Anyone else cannabis taste blind?

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GWilliamsCannabis

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When it's commercially grown it tends to all taste the same.

When things are small batch or privately grown with care; the flavors become incredible.

Nowadays commercial weed CAN taste really good in some cases but it still isn't close to a small batch homegrown.

But it depends on who/how it's being grown and cured.

I used to think there were some flavors like spice sour and earth....but that's it.....then waaaay back in the day I got blueberry....I thought it was just a name because it smelt like blueberry and even looked like blueberries it was these tiny green and blue nugs.....once I smoked it; it changed everything I thought was possible in weed lol....shit tasted 100% of sweet blueberry- my mind was blown lol.

Very rarely I get a strain with such pronounced flavor; but they're out there.

Usually it's typical weed flavor with a good flavor in the background....or the flavor is really intense for a few hits then gets muted by resin
 
MeOhMyOhio

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tstick said:
My feeling is that if the old school weed, that I speak of, actually was around to this day, then everyone would be smoking it. I have been looking and looking and reading all kinds of reviews and descriptions. I've taken the bait and tried a few of the so-called real thing.....none of it was even close to what I remember from the old days. Selling seeds is big money and anyone can claim to have the real thing, whether they are telling the truth or not. Who would know other than some other old school people? And there are fewer and fewer of us left. I feel fortunate to have been able to be a part of what I feel is the best era of marijuana. If we could have only carried it long enough to have made it to the present day, when the technology to grow it better exists. I'm still searching for something that rings of the old days....just haven't found it yet.
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As you know from my posts on my thread...I am on the same quest! Having grown in the 80s-90s, I know the difference in flavor and buzz profile of todays strains. I'm just looking for a few "anchor" strains that have fewer genetic branches. I have been messing with landrace strains, and trying a few,"simple crosses".
Everything is so diluted now, We only had limited resources back in the 80s-90s, most seeds came from Holland, or California, or Mexican bag seeds. (Those Mexican bag seeds held some treasures sometimes)

I have Malawi x Shiva Skunk seeds finishing now. Also Columbian Skunk x Shiva Skunk.
I'll be dropping some of those beans soon. Let me know if you find an old school strain.
 
tstick

tstick

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MeOhMyOhio said:
As you know from my posts on my thread...I am on the same quest! Having grown in the 80s-90s, I know the difference in flavor and buzz profile of todays strains. I'm just looking for a few "anchor" strains that have fewer genetic branches. I have been messing with landrace strains, and trying a few,"simple crosses".
Everything is so diluted now, We only had limited resources back in the 80s-90s, most seeds came from Holland, or California, or Mexican bag seeds. (Those Mexican bag seeds held some treasures sometimes)

I have Malawi x Shiva Skunk seeds finishing now. Also Columbian Skunk x Shiva Skunk.
I'll be dropping some of those beans soon. Let me know if you find an old school strain.
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I will! In fact, I think that most anyone would tell everyone if they actually found something that was really the real deal. But, I don't see how that will happen if it hasn't happened by now. There are many seed sellers who claim to have something....But everyone knows those seed sellers and people have grown those seeds out....and yet...nothing.
Anyone who was around when the original landrace marijuana strains were going around (like me) would know. But most smokers, now, are young and all they have to go on are these legendary stories.
I was hoping that Kevin Jodery would have found a way back to the old school weed. If he can't figure it out by this time, then I think it must be gone. I can't even imagine it all being gone, but when I read about all this new automatic cannabis, it really worries me. "Fast Flowering" strains are starting to appear....I don't read much about breeding things with the goal to get back to the old days. Apparently, automatic cannabis is the trend for the younger people -for whatever reason. No one cares to grow a 16-week, 7-foot tall Sativa that produces only a couple ounces per plant. They'd rather have a short, squat plant that produces donkey dick, lemony-smelling colas....and yields....ABOUT A POUND per plant! ;) I get it if you're a commercial operation, but I'm just a hobbyist who grows my own weed for myself. I don't need high yields. But that's the game now....thus, a lot of stories, but no substance.
 
Tolerance Break

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tstick said:
I will! In fact, I think that most anyone would tell everyone if they actually found something that was really the real deal. But, I don't see how that will happen if it hasn't happened by now. There are many seed sellers who claim to have something....But everyone knows those seed sellers and people have grown those seeds out....and yet...nothing.
Anyone who was around when the original landrace marijuana strains were going around (like me) would know. But most smokers, now, are young and all they have to go on are these legendary stories.
I was hoping that Kevin Jodery would have found a way back to the old school weed. If he can't figure it out by this time, then I think it must be gone. I can't even imagine it all being gone, but when I read about all this new automatic cannabis, it really worries me. "Fast Flowering" strains are starting to appear....I don't read much about breeding things with the goal to get back to the old days. Apparently, automatic cannabis is the trend for the younger people -for whatever reason. No one cares to grow a 16-week, 7-foot tall Sativa that produces only a couple ounces per plant. They'd rather have a short, squat plant that produces donkey dick, lemony-smelling colas....and yields....ABOUT A POUND per plant! ;) I get it if you're a commercial operation, but I'm just a hobbyist who grows my own weed for myself. I don't need high yields. But that's the game now....thus, a lot of stories, but no substance.
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Tom Hills Haze is still around. Original haze is sold by Todd Mcormick who got the seeds from skunkman Sam, who got them from the Haze brothers in the 60s/70s. Hell, I have jamacan lambsbread IBL in my freezer from a community seed giveaway.

People aren't desperately searching for it because it's not really hidden.
 
tstick

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Tolerance Break said:
Tom Hills Haze is still around. Original haze is sold by Todd Mcormick who got the seeds from skunkman Sam, who got them from the Haze brothers in the 60s/70s. Hell, I have jamacan lambsbread IBL in my freezer from a community seed giveaway.

People aren't desperately searching for it because it's not really hidden.
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I never heard the term "haze" -outside of Purple Haze! We called weed by the place it came from..."Mexican" "Oaxacan" "Jamaican" "Columbian" "Acapulco Gold". I don't EVER remember the term haze in the 60's or 70's so it's odd there are Haze Brothers who have seed stock from then. This whole "kush" and "haze" thing is quite a bit more youthful than myself. I never heard of Jamaican Lambsbread back then, either. We hardly saw anything from Jamaica...but when we did, we just called it "Jamaican."

Not meaning to come across as disrespectful, but how do you know you have Jamaican landrace seeds in your freezer and not just some random thing that someone came up with in the last decade? How would you know unless you had been in Jamaica smoking with Bob back in the day? You are just taking someone's word for it. I experienced this when I bought some Hazeman's Chocolate Thai. It wasn't anything close to the Thai weed that I had smoked in the 70's....and I grew it to it's fullest potential....nothing. It wasn't real. It was just something else. But, like I say, people can call anything anything they want and, unless you know from experience, then you can't assess its legitimacy.
 
Tolerance Break

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tstick said:
I never heard the term "haze" -outside of Purple Haze! We called weed by the place it came from..."Mexican" "Oaxacan" "Jamaican" "Columbian" "Acapulco Gold". I don't EVER remember the term haze in the 60's or 70's so it's odd there are Haze Brothers who have seed stock from then. This whole "kush" and "haze" thing is quite a bit more youthful than myself. I never heard of Jamaican Lambsbread back then, either. We hardly saw anything from Jamaica...but when we did, we just called it "Jamaican."

Not meaning to come across as disrespectful, but how do you know you have Jamaican landrace seeds in your freezer and not just some random thing that someone came up with in the last decade? How would you know unless you had been in Jamaica smoking with Bob back in the day? You are just taking someone's word for it. I experienced this when I bought some Hazeman's Chocolate Thai. It wasn't anything close to the Thai weed that I had smoked in the 70's....and I grew it to it's fullest potential....nothing. It wasn't real. It was just something else. But, like I say, people can call anything anything they want and, unless you know from experience, then you can't assess its legitimacy.
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The Haze brothers were growing it in the 60s and 70s, Sam got seed from them and gave some to Nevile Shoemaker of "the seedbank of holland" the original cannabis seed bank. There's a whole lot more to that story, but that's beside the point. The Haze Todd sells is in bred and pre dates what Nevile did with it in the 70s and 80s.

The lambsbread was given to another forum member by the vibes collective. He did an open pollination and gave the seeds to the community to keep them going, as it was never meant to be sold. Its an awful lot of work to grow a 20+ week plant out just to share it with others, and the photos people have shared who have already grown out the seeds look nothing like anything I've ever smoked, structurally speaking.

I trust your lived experience, and I can see why you feel how you feel, but it doesn't invalidate the experience of others who have and continue to grow strains of old.
 
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Tolerance Break said:
The Haze brothers were growing it in the 60s and 70s, Sam got seed from them and gave some to Nevile Shoemaker of "the seedbank of holland" the original cannabis seed bank. There's a whole lot more to that story, but that's beside the point. The Haze Todd sells is in bred and pre dates what Nevile did with it in the 70s and 80s.

The lambsbread was given to another forum member by the vibes collective. He did an open pollination and gave the seeds to the community to keep them going, as it was never meant to be sold. Its an awful lot of work to grow a 20+ week plant out just to share it with others, and the photos people have shared who have already grown out the seeds look nothing like anything I've ever smoked, structurally speaking.

I trust your lived experience, and I can see why you feel how you feel, but it doesn't invalidate the experience of others who have and continue to grow strains of old.
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I can't invalidate anyone else's experience. I can only speak through my own. I was a grower back in the 70's. I had a gallon-sized jar of every kind of landrace seed you could imagine. I got Thai weed from a Peace Corps worker after the Vietnam War. I had Gold Columbian, Oaxacan. I had Hawaiian sinsemilla that was unlike anything I've ever seen. I could tell some kinds of weed just from looking at the seeds -like Oaxacan. I have read story after story about these people who have kept the old lineage going....I bought into those kinds of stories several times. None of those stories have turned out to be true at all -not even close to true. Maybe there is some kind of secret inner-circle society that has everything I'm looking for. If that's the case, then good for them and bad for me. But....the Emperor has no clothes based on my own experiences....which go back to the mid 1970's. You're not going taste-blind, my friend. The weed just isn't what it used to be.
 
Funkentelechy

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tstick said:
I never heard the term "haze" -outside of Purple Haze! We called weed by the place it came from..."Mexican" "Oaxacan" "Jamaican" "Columbian" "Acapulco Gold". I don't EVER remember the term haze in the 60's or 70's so it's odd there are Haze Brothers who have seed stock from then. This whole "kush" and "haze" thing is quite a bit more youthful than myself. I never heard of Jamaican Lambsbread back then, either. We hardly saw anything from Jamaica...but when we did, we just called it "Jamaican".
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I think a lot of that comes down to living in a growing region or not. Back in the day if you lived in an area that grew weed most of the weed you bought, or seeds you grew, didn't have a name. Often if it did have a name it was just a name given to it locally or as you said just a place of origin. In contrast, Holland and other European breeders got a specific stock of seeds from a specific person who gave it a name. And from then on it would be called "Nevil's Skunk", or "Jamaican Lambsbread". Most if not all of these named strains came through these growing regions in the US, or were sourced from growers in growing regions in the US, but these names weren't used by the people who grew them. Back then people would buy whatever you grew so names just weren't important to big growers. All this makes it really hard to find things that you remember back in the day.

A lot of the best strains back then were just traded between friend networks and were called different things by different people. Sometimes those strains made their way to famous breeders where the names were changed from what had been generalized descriptors, like skunk, Jamaican, or Columbian, to specific names ascribed to one strain that came from a single source. Whereas if you lived in a growing region there were several different plants with the same name.

So now if you look for Jamaican it might not be the Jamaican you grew up with, and the one you know is either named something else by the person who sold seeds of it to a seedbank or the people who grew it back in the day simply grew something else and didn't continue the line further. I know I've grown and smoked a whole bunch of Northern Lights over the years, but which one? No clue. No clue if what I grew up with as Northern Lights is the same thing that people were getting from seed banks in Holland as Nothern Lights. I've grown plants called Northern Lights that were similar but not the same.
Long story short people are preserving and selling strains from back then but the chances that they are the same strains that you had experience with are not great.

And getting back to the OP, yes I think a person can be cannabis taste blind. Some people look at me like I'm an alien when I get into in depth descriptions of flavors in weed sometimes.
I nerd out on flavors. I am a big fan of expensive Scotch too so I very much enjoy sipping and analyzing the layers of flavors. It would be a much cheaper hobby if I couldn't taste the difference between good Scotch and mediocre Scotch.
 
Billy the Mountain

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Your scotch comment reminds me of wine aficionados.
It's not hyperbole to call it "junk science".
There's been many double-blind experiments where "experts" where no better than chance.
Interestingly, a wine's label was more correlated with it's score than it's contents.
 
conor c

conor c

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Funkentelechy said:
I think a lot of that comes down to living in a growing region or not. Back in the day if you lived in an area that grew weed most of the weed you bought, or seeds you grew, didn't have a name. Often if it did have a name it was just a name given to it locally or as you said just a place of origin. In contrast, Holland and other European breeders got a specific stock of seeds from a specific person who gave it a name. And from then on it would be called "Nevil's Skunk", or "Jamaican Lambsbread". Most if not all of these named strains came through these growing regions in the US, or were sourced from growers in growing regions in the US, but these names weren't used by the people who grew them. Back then people would buy whatever you grew so names just weren't important to big growers. All this makes it really hard to find things that you remember back in the day.

A lot of the best strains back then were just traded between friend networks and were called different things by different people. Sometimes those strains made their way to famous breeders where the names were changed from what had been generalized descriptors, like skunk, Jamaican, or Columbian, to specific names ascribed to one strain that came from a single source. Whereas if you lived in a growing region there were several different plants with the same name.

So now if you look for Jamaican it might not be the Jamaican you grew up with, and the one you know is either named something else by the person who sold seeds of it to a seedbank or the people who grew it back in the day simply grew something else and didn't continue the line further. I know I've grown and smoked a whole bunch of Northern Lights over the years, but which one? No clue. No clue if what I grew up with as Northern Lights is the same thing that people were getting from seed banks in Holland as Nothern Lights. I've grown plants called Northern Lights that were similar but not the same.
Long story short people are preserving and selling strains from back then but the chances that they are the same strains that you had experience with are not great.

And getting back to the OP, yes I think a person can be cannabis taste blind. Some people look at me like I'm an alien when I get into in depth descriptions of flavors in weed sometimes.
I nerd out on flavors. I am a big fan of expensive Scotch too so I very much enjoy sipping and analyzing the layers of flavors. It would be a much cheaper hobby if I couldn't taste the difference between good Scotch and mediocre Scotch.
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That's my pet hate it's whisky or scottish whisky i hate when folk call it scotch you won't hear us Scots calling it so I agree with you It be so much cheaper if everything tasted close to one and other
 
compassionateExotic

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tstick said:
I can't invalidate anyone else's experience. I can only speak through my own. I was a grower back in the 70's. I had a gallon-sized jar of every kind of landrace seed you could imagine. I got Thai weed from a Peace Corps worker after the Vietnam War. I had Gold Columbian, Oaxacan. I had Hawaiian sinsemilla that was unlike anything I've ever seen. I could tell some kinds of weed just from looking at the seeds -like Oaxacan. I have read story after story about these people who have kept the old lineage going....I bought into those kinds of stories several times. None of those stories have turned out to be true at all -not even close to true. Maybe there is some kind of secret inner-circle society that has everything I'm looking for. If that's the case, then good for them and bad for me. But....the Emperor has no clothes based on my own experiences....which go back to the mid 1970's. You're not going taste-blind, my friend. The weed just isn't what it used to be.
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it’s prolly cause like food to drink and smoking, ur taste buds def get more dull and not as good when ur older

also when u smoke papers or blunts, gross vs glass or vape and that def can change ur end results
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also people’s memories and experiences can make something ”better” than reality for example if u weren’t a grower and hd to buy from 60’s- early 2000’s there def was dry parts of season and weed that was prime was the hash vs flower. The weed from Canada to kush and jamaica or Thai was seeded and def wasn’t processed with care like modern growing is. if cannabis was so much better in flower why does not one besides peoples experiences have zero proof of this, I know that high times pics def don’t show it off .

i bought weed that was 5k-10k ( that’s the price 90’s-2000’s ) per lb back in day and I know for a fact there’s no way besides the weed was pushed and sold quicker that the taste or smell was stronger . Even if it was “stronger” no way I’m paying that price for weed . proper dried and cured and also grown indoors or out os now exp when people non commercially or are can openly acquire amazing genetics and equipment with any worry. this same thing would be if u went to a restaurant every Once and awhile cause it was super expensive or only once and u never coild go back , but even if u had recipe or chef that could cook exact same one everyday . Would the experience be diff and maybe ur memory and rating is a lil dilluate ?

im a pro living soil farmer and put my money and time into good cannabis for example longer in drying process and storage and spent so much into good genetics and I know form same clones I def can tell when people skip steps form growing to cure. But to cement in a comment like we lost the quality forever is just someone pretending the old days were only good and everything now sucks. Hey like music or movies? I’ve smoked 100’s of batches and grown decades and I know for a fact saying previous decades of smuggled and homegrown is better just means w/e u get it from now or ur growing results aren’t as good or ur memory. I know I def wouldn’t want to go back to 10k lb’s and everyone labeking every outdoor batch as fake names and even legit wasn’t honestly well cured or properly grown and even if it was , nothing is worth over 2k a unit and exp when this was 2000’s and before. Sorry if that’s the price I’ll take coke
 
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Nutty sKunK

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I find I can smell/taste all the flavours in weed! I also smoke tobacco. My sense of smell/taste was diminished for like 2 years after Covid. It was so bad I could stand over a fire and sniff the smoke only to get an indication of something up my nose…

Almost back to 100% now which is awesome cause one of my favourite things about weed is the flavour!!

I dare say in a blind smell/taste test I could tell you what’s what if I knew the strain before hand.

Had a workmate round and gave me a little bud. I sniffed it and went is that Stardawg? He laughed and said yea.

I guess I’m one of the lucky ones but I’ve always had a keen sense of smell/taste since I was younger. 33 now
 
Rocket Soul

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We do a lot of blind smelling and tasting of our genetics to evaluate the effect of different spectrum lights in our grow. There are definitely different tastes and smells and by now i can usually "taste" which one of our lights has grown what bud. Its to the point were you taste a pattern; our heavy red spectrums tend to have more "bright" and in your face smells and flavours where more green heavy gets more subtle and complex tastes. For example our rainbow chip cut is really fruity and minty, with a strong chocolate taste if you accompany it with some chockies. This when fmgrown under red heavy. While our more green heavy spectrums gives it something between spice and licorice. The easiest to recognize is our plain white leds, they just taste less in general, like the taste is there but never fully developed. All other trays have some type of UV or deep blue/violets added. Ymmv :)
 
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Rocket Soul said:
We do a lot of blind smelling and tasting of our genetics to evaluate the effect of different spectrum lights in our grow. There are definitely different tastes and smells and by now i can usually "taste" which one of our lights has grown what bud. Its to the point were you taste a pattern; our heavy red spectrums tend to have more "bright" and in your face smells and flavours where more green heavy gets more subtle and complex tastes. For example our rainbow chip cut is really fruity and minty, with a strong chocolate taste if you accompany it with some chockies. This when fmgrown under red heavy. While our more green heavy spectrums gives it something between spice and licorice. The easiest to recognize is our plain white leds, they just taste less in general, like the taste is there but never fully developed. All other trays have some type of UV or deep blue/violets added. Ymmv :)
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That’s pretty interesting! Have you tried CMH lighting to see what kind of flavour that influences?
 
Rocket Soul

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Nutty sKunK said:
That’s pretty interesting! Have you tried CMH lighting to see what kind of flavour that influences?
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Weve run cmh wayback when but that was long before we had all these lights. Led would just outproduce them. In any case it would be bulb specific theres a lot of different spectrum CMH bulbs and i kinda doubt youd have such specific flavours that you could recognise it.
The way led mono leds for supplementals work is that you have all the light in one narrow band so you can really pinpoint one specific wave length.

Were cmh really stood out was plant health and ease of growing: it would always be a breeze while leds may take a bit more work.

Most leds nowadays have a very similar spectrum, and allways somewhat lacking at the far end of red and blue violet. Ive heard a lot of complaints about led buds lacking quality; and i feel some of those complaints can be remedied by just adding this back into the spectrum. We definitely note some smell profiles we havent really seen since our HID days by doing so; "volatiles" may be the best descriptor.
 
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Rocket Soul said:
Weve run cmh wayback when but that was long before we had all these lights. Led would just outproduce them. In any case it would be bulb specific theres a lot of different spectrum CMH bulbs and i kinda doubt youd have such specific flavours that you could recognise it.
The way led mono leds for supplementals work is that you have all the light in one narrow band so you can really pinpoint one specific wave length.

Were cmh really stood out was plant health and ease of growing: it would always be a breeze while leds may take a bit more work.

Most leds nowadays have a very similar spectrum, and allways somewhat lacking at the far end of red and blue violet. Ive heard a lot of complaints about led buds lacking quality; and i feel some of those complaints can be remedied by just adding this back into the spectrum. We definitely note some smell profiles we havent really seen since our HID days by doing so; "volatiles" may be the best descriptor.
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Yea CMH has been much easier than LED for me as my ability to control the environment is limited.

There’s so much influencing our end product it’s crazy.

I have a theory that even the natural yeast present in the air effects how bud cures/matures
 
Rocket Soul

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Nutty sKunK said:
Yea CMH has been much easier than LED for me as my ability to control the environment is limited.

There’s so much influencing our end product it’s crazy.

I have a theory that even the natural yeast present in the air effects how bud cures/matures
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Thats interesting. Where do you have that idea from? And is there a way to test it?

Ive seen people saying putdoor insects does things to the weed. Tbh every single grower online seems to have some idea, clever or hairbrained, about this, its hard to separate the real deal from the bogus.

If you already have cmh why not mix in some led with that? Mixed grows are some of the coolest i see around online. But mixing generally means diy led which is a really deep rabbit hole that i still havent found the bottom of, lol
 
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