 60 years. It does well for me and nobody else has it.
When I can buy a 1kw gavita for 300 shipped, and people claim its 10%+ more efficient than a single ended hps that's enough. I've got loads of experiance growing both open and aircooled hoods, it's easy for me to control the heat. I dont even pay to heat my house... 150$ a month for my whole house power bill and I got 2kw hps burning...
The led fans are so worried they fucked up they need everyone to agree with them or else they will know for sure they wasted money. And many of them then have to run heaters for the home or the room and I laugh my ass off that they dont count the power they are wasting to do so.
growingforfun
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Unfortunately for you, you just dont know how to use them. That's fine, use LEDs. I can use my hps during the summer when its 100+ outside during the day without ac. I just run them at night. It's not complicated, it's how people have done it for years. Just move more air.
Dont assume things about me, you dont know anything about me.
Kingrow1
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Side by side grows are so flawed, i seen the opposite where hps killed leds and those growers could run hid reguardless of temps cause they simply climate controlled the house.
Now i hear some of you cant afford to keep ya house at room temps and i wonder if ya wife is gona leave ya for being a cheap ass.
Growing with hid is easy, many dont get that it dosent matter the outside temps, were indoor growers
Heisenbeans
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No flaw, all the plants were in the same rdwc system. Only thing different about anything was the lightsSide by side grows are so flawed, i seen the opposite where hps killed leds and those growers could run hid reguardless of temps cause they simply climate controlled the house.
Now i hear some of you cant afford to keep ya house at room temps and i wonder if ya wife is gona leave ya for being a cheap ass.
Growing with hid is easy, many dont get that it dosent matter the outside temps, were indoor growers
GreenHighlander
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Cheers