anyone else think its disgusting that christians are accepting gays now?

Leothwyn

Leothwyn

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carl.burnette said:
Its irrelevant weather the Christian accept gays or not. Its the Bible, the word of God, that says no to the homosexuals.. Not a good thing, not a bad thing. The bible just says its an abomination to God. Our opinions (including mine) on the subject mean squat. God said it, I believe it, that settles it. :)
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The thing is, christians constantly pick and choose which parts of the bible to believe and which to ignore. So it boils down to choosing to believe that homosexuality is a sin. If you think the bible is the word of god and should all be taken seriously, then have look at this funny letter:


Dear Dr. Laura

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room
here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to
death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with
their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is
eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,
Jack
 
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Michael Phelps

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Leothwyn said:
The thing is, christians constantly pick and choose which parts of the bible to believe and which to ignore. So it boils down to choosing to believe that homosexuality is a sin. If you think the bible is the word of god and should all be taken seriously, then have look at this funny letter:


Dear Dr. Laura

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room
here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to
death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with
their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is
eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,
Jack
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Epic! +rep
 
Luger187

Luger187

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Johnnyorganic said:
That is casting a wide net.

Not every Christian religion is altering it's views on Homosexuals.

Some Christian religions have long been accepting of homosexuals.

Some Christian religions refuse to change.

Some are beginning to see the contradiction and are moving to correct their official policies.

At one time, the official view of the Catholic Church was that the other planets and the sun revolved around the Earth. They damn near killed Galileo over it. They did, however, force him to renounce his findings and essentially held him under house arrest for the rest of his life. Since then, they have come around.

It happens when the evidence against their position is overwhelming.

When it does we should applaud them, not berate them for changing their position.
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so if a serial rapist stops raping, we should applaud him for changing his position? what about a serial killer? serial thief?

christians have done many terrible things to homosexuals for many years. but all is forgotten now that they changed their mind?
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
Luger187 said:
so if a serial rapist stops raping, we should applaud him for changing his position? what about a serial killer? serial thief?

christians have done many terrible things to homosexuals for many years. but all is forgotten now that they changed their mind?
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Apples and oranges. You do understand that there is a distinction between the acts of an individual and the doctrines of a religion held over the course of hundreds, possibly thousands of years. You do understand the difference, right?

Criminals who reform should be applauded and encouraged, which is not to say they should not be held accountable. But those are individuals.

I am left-handed. If I had lived during the Middle Ages, the Church would have burned me at the stake. They have since renounced such a barbaric view. I forgive them.

Apparently you would condemn every member of a religion whether they personally held a particular view or not. And whether or not they participated in these 'terrible things' you mention.

How would you punish an entire religion without becoming a fucking NAZI in the process?

Is that what you are suggesting?
 
thedoc08

thedoc08

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How would you punish an entire religion without becoming a fucking NAZI in the process?
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Get rid of it and watch a majority of the spineless folks who depend on it to get through their day fold in half. That would not require me to kill millions of Jews.
 
Luger187

Luger187

Well-Known Member
Johnnyorganic said:
Apples and oranges. You do understand that there is a distinction between the acts of an individual and the doctrines of a religion held over the course of hundreds, possibly thousands of years. You do understand the difference, right?

Criminals who reform should be applauded and encouraged, which is not to say they should not be held accountable. But those are individuals.

I am left-handed. If I had lived during the Middle Ages, the Church would have burned me at the stake. They have since renounced such a barbaric view. I forgive them.

Apparently you would condemn every member of a religion whether they personally held a particular view or not. And whether or not they participated in these 'terrible things' you mention.

How would you punish an entire religion without becoming a fucking NAZI in the process?

Is that what you are suggesting?
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i do condemn every member of the big religions. every person that believes in their religion perpetuates the atrocities that that religion as a whole commits. i believe that they are being lied to, and commit acts based on those lies. guilty by association.

the person who commits a crime because of religion, does so because there is 50 people at his church who tell him what is right and what is wrong. without that church, and all those people making him believe those things, he probably would not have committed that crime. therefore, the people at the church are also partially responsible. they perpetuated the situation. and for what? so "god" can be happy...
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
thedoc08 said:
Get rid of it and watch a majority of the spineless folks who depend on it to get through their day fold in half. That would not require me to kill millions of Jews.
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History shows us that when a religion is banned, it does not disappear. It goes underground.

Time passes. Things change, and eventually the oppressors find themselves in the minority - and majorly FUCKED.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
Luger187 said:
i do condemn every member of the big religions. every person that believes in their religion perpetuates the atrocities that that religion as a whole commits. i believe that they are being lied to, and commit acts based on those lies. guilty by association
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Once again you are casting a wide net.

So what measures would you suggest which would punish an entire religion without NAZIFYING yourself?

Although the whole 'guilt by association' madness puts you on the right track for it.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
Luger187 said:
i do condemn every member of the big religions. every person that believes in their religion perpetuates the atrocities that that religion as a whole commits. i believe that they are being lied to, and commit acts based on those lies. guilty by association.

the person who commits a crime because of religion, does so because there is 50 people at his church who tell him what is right and what is wrong. without that church, and all those people making him believe those things, he probably would not have committed that crime. therefore, the people at the church are also partially responsible. they perpetuated the situation. and for what? so "god" can be happy...
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Post-edit FOUL!

Are you now just pulling hypothetical situations out of your ass?

Why don't you provide some concrete examples? I will comment on those.
 
Leothwyn

Leothwyn

Well-Known Member
Luger187 said:
so if a serial rapist stops raping, we should applaud him for changing his position? what about a serial killer? serial thief?

christians have done many terrible things to homosexuals for many years. but all is forgotten now that they changed their mind?
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It's not just about individual christians changing their minds (which I applaud), it's also a matter of older, more conservative ones dieing, and younger, more open-minded ones growing up and taking their place. You talk about it like it's just some guy who used to beat up queers for fun, and now is willing to accept them.
 
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redivider

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yeah you nazi!!

don't you know that opposing a religions endorsement of discrimination based on sexual orientation makes you a nazi???

you fucking nazi.

you objecting to the church's shun of homosexuals makes you into an intolerant german, whos heartfelt belief is that hitler is the chosen leader of the pure aryan race, and that part of His, the Lords, master plan involves killing off every other race in systemic fashion in order to achieve aryan racial purity???

read a book for once.....
 
thedoc08

thedoc08

New Member
redivider said:
yeah you nazi!!

don't you know that opposing a religions endorsement of discrimination based on sexual orientation makes you a nazi???

you fucking nazi.

you objecting to the church's shun of homosexuals makes you into an intolerant german, whos heartfelt belief is that hitler is the chosen leader of the pure aryan race, and that part of His, the Lords, master plan involves killing off every other race in systemic fashion in order to achieve aryan racial purity???

read a book for once.....
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White power- Clayton Bigsby.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
redivider said:
yeah you nazi!!

don't you know that opposing a religions endorsement of discrimination based on sexual orientation makes you a nazi???

you fucking nazi.

you objecting to the church's shun of homosexuals makes you into an intolerant german, whos heartfelt belief is that hitler is the chosen leader of the pure aryan race, and that part of His, the Lords, master plan involves killing off every other race in systemic fashion in order to achieve aryan racial purity???

read a book for once.....
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Read my POSTS. I made no such claim.

The NAZIs did not try to exterminate the Jews purely for the goal of racial purity. Initially it was punishment. Jews were viewed by the NAZIs as parasites to German society. Jews were blamed for the predicament Germany found itself in following The Great War.

Perhaps you should read a book yourself.

MY meaning was that punishing an ENTIRE religion would require a NAZI mindset.

Refute THAT.
 
thedoc08

thedoc08

New Member
I was never talking about banning a specific religion, but about the whole concept of religion evaporating.
 
Luger187

Luger187

Well-Known Member
Johnnyorganic said:
Once again you are casting a wide net.

So what measures would you suggest which would punish an entire religion without NAZIFYING yourself?

Although the whole 'guilt by association' madness puts you on the right track for it.
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well, if we were to show people that their holy book was written by humans, and not god, that would probably help. im not saying kill them all LOL, they just need to be shown what they really believe in. they tend to think its the direct word of god and all that bullshit. its not...

Johnnyorganic said:
Post-edit FOUL!

Are you now just pulling hypothetical situations out of your ass?

Why don't you provide some concrete examples? I will comment on those.
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post-edit foul? huh?

incase u didnt notice... that was a hypothetical example. u know damn well people can be pushed to commit crimes because of their beliefs. salem witch trials anyone? if nobody in salem was brainwashed by their religion, they would have no reason to think their neighbors r witches
 
Luger187

Luger187

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lol this nazi crap is funny.

if u educate people enough, and show them that religions are just books written over the course of thousands of years... people would no longer believe it. there would be no reason to believe in it, because they see that there isnt REALLY a god behind that book. some stories may be true in the bible, but theyve been twisted so many times, and are ALWAYS the account of a human on earth. there is absolutely nothing in the bible that a person on earth could not figure out
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

Well-Known Member
Luger187 said:
well, if we were to show people that their holy book was written by humans, and not god, that would probably help. im not saying kill them all LOL, they just need to be shown what they really believe in. they tend to think its the direct word of god and all that bullshit. its not...
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So how would you accomplish this?

How would they be SHOWN the error of their ways in a free society?

Re-education camps? :-P

Luger187 said:
post-edit foul? huh?

incase u didnt notice... that was a hypothetical example. u know damn well people can be pushed to commit crimes because of their beliefs. salem witch trials anyone? if nobody in salem was brainwashed by their religion, they would have no reason to think their neighbors r witches
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There is no 'huh?' to it. You added substantive content after submitting the post while I was preparing a rebuttal to the original post. That's a big fat foul.

Hypothetical examples only count 'hypothetically.'

Provide concrete examples and I will respond.
 
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