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about damn time... I got hired!

doc111

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gogrow said:
I would just use the synthetic, but they are ILLEGAL here now... gotta drive to mississippi to get it now. .... bullshit state man.
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They outlawed synthetic urine??????? WTF???????? That is some bullshit!!!!! You're better off using the real shit anyways, as long as it's guaranteed to be clean. I had a buddy that had a fender bender driving a fire engine and he had to go pee in a cup. He smoked a little weed now and then and as luck would have it he had gotten baked a couple of times the weekend before. He had some guy he didn't know very well give him some "clean" piss. Ended up testing positive for coke! lmfao!!!!!!!!!! He ended up in rehab for his "cocaine addiction"! ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dunce:
 
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gogrow said:
I would just use the synthetic, but they are ILLEGAL here now... gotta drive to mississippi to get it now. .... bullshit state man.
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thats pretty shitty. you can buy it online, but if it is illegal in your state, then they may not ship it to you. you can also use the dilution method, just google it. i have used this method once and it worked but i dont trust it 100%. tried to use someone elses once too but never went through, but thats another story.
 
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doc111 said:
They outlawed synthetic urine??????? WTF???????? That is some bullshit!!!!! You're better off using the real shit anyways, as long as it's guaranteed to be clean. I had a buddy that had a fender bender driving a fire engine and he had to go pee in a cup. He smoked a little weed now and then and as luck would have it he had gotten baked a couple of times the weekend before. He had some guy he didn't know very well give him some "clean" piss. Ended up testing positive for coke! lmfao!!!!!!!!!! He ended up in rehab for his "cocaine addiction"! ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:dunce:
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yeah, they snuck that in with the whole "synthetic weed" "ban".... they didnt cover the syn. weed well, its back already, but they sewed up the urine in the same HB, but you cant really find any info on that anywhere..... assholes.
 
doc111

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irieie said:
thats pretty shitty. you can buy it online, but if it is illegal in your state, then they may not ship it to you. you can also use the dilution method, just google it. i have used this method once and it worked but i dont trust it 100%. tried to use someone elses once too but never went through, but thats another story.
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It's really easy to tell if piss is diluted or not. Most labs check the specific gravity of the urine. If it's not in the proper range they will fail you for having a "dilluted sample". That trick used to work pretty good, not so much anymore though.:sad:
 
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doc111 said:
It's really easy to tell if piss is diluted or not. Most labs check the specific gravity of the urine. If it's not in the proper range they will fail you for having a "dilluted sample". That trick used to work pretty good, not so much anymore though.:sad:
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you are obviously not familiar with the method. basically you dilute your system by drinking a lot of water, then take a b vitamin supplement about an hour before you take the test. its is not just adding water to your sample that never worked :dunce:, all that does though is buy you some more time if you are lucky.
 
doc111

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irieie said:
you are obviously not familiar with the method. basically you dilute your system by drinking a lot of water, then take a b vitamin supplement about an hour before you take the test. its is not just adding water to your sample that never worked :dunce:, all that does though is buy you some more time if you are lucky.
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I'm very familiar with the method. I used to work a part time job when I was a firefighter that did on site piss testing. Trust me. If you drink too much water and they happen to do a specific gravity test, which is standard at most labs now, you will get a "dilluted sample" that comes back. I also managed to get my master's degree while I was on the department and after I was injured and retired from the fire department I went to work at a medical lab that actually did the testing. I can run a GC/MS so I would say I have some pretty in depth insight into how piss testing works.;-)
 
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doc111 said:
I'm very familiar with the method. I used to work a part time job when I was a firefighter that did on site piss testing. Trust me. If you drink too much water and they happen to do a specific gravity test, which is standard at most labs now, you will get a "dilluted sample" that comes back. I also managed to get my master's degree while I was on the department and after I was injured and retired from the fire department I went to work at a medical lab that actually did the testing. I can run a GC/MS so I would say I have some pretty in depth insight into how piss testing works.;-)
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so then if you take a vitamin supplement right before you take the test, wouldnt your urine show proper levels? this is how i passed a test about a year ago. they sent the test away to a lab and no dilution was detected, it was negative. how could it have worked then?
 
jhopkins34

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Congrats man, I just got hired last weekend at a restaurant opening up, not the best pay, but its mainly just a cover to pay the bills anyway
 
doc111

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irieie said:
so then if you take a vitamin supplement right before you take the test, wouldnt your urine show proper levels? this is how i passed a test about a year ago. they sent the test away to a lab and no dilution was detected, it was negative. how could it have worked then?
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Not all labs automatically test for specific gravity. Vitamin B supplement only colors your urine yellow so it doesn't appear dilluted. It used to be they only checked specific gravity if they suspected a dilluted sample. It's going to depend heavily on the lab that does the testing. If your piss is clear, they are going to check it. If it appears normal they may not bother. Remember, these labs are in the business of making money. Most follow federal DOT guidelines for their testing but some don't. The way it normally works is they do a dip test on the samples received. If a sample tests positive they have to run it through a GC/MS in order to verify the test isn't a false positive. They could test all samples on a GC/MS but that would be very time consuming and costly.:bigjoint:
 
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doc111 said:
Not all labs automatically test for specific gravity. Vitamin B supplement only colors your urine yellow so it doesn't appear dilluted. It used to be they only checked specific gravity if they suspected a dilluted sample. It's going to depend heavily on the lab that does the testing. If your piss is clear, they are going to check it. If it appears normal they may not bother. Remember, these labs are in the business of making money. Most follow federal DOT guidelines for their testing but some don't. The way it normally works is they do a dip test on the samples received. If a sample tests positive they have to run it through a GC/MS in order to verify the test isn't a false positive. They could test all samples on a GC/MS but that would be very time consuming and costly.:bigjoint:
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good info thanks for the knowledge. the more insight into the system, the easier to game it. for now ill stick with the synthetics. i have heard that they use these to calibrate the test equipment is this true any other insights to the process are much appreciated.
 
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irieie said:
good info thanks for the knowledge. the more insight into the system, the easier to game it. for now ill stick with the synthetics. i have heard that they use these to calibrate the test equipment is this true any other insights to the process are much appreciated.
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do some googling on the subject and you'll find that they have found one component that the synthetics are lacking.... there's very few labs testing for that thusfar, but your time is limited ;)
 
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irieie said:
good info thanks for the knowledge. the more insight into the system, the easier to game it. for now ill stick with the synthetics. i have heard that they use these to calibrate the test equipment is this true any other insights to the process are much appreciated.
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That is absolutely true! There is supposedly a test for synthetic urine now (I have not verified this) but I've heard not many labs are testing for it yet. It's probably time consuming and I honestly don't know what they are looking for but if you take urine and look at it under a microscope there should be a few cells that slough off when you pee. That could be what they are looking for but I doubt it. Can you imagine looking at thousands of samples a day under a microscope? It would take months to get results back! lol!bongsmilie
 
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doc111 said:
Can you imagine looking at thousands of samples a day under a microscope? It would take months to get results back! lol!bongsmilie
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and by that time you already have the job.:-P if they look for your cells could you just rub the inside of your cheek and mix into the synthetic with a toothpick? or would your saliva show metabolites? sorry i have had a few good bongsmilie and my mind is just going.
 
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irieie said:
and by that time you already have the job.:-P if they look for your cells could you just rub the inside of your cheek and mix into the synthetic with a toothpick? or would your saliva show metabolites? sorry i have had a few good bongsmilie and my mind is just going.
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I doubt they are looking for epithelials but that would probably work if they were. I might be concerned about metabolites in the saliva though. It's been a few years and when I worked at the lab there was no test that we used to detect synthetic urine. I need to do some research to find out exactly what they are looking for. It's a game that the labs are constantly playing with the companies trying to sell products to beat the tests. As soon as the labs find some way to detect something, the companies quickly find a way around that test. Drug testing is big business in this country so it's not likely to go away any time soon. The nice thing is that beating drug tests is becoming big business. Fuck the pee police!:finger:
 
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