Best light on the market ?

Heisenbeans

Heisenbeans

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Kingrow1 said:
Their science was weak mine stronger, easy targets i guess.

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Lol my cob setups make my old clunker hps setups look retarded. Just saying and I'm using less electricity and keeping room temps in better check.

Growth is the same from edge to edge. Was never like this using single double ended bulbs


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Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Heisenbeans said:
No flaw, all the plants were in the same rdwc system. Only thing different about anything was the lights
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Ive showed where these side by sides are flawed in many threads with great discussion. Ultimately for a more accurate veiw you need to take the best of hps vs the best of led grows and realise im right on far more than i get credit from.

Them 360 circular grows are the most efficient hps grows i know and theor numbers hands down won, leds are flawed at 110° shitty angles, maybe go bavk and have another lokk at multi vs single point light sources.

Theres a lot more but you need to realise wherexwe differ on accuracy :-)
 
Heisenbeans

Heisenbeans

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Kingrow1 said:
Ive showed where these side by sides are flawed in many threads with great discussion. Ultimately for a more accurate veiw you need to take the best of hps vs the best of led grows and realise im right on far more than i get credit from.

Them 360 circular grows are the most efficient hps grows i know and theor numbers hands down won, leds are flawed at 110° shitty angles, maybe go bavk and have another lokk at multi vs single point light sources.

Theres a lot more but you need to realise wherexwe differ on accuracy :-)
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That's why custom built led is the way to go. You have to have more multiple points of light with more overlap. 110 degrees dont work with 6 cobs covering a 4x5 . You have to have a light point every square foot.

Be the same principle as using a 20,000 watt light bulb in a 20 x 20 room or using 20 1000 watt gravitas. The 20 will kill the single all day long.
I think if you saw the right led setup you would see where I'm coming from.

I have ran double ended,cmh,315s the whole nine and they still dont compare to my cob setups.

All around I get nicer looking buds and the lower canopy temps gives me better density,less foxtailing and more trich coverage.
 
Big Perm

Big Perm

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It would be cool to have the lights do the arguing, wouldn't it? Let the lights speak for themselves through harvest pics. The pics I think would directly tell the story of not only the light, but also the grower.
If anyone wants to side-skirt the bs shouting matches and go to the source for the answer, it's here in this site already. Grow journals.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Like i dont need to argue with members as i can present a clearer picture -

No scientist would ever truly relate plant growth to ppfd, the corect spectrum for plants has yet to be found - led manufactures and members here would have you believe the opposite. Google up Wiley resource and scroll through papers that constantly make tjis point.

Led mofos would have you believe the red and blue spectrums are superior to all else - again adding in green yellow a lot of the hps spectrum andxso forth yeilds more, they forget the considerations science gives on the subject.

Heat radiation, these douches eould have you believe cutting ir and the heat radiation part of the spectrum makes coolerctents as so on - ya all light is radiation and almost half the suns spectrum is heat radiation ir and such. Why you trying to cut this out, you aint emulating the sun there. Did i mention transpiration is the most efficient cooler in nature, they didnt, is why leaves need this radiation or they start running slower and yeilds drop.

Hot tents - im just gona say all heat is radiation convection and conduction - mention real science and the fact thwt light radiation barely heats air and you just confuse these dimwits - heat is easy to remove and control and all light is hot - sunny day wnyone. This is why us hid growers dont struggle with heat and they bitch like fools.

We can go on like why a single point light source is better, how they have already hit max efficiency, how they start atguments with flipant remarks and put downs to everything but their lights....

Science dont change for leds :-)
 
Lordhooha

Lordhooha

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Heisenbeans said:
That's why custom built led is the way to go. You have to have more multiple points of light with more overlap. 110 degrees dont work with 6 cobs covering a 4x5 . You have to have a light point every square foot.

Be the same principle as using a 20,000 watt light bulb in a 20 x 20 room or using 20 1000 watt gravitas. The 20 will kill the single all day long.
I think if you saw the right led setup you would see where I'm coming from.

I have ran double ended,cmh,315s the whole nine and they still dont compare to my cob setups.

All around I get nicer looking buds and the lower canopy temps gives me better density,less foxtailing and more trich coverage.
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I’ve ran and still have my cobs and leds they grow very well. Im currently running these cmh 315’s which I’m liking they all grow though. Figured everyone is posting pics so here are some that just started to flower not to long ago under the nanolux’s.
 

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growingforfun

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Heisenbeans said:
That's why custom built led is the way to go. You have to have more multiple points of light with more overlap. 110 degrees dont work with 6 cobs covering a 4x5 . You have to have a light point every square foot.

Be the same principle as using a 20,000 watt light bulb in a 20 x 20 room or using 20 1000 watt gravitas. The 20 will kill the single all day long.
I think if you saw the right led setup you would see where I'm coming from.

I have ran double ended,cmh,315s the whole nine and they still dont compare to my cob setups.

All around I get nicer looking buds and the lower canopy temps gives me better density,less foxtailing and more trich coverage.
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If you were getting more foxfailing with hps then it's good you made the change to led. Some people do much better with led and your clearly one of them, it was a great choice. How much did that cost you btw?
 
Big Perm

Big Perm

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One thing I can say about hid is they throw off a lot of radiant heat that I can't get rid of no matter how much air I blow through them. I have a vented hood and cool tubes. I can blow the bulb heat away all day, but I can also cook hot dogs under it from the radiated heat from the bulb. I have to run my room cooler to account for that.
I've grown led. Not like the pro's but I've used some store bought led's. I've also made my own redneck one. My own tests revealed to me that it was a wash as far as efficiency and heat as far as what I wanted. If I could put an led in a vented hood or cool tube that would be amazing. I haven't really seen anything yet, and probably won't, because of the spread needed. My tests were with cheap led's and I knew that going in.

That being said, when was the last time your heard of shitty HID? My point behind that rhetorical question is anyone can hook up any hid and have one of the best lights at the flip of a switch. The same isn't true for led's. You have cheap ass blurple, and they get better the higher you go and get to top bin name brand diodes. It's not as easy as buying any led and plugging it in and getting results. Because of this, the facts surrounding high quality leds gets tarnished by the blurple cheap amazon fire sale led community.
I haven't tested out top bin diodes, only cheaper ones. I would like to build my own led someday with decent diodes, but that isn't now. To do it though, I'm going to have to cool the lighting a different way than I am now.
 
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Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Big Perm said:
One thing I can say about hid is they throw off a lot of radiant heat that I can't get rid of no matter how much air I blow through them. I have a vented hood and cool tubes. I can blow the bulb heat away all day, but I can also cook hot dogs under it from the radiated heat from the bulb. I have to run my room cooler to account for that.
I've grown led. Not like the pro's but I've used some store bought led's. I've also made my own redneck one. My own tests revealed to me that it was a wash as far as efficiency and heat as far as what I wanted. If I could put an led in a vented hood or cool tube that would be amazing. I haven't really seen anything yet, and probably won't, because of the spread needed. My tests were with cheap led's and I knew that going in.

That being said, when was the last time your heard of shitty HID? My point behind that question is anyone can hook up any hid and have one of the best lights at the flip of a switch. The same isn't true for led's. You have cheap ass blurple, and they get better the higher you go and get to top bin name brand diodes. It's not as easy as buying any led and plugging it in and getting results. Because of this, the facts surrounding high quality leds gets tarnished by the blurple cheap amazon fire sale led community.
I haven't tested out top bin diodes, only cheaper ones. I would like to build my own led someday with decent diodes, but that isn't now. To do it though, I'm going to have to cool the lighting a different way than I am now.
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Cool tubes wont do anything for radiant heat, cooling somthing a feww hundred/thou degrees wont work, the bulb will always be hot. You will cool the reflector, bit of a waste of elecy though....

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xtsho

xtsho

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I'm still waiting for someone to give me a valid reason to spend a bunch of money on new lights when I am already growing more high quality weed than I can consume with my HID. I'd rather spend that money on airfare for myself and my lady to the Bahamas or Aruba this January. Some of us have more important things to do than chase another .0286744532 grams per watt.

I don't live for cannabis. Cannabis is just one small part of my life.
 
Big Perm

Big Perm

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Kingrow1 said:
Cool tubes wont do anything for radiant heat, cooling somthing a feww hundred/thou degrees wont work, the bulb will always be hot. You will cool the reflector, bit of a waste of elecy though....

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I don't think anything will work for radiant heat. That was kind of my point.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Heisenbeans said:
Lol
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But then in stepped cmh/lec all of a sudden leds wings get clipped by yet another single point light source.

See it aint just hps growers, your on the ropes mate, leds great lights but you lot turnedem into snakeoil and slung dick all over town... yee haw cowboy :-)
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Big Perm said:
I don't think anything will work for radiant heat. That was kind of my point.
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Transpiration works for radiant heat and the sun spits out more than our puny lights.

Why make a problem that dont exist unless you have a light with very little radiant heat and want to sell them... smelling da coffee uet bro?

Also as mentioned light carries similar energies, radiant or not leaves work on heat energy too :-)
 
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Lordhooha

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Kingrow1 said:
But then in stepped cmh/lec all of a sudden leds wings get clipped by yet another single point light source.

See it aint just hps growers, your on the ropes mate, leds great lights but you lot turnedem into snakeoil and slung dick all over town... yee haw cowboy :-)
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I’m liking the ole cmh I may be switching one of my rooms over fully. I spent stupid money on geothermal to heat and cool my rooms so heat from any light doesn’t concern me.
 
Big Perm

Big Perm

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Kingrow1 said:
Heat is radiation convection and conduction, only this all else was made up by led and yet to cover this subject members :-)
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Devil's advocate:
What if you could take my single point radiant heat source and instead spread it out over the canopy. Also, take out the spectrum of my light that the plant doesn't use. Knock those watts down because of that, and what do you have?
 
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