Abortion is now illegal in the United States

canndo

canndo

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A personhood bill has passed both houses and been signed by President Romney.


Now what?

What happens? How does it work? Are doctors put in jail? Mothers? Are abortion methods that prevent fertilized ovum from attaching to the uterus now illegal? Some one give us a scenario and then I will.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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But there is no President Romney. Scared me for a second there. cn

<edit> Ok, to play along ... would signing such a bill automatically protect the law from appellate review? That's the course I foresee ... challenge and overturn by an appellate court. cn
 
canndo

canndo

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Just a game Cann, a fun little game that might show the impracticality of such a law. Let's see if the anti's can put their imaginations where their morals are. I have yet to see any anti- extrapolate the consequences of their opinions, I'd like to see it here.

So in this thread, a fertilized egg is a person with all the rights and liberties of any other citizen.
 
desert dude

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canndo said:
A personhood bill has passed both houses and been signed by President Romney.


Now what?

What happens? How does it work? Are doctors put in jail? Mothers? Are abortion methods that prevent fertilized ovum from attaching to the uterus now illegal? Some one give us a scenario and then I will.
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Oh my God, the sky is falling!

Here is the scenario: The new law is immediately challenged and heads to the Supreme court where it is struck down as unconstitutional, the old Roe V Wade thingy.
 
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Lululady

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In the old days, yeah, doctors were put in jail, or whoever was performing them, frequently they were not doctors. Women could be but I don't remember that happening too often. More often women became ill or died giving themselves/getting illegal abortions. If they pass a "personhood" bill defining life as starting at conception, IUD's and birth control pills would be illegal as both interfere with the implantation of fertilized eggs (i.e. killing the newly created persons). I hope everyone likes condoms, or rhythm (why my parents had six children), until permanent sterilization is an option.
 
canndo

canndo

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cannabineer said:
But there is no President Romney. Scared me for a second there. cn

<edit> Ok, to play along ... would signing such a bill automatically protect the law from appellate review? That's the course I foresee ... challenge and overturn by an appellate court. cn
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Romney has replaced ginsburg with a right to life juror and the law passes muster 5-4.

Now what?
 
canndo

canndo

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Lululady said:
In the old days, yeah, doctors were put in jail, or whoever was performing them, frequently they were not doctors. Women could be but I don't remember that happening too often. More often women became ill or died giving themselves/getting illegal abortions. If they pass a "personhood" bill defining life as starting at conception, IUD's and birth control pills would be illegal as both interfere with the implantation of fertilized eggs (i.e. killing the newly created persons). I hope everyone likes condoms, or rhythm (why my parents had six children), until permanent sterilization is an option.
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Now remeber, that contrary to the title, it isn't just abortiortion that is illegal, it is that each fertilized egg is a person. Now doctors aren't just performing illegal abortions but they are commiting murder and mothers are complicit in that murder.

There will have to be a pregnancy registry where each woman will have to report to the state the fact that she has missed her period. What other means will we have to determine if the fertilized egg exists in order to protect it?
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
Oh my God, the sky is falling!

Here is the scenario: The new law is immediately challenged and heads to the Supreme court where it is struck down as unconstitutional, the old Roe V Wade thingy.
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Many of the current justices have indicated that they would not strike down such a law.
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
Really? Name them?

The only one I recall is John Roberts, who said, "Roe V Wade is settled law..."
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Roberts said that during his confirmation hearing, and we know how much weight that holds. Alito, Scalia and Thomas have made indications - of course they won't prejudge a case. At any rate, this isn't the pretext of the game Desert dude. Presume that it is settled law.
 
Dr Kynes

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canndo said:
Just a game Cann, a fun little game that might show the impracticality of such a law. Let's see if the anti's can put their imaginations where their morals are. I have yet to see any anti- extrapolate the consequences of their opinions, I'd like to see it here.

So in this thread, a fertilized egg is a person with all the rights and liberties of any other citizen.
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well does the embryo have a valid california MMJ card? if not he could be in criminal violation of sb 420, and thus be subject to arrest when his 9 month standoff with police and obstetricians finally ends.

i bet the little fucker comes out crying too.

he already looks like a pussy.
 
desert dude

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canndo said:
Roberts said that during his confirmation hearing, and we know how much weight that holds. Alito, Scalia and Thomas have made indications - of course they won't prejudge a case. At any rate, this isn't the pretext of the game Desert dude. Presume that it is settled law.
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OK. Don't have a lot of time right now though.

Contraception is still legal, even though left-wing female law students have to pay for it with their own money.

Abortion becomes a matter of state law, which is where it ought to be constitutionally anyway. About half the states in the union pass anti-abortion laws. Abortion clinics in A-legal states do a booming business. Some of the kookier pro-lifers murder some of the more prominent abortionists in the A-legal states. Abortion remains a divisive topic.
 
Rob Roy

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canndo said:
Just a game Cann, a fun little game that might show the impracticality of such a law. Let's see if the anti's can put their imaginations where their morals are. I have yet to see any anti- extrapolate the consequences of their opinions, I'd like to see it here.

So in this thread, a fertilized egg is a person with all the rights and liberties of any other citizen.
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Do you see any difference between a fertilized egg and a "baby" in the womb at say 8 months? 6 months etc. ? I'm just curious what others points of view are. I have some personal issues with abortion and haven't quite resolved what is the appropriate "belief" or intervention if any.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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desert dude said:
OK. Don't have a lot of time right now though.

Contraception is still legal, even though left-wing female law students have to pay for it with their own money.

Abortion becomes a matter of state law, which is where it ought to be constitutionally anyway. About half the states in the union pass anti-abortion laws. Abortion clinics in A-legal states do a booming business. Some of the kookier pro-lifers murder some of the more prominent abortionists in the A-legal states. Abortion remains a divisive topic.
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This raises a thorny question, since some contraceptives are perceived, rightly or wrongly, as implantation blockers. Under the new law, would they remain available? cn

<edit> Wouldn't a Federal personhood (anti-abortion; let's be honest) amendment block any State from allowing abortion?
 
desert dude

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Oh, one more point...

Twenty five or so years down the road, after abortion becomes illegal, the crime rate spikes.
 
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