CrackerJax
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Untrue.... please don't try and go through life thinking that the bible is some sort of moral code...it isn't. Unless of course you have never read it.
Jesus had no problem with slavery ... where's the moral code there?
The Bible has no problem with infanticide... where's the morals there?
It's nothing to emulate....
Jesus had no problem with slavery ... where's the moral code there?
The Bible has no problem with infanticide... where's the morals there?
It's nothing to emulate....
Woodstock.Hippie
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morgentaler
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If, by morality, you mean a set of rules and conduct that you only live by under fear of an invisible man torturing you by eternity... then you'd be correct.
But many people don't need the threat of eternal damnation to prevent their raping and murdering their neighbors. If you're one of the people that does, you're not the kind of person I want for a neighbor. After all, what happens if you start to lose faith.
Social altruism in pack animals existed long before any bible. The idea that you can do good for another member of the pack and it is beneficial for the pack as a whole has been a strong force for the continuation species in inhospitable environments.
If you really feel that the bible gives you some kind of moral superiority, consider that if YOU were to be taken back to the time that book was written they would almost certainly find some discretion on your part which violates that morality. And it would possibly result in your death.
Enjoy your hypocrisy.
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PadawanBater
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"Morality" is a concept invented and explained up by man, passed down to us for thousands of generations as an evolutionary advantage over other organisms. Altruism, empathy, sympathy, etc... all make up what we interpret morality to be. It's just that we've evolved to the point now where we can explain such things with language.
If you believe such a thing as "objective morality" exists, then you certainly have a lot of explaining to do...
-slavery
-basic ecosystems that rely on the death of one creature or organism for others to survive
-the fact that there are countless different doctrines and ideologies that claim moral superiority, and the likelihood of choosing the correct one
-the fact that I could come up with ten commandments that would put any existing gods to shame
-illogical inconsistencies (countless ones)
-the lack of evidence
As an atheist, I choose what is right and wrong based on common sense, my sense of empathy, and more often than not, what is best for the population at large, the species, because I want to make whatever small contribution to the future that I can.
You are born with a sense of right and wrong. You weren't created with it, you were endowed with it via the natural process of evolution, because it is advantageous for you to know what is good for other members of your species and what isn't.
nationtoxic
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Religion in my opinion is made up bullshit, a way to control the masses especially back than that's why everybody was making different variants to suit there needs at the time all the leaders were treating the general public like shit and gave them something to believe that has been modified throughout the thousands of years.
Perfect example the movie 10,000 BC the pharaoh comes out and tens of thousands of slaves kneel on the ground being there was only a few thousand guards and they think hes godly but are to afraid to find out for themselves I think this is where all this derived from. Just basic control those slaves can't help themselves there uneducated and back than they believed in all the crap which was believed by word of mouth and than written down there you go the bible.
Religion has many dark sides some of them contain no morale story but we only hear the morality of it all especially in school yes maybe it does teach you how to be a better person but obsessing about it.... not a chance
Perfect example the movie 10,000 BC the pharaoh comes out and tens of thousands of slaves kneel on the ground being there was only a few thousand guards and they think hes godly but are to afraid to find out for themselves I think this is where all this derived from. Just basic control those slaves can't help themselves there uneducated and back than they believed in all the crap which was believed by word of mouth and than written down there you go the bible.
Religion has many dark sides some of them contain no morale story but we only hear the morality of it all especially in school yes maybe it does teach you how to be a better person but obsessing about it.... not a chance
xXF0RE20Xx
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Religion is wrong period. So many wars have been caused because someone believed in something else. So many people who pray to their supposed gods, get nothing in return. Live your life based on what your know, if something good happened to you, it just happened, "god" nor "jesus" had anything to do with it. Same if something "bad" happened. Life is luck and chances.....not some thought up plan by some fucked up douche thinking it was ok to scare the population into believing it. 
N8fACt0R
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Remember, diversity ( in all its forms ) gives life a better chance to continue. Please, strive to educate yourself and then formulate an opinion. A person who is unread and has no formal education has only their individual feelings and opinions to base their thoughts upon. Give yourself the chance to learn and do not close your mind to the possibilities that exist. The earth is large, but our own world is very small. - I hope the best for all of you
CrackerJax
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Diversity of species.... perhaps.
But believing in myths is not diversity. An incorrect conclusion or belief is simply that...incorrect.
It's not a balancing act.
But believing in myths is not diversity. An incorrect conclusion or belief is simply that...incorrect.
It's not a balancing act.
CrackerJax
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Nonsense. Diversity in the realms of ideals is fine, but only if correct.
Hitler had ideas and beliefs.... did it promote survival?
Ideas are either correct or they aren't.... it's not a tapestry where incorrect ideas hold the same fabric together...no, they fray the edges.
Hitler had ideas and beliefs.... did it promote survival?
Ideas are either correct or they aren't.... it's not a tapestry where incorrect ideas hold the same fabric together...no, they fray the edges.
N8fACt0R
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How can any one person or for that manner any number of persons determine what is a correct ideal for any other person than themselves? This is the basis of freedom, and to believe you can determine a "universal truth" is not only egotistical, but proves that you are arguing a position that is based upon personal opinion, not fact. "We" (the population of the world) are individuals capable and in fact demanding of the ability to choose. You make the reference that Hitler did not promote life, but let me point out that while Hitler is associated with the death of many Jews, Hitler was in fact attempting to create what he believed to be a "master race" that would enable life to have a better chance of survival. You ask, Did Hitlers beliefs promote survival? In fact yes they indirectly did. While Hitler did bring about the holocaust, which as we all know resulted in many deaths, do not disregard the importance of the lesson taught to every man, woman, and child regarding the manner in which not only nations but the people of those nations need conduct themselves and handle diversity. Remember, when a bone breaks the mend is stronger than the original. PS- Im Jewish
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PadawanBater
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Thus the importance of SCIENCE my friend.
It can't be emphasized enough.
The good of something, an ideal, a theory, a medical procedure, can be measured via science. The bad ones get discarded. I agree with you that diversity is good, in that it allows us to see the way we went wrong and thus improve upon the information we have and continue to gain knowledge.
But we have ways to weed out correct ideas from incorrect ideas. Those ideas that are incorrect, whether the people who believe in them believe they get some kind of comfort or not, they're dangerous to the rest of us, and the price we pay for it is unacceptable.
CrackerJax
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So murder is an acceptable idea?
We determine if ideas are correct or not by EXAMINING them. All ideas are not equal.
Religion is at the bottom of the pile as far as testable ideas.
The bottom....
CrackerJax
New Member
Ur very confused.... ideas are not connected to natural selection.
You need to crack some books laddy. Lots of them.
You need to crack some books laddy. Lots of them.
CrackerJax
New Member
Religion isn't an idea... it's a myth.
And the "natural selection" has been earned by blood and persecution.
Is that how we should winnow ideas?
Or should they be judged on merit and validity?
Religion cannot be validated..... only believed without evidence.
Again, that's not an idea.... that's myth.
Let's just bring back Mithra then ... since it's as valid as Christianity or any other modern religion.
I think you mean memes perhaps...which is quite different. Religion as a meme has been successful,because of blood, but it doesn't mean it is a beneficial meme. And it is not beneficial, but holds us back. Put down the fairy tale and face life as it is, not as you wish it to be. That's for children.
And the "natural selection" has been earned by blood and persecution.
Is that how we should winnow ideas?
Or should they be judged on merit and validity?
Religion cannot be validated..... only believed without evidence.
Again, that's not an idea.... that's myth.
Let's just bring back Mithra then ... since it's as valid as Christianity or any other modern religion.
I think you mean memes perhaps...which is quite different. Religion as a meme has been successful,because of blood, but it doesn't mean it is a beneficial meme. And it is not beneficial, but holds us back. Put down the fairy tale and face life as it is, not as you wish it to be. That's for children.
Sustainable420
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I tend to be more of a freethinker myself, but I know the limits of the scientific method. I'm currently an agnostic-atheist, or vice versa. The positive turning of my life thus far was reading the book 50 Reasons People Give For Believing in a God. It's not theology philosophy by any means, but it gives perspective to living on this rock.
CrackerJax
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Life is hard.... and man is scared of the knowledge of his own mortality.
and that's why ppl are drawn to religion.... not because it's correct. Any objective reading and utilization of the simplest of logic shows it cannot possibly be correct.
It's a crutch, and I understand that many folks still need it, but I wonder how many really need it, other than that they've been indoctrinated since childhood that they do.
and that's why ppl are drawn to religion.... not because it's correct. Any objective reading and utilization of the simplest of logic shows it cannot possibly be correct.
It's a crutch, and I understand that many folks still need it, but I wonder how many really need it, other than that they've been indoctrinated since childhood that they do.
N8fACt0R
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LOL, I have just recently received my PHD in Philosophy from Berkeley. Perhaps you should re-read the above comment. You should focus on the part where I mentioned that it was a combination of natural selection AND trial and error. Since you failed to grasp that part of the comment I can very clearly understand why you would be confused. Perhaps this site may help you better understand some part of what I am attempting to convey.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolib...0_0/history_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolib...0_0/history_01