Advanced Lighting Spectrums for T5 Floro and LED

Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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FranJan said:
I can show you white lights with little to no peaks in 630, so please stop generalizing that all white LEDs are the same. My spots have almost no red in them because they're just a blue LED with a yellow based phosphor tricking my eyes into seeing white. And why do you keep saying they reach into the Far Red? Can you show me one white LED that has usable radiation in the 710-740 spectrum? I'll start buying them tomorrow.
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Actually, my response to your post was to point out that "not all white LEDs are the same." I NEVER said that they ARE all the same, LOL, I just showed you ONE that did not fit your "all white leds suck in the 630nm" region of spectra idea.

I'm not trying to make you feel bad about your own white LEDs, I just wanted to show you that there is at least one other white LED that doesn't suck. I've purchased shit quality lights in my day and yeah it does suck, but it's not your fault. It's part of the game.

The graph I posted shows this ONE led goes up to 780nm. Seems like there would be enough output in the 730nm region which is the only part of the spectrum past 700nm that is going to make any difference.

I can't post any other graphs, because I don't use any other LEDs, and am not familiar with any that "peak" in 730nm or whatever you are looking for. It seems like this led at least would have sufficient enough 730nm to do the job. That's just my opinion though.

I suggest you try reading the thread before posting. It has been stated in more places than one that there are grow threads utilizing ONLY neutral white LEDs spot lights, Cree I think, and are having tremendous results. It's worth a look anyway. With that being said, I would think it would be safe to say that there are some really nice white LEDs out there that have great potential in flowering as a stand alone light source.
 
FranJan

FranJan

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^^^Pure Bullshit^^^ Actually I should have known you were completely full of shite when I saw your post about all yo' gats tough guy. Dude, the only Chung you ever studied is WANG Chung :finger:

How about we take it one section at a time and watch you flounder and make more shit up?

"Actually, my response to your post was to point out that "not all white LEDs are the same." I NEVER said that they ARE all the same, LOL, I just showed you ONE that did not fit your "all white leds suck in the 630nm" region of spectra idea."

Actually your response was pretty vague and had nothing to do with your "sentiment" about "white LEDs". Here read it, "I dunno bout that, this white led peaks very close to 630nm and reaches into far-red." Oh yeah that was all about "not all white LEDs are the same" You didn't show anyone anything here. You didn't prove anything here. You just made a statement. And we were talking about Neutrals at first, until you changed it to "whites" so try to stay up or at least try to read and respond to my posts properly. Otherwise just ignore me, but from your post I guess you're trying (poorly I may add). And I never accused you of making any statements, but if you do read your posts, you do generalize and make blanket statements about many things, not just LED. "Light is light no matter what you may think" is just one of many, but I can't read most of your narcotic tinged diarrhea again to prove this so I'll concede this point out of laziness and time constraints.

And why is "this" so mysterious. It has no name "this" LED? We'll get back to "this".

And listen you little condescending POS don't misquote me cause I will haunt your ass like the Ghost of Christmas Past. I never said "All white blah blah bullshit". Understand? I said, "Neutral white LEDs are terrible in 630". See? Got it. Don't make shit up and put words in my mouth like some dumb little turd trying to prove a point at the expense of what's around him. You must work in politics. And once again why can't you name this supposed LED you supposedly showed me (us)? And where is this link to "this" LED? Maybe cause it doesn't exist? Or is it that you haven't found it on the Web yet? Or you can't figure out a way to Photoshop some spectral data? I bet you don't even possess such a beast because NEUTRAL WHITE LEDs DON"T FUCKIN PEAK IN THE RED (630), JUST LIKE THE FUCKIN CREE CHART IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD STATES! NONE OF THEM DO. THATS WHY THEY ARE, (wait for it), NEUTRAL FUCKIN' WHITES! GET IT? CAN YOU READ AND COMPREHEND THIS? DO THE WORDS MEAN ANYTHING OR DO YOU JUST SEE WHAT YOU WANT, OH GREAT HOLY WARRIOR OF THE LIGHT? You want peaks in 630-660, get a warm LED. Unless your sporting custom RGB LEDs it ain't happening. But what does a little condescending "cut and paster" like you know about LED growing? And why let any truth stand in your ego's way?

Now when you've learned how to listen and respond properly, and to stop taking your opinion like fact, we'll continue to the next section. This section actually makes you look more sad than clueless, but I don't want to make you feel bad about yourself just yet. TBC.

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Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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Don't worry, I won't take it personally, I know you have major issues and I'm sure someone out there will be poor enough to want to help you through counseling when no one else wants to.

You must be a chick, like you said, what company do you work for? I'm sure it gets frustrating making grow lights that don't work and having no success which is obvious you don't or you wouldn't be so bitter, or angry, or whatever you/it are.

I've posted enough photos that I don't need to prove anything to you. I don't know why I even wasted the 30 seconds that I put in to reading your trollish post, I guess I thought you might have something intelligent to say, but I see now that you are just "hunting" for an answer that you can't find (or are so extremely self-centered that you don't see it) :O \

I can see that you really want to know what LED that graph came from, but you suck at asking nicely so you can shove it up your fat, lame ass.

Have fun tearing this thread to shit. No one cares but you.

BTW, you are super good at making friends, I can see that is why you are here.
 
Fonzarelli

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Dr.J20 said:
I hate chiming in so late on this but if green only comes into play after saturation of the blue and red spectra are complete, then wouldn't the green ratio be determined by what constitutes "saturation" for a given strain? sorry i'm still catching up on all this
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That's what we are trying to figure out, but it seems so. Not sure if it takes saturation of red/blue in order for green wavelengths to be useful though.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Famous RIU led phrase. "where's Rasser when you need him." thats guy really knows led and electricity.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Fonzarelli said:
Is it possible for this cunt to upload viruses on the forum? Not sure if it's even possible, but I just got a virus notification after opening this thread up, watch out for that stupid cunt people, never know what they can be capable of.
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Forum tend to get viruses inadvertantly or people hack the server. Some times google blocks this site due to viruses. Yahoo doesn't. Thats happened to me several times.
 
potroastV2

potroastV2

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I haven't seen a virus since the polio vaccine. :lol:

So what's the deal with you, Franjan? Are you LED experts having trouble correcting the misinformation without using condescending tones? :lol:

Let's keep it civil, gentlemen. :mrgreen:
 
Fonzarelli

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rollitup said:
Are you LED experts having trouble correcting the misinformation without using condescending tones? :lol::mrgreen:
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There are no LED experts in here AFIK. We are just trying to figure out what different spectra do to plants. Whatever the light source, it's all R light. Plants respond to it. We are here to figure out why. Then someone comes in bashing for no reason other than to entertain themselves, what's new? LOL
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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i dont think franjan was bashing. thats not his style, perhaps you should should read some of his old threads or posts franjan is full of info..

so you gut disagreed about some led light emissions. both of you just need to get over that. what the fight about anyways? looks like a misunderstanding to me between neutral whites and warm whites. and then about the peaks but you did make a good point fonz as ive done myself, buying crappy shit happens, you thinks its alll good, then when it gets there bam you got a new paper weight. happened to me with a pump i bought now (its a good pump just not high enough pressure;Sump 1/3 hp) now im looking for a centrifugal pump.
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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FranJan said:
^^^Pure Bullshit^^^ Actually I should have known you were completely full of shite when I saw your post about all yo' gats tough guy. Dude, the only Chung you ever studied is WANG Chung :finger:

How about we take it one section at a time and watch you flounder and make more shit up?

"Actually, my response to your post was to point out that "not all white LEDs are the same." I NEVER said that they ARE all the same, LOL, I just showed you ONE that did not fit your "all white leds suck in the 630nm" region of spectra idea."

Actually your response was pretty vague and had nothing to do with your "sentiment" about "white LEDs". Here read it, "I dunno bout that, this white led peaks very close to 630nm and reaches into far-red." Oh yeah that was all about "not all white LEDs are the same" You didn't show anyone anything here. You didn't prove anything here. You just made a statement. And we were talking about Neutrals at first, until you changed it to "whites" so try to stay up or at least try to read and respond to my posts properly. Otherwise just ignore me, but from your post I guess you're trying (poorly I may add). And I never accused you of making any statements, but if you do read your posts, you do generalize and make blanket statements about many things, not just LED. "Light is light no matter what you may think" is just one of many, but I can't read most of your narcotic tinged diarrhea again to prove this so I'll concede this point out of laziness and time constraints.

And why is "this" so mysterious. It has no name "this" LED? We'll get back to "this".

And listen you little condescending POS don't misquote me cause I will haunt your ass like the Ghost of Christmas Past. I never said "All white blah blah bullshit". Understand? I said, "Neutral white LEDs are terrible in 630". See? Got it. Don't make shit up and put words in my mouth like some dumb little turd trying to prove a point at the expense of what's around him. You must work in politics. And once again why can't you name this supposed LED you supposedly showed me (us)? And where is this link to "this" LED? Maybe cause it doesn't exist? Or is it that you haven't found it on the Web yet? Or you can't figure out a way to Photoshop some spectral data? I bet you don't even possess such a beast because NEUTRAL WHITE LEDs DON"T FUCKIN PEAK IN THE RED (630), JUST LIKE THE FUCKIN CREE CHART IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD STATES! NONE OF THEM DO. THATS WHY THEY ARE, (wait for it), NEUTRAL FUCKIN' WHITES! GET IT? CAN YOU READ AND COMPREHEND THIS? DO THE WORDS MEAN ANYTHING OR DO YOU JUST SEE WHAT YOU WANT, OH GREAT HOLY WARRIOR OF THE LIGHT? You want peaks in 630-660, get a warm LED. Unless your sporting custom RGB LEDs it ain't happening. But what does a little condescending "cut and paster" like you know about LED growing? And why let any truth stand in your ego's way?

Now when you've learned how to listen and respond properly, and to stop taking your opinion like fact, we'll continue to the next section. This section actually makes you look more sad than clueless, but I don't want to make you feel bad about yourself just yet. TBC.

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FONZ AND FRAN SITTIN IN A TREE...

let's all do a bowl and re civilize ourselves
 
Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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And for the record, every time I upload a photo, it gets deleted. I don't know if it's something I'm doing wrong or what. But maybe that's why there is so much confusion happening for the troll.

This is the photo I uploaded before, and now I don't see it anymore in my previoius post. I'm going to use image shack from now on because they are reliable.

I've been having a really hard time uploading photos on to the forum, the "upload from computer" button thing is really fucked up and I don't know why.

It's a NEUTRAL WHITE LED that peaks really close to 630nm. And no, I didn't photo shop it like the troll said. Even if I had the photo shop program, I would have no idea how to make a graph.
 
polyarcturus

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your good fonze. most of what you said was correct, i think franjan took it out of context.. yeah manners are a bitch on the net you saw how we got into over me just being foolish and not reading, shit happens. really i saw all the posts. i saw, why he started an attitude as well as why you did, but it did not even seem you where arguing the same points.. anyways fonze dont let it get to you disagreements around here and plentiful just keep on trucking.
 
Fonzarelli

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This isn't a disagreement. They came in here saying "Neutral whites do not peak around 630nm." All I did was show one that does. Then they got all crazy and started name calling and dissin' by saying shit that is personal and isn't true.

What really bugged me is when they said my "Narcotic induced posts." I can't help the meds I take. I have no choice. I really don't want to be on the shit, but I can't even tie my own shoes if I'm not.

I don't understand where all the agro comes from.
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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Fonzarelli said:
And for the record, every time I upload a photo, it gets deleted. I don't know if it's something I'm doing wrong or what. But maybe that's why there is so much confusion happening for the troll.

This is the photo I uploaded before, and now I don't see it anymore in my previoius post. I'm going to use image shack from now on because they are reliable.

I've been having a really hard time uploading photos on to the forum, the "upload from computer" button thing is really fucked up and I don't know why.

It's a NEUTRAL WHITE LED that peaks really close to 630nm. And no, I didn't photo shop it like the troll said. Even if I had the photo shop program, I would have no idea how to make a graph.
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It moves every time I see that graph. Love to see what it can do over a 2 X 2 area. Thinking 3 rails ~ 22" with 1-2 rows of 3w, at least one rail with a... Hell, there should be no need for supplemental PAR leds, but IR on a separate rail. Hmmmmmmm. See my post #235

 
Fonzarelli

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Poly, are you looking for a high pressure/low flow pump? If so, you should check out the pump I posted on PF's journal awhile back. Pushes 120psi at .1 gallons/minute. I own two of them. It's a really nice pump.
 
Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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PetFlora said:
It moves every time I see that graph.
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Where does it move to?

Why put any additional IR in there at all? 730nm is already included. Wouldn't you think it would be enough? Anything higher than 740nm becomes useless as it goes up, further away.

I could see adding some deeper blue in there for veg maybe.
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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Fonzarelli said:
This isn't a disagreement. They came in here saying "Neutral whites do not peak around 630nm." All I did was show one that does. Then they got all crazy and started name calling and dissin' by saying shit that is personal and isn't true.

What really bugged me is when they said my "Narcotic induced posts." I can't help the meds I take. I have no choice. I really don't want to be on the shit, but I can't even tie my own shoes if I'm not.

I don't understand where all the agro comes from.
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i dont know why he said that, thats none of his biz, not like anybody criticizes him on his weed smoking or whatever he does.

and your right not all white leds, regardless of designation, white, warm, cool, ect. are gonna have the same nm peaks, those are just marketing terms they do not specifically tell you the spectrum so you cant make any call NM wise off that info. and most important all the companys are making thier led different so thee are all types of spectra's of leds out there.
 
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