A civil debate?

abandonconflict

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People are using technology in very innovative ways. Your thesis wasn't even original. Old shits have been complaining about progress probably since the before bow and arrow replaced the atlatl. You might as well complain about how the telephone is diminishing people's ability to write letters.

If you don't think people need to think any more to survive, consider this. The majority of adults living on the street are either drug addicts or mentally deficient or both. In either case, they aren't using their head very well, aren't coping with society and will die early.

Disagreeing with a dumb premise and calling it dumb is not a personal attack. But your whinging about a people pointing out that you continue to repeat a dumb premise makes you a dumbshit.
New definition of insanity can be derived from the following quote:

"I'm right, everyone else is wrong and they just attack me for being original."

In my experience, someone who is going crazy actually thinks they're coming to their senses about reality. Someone who thinks they are going crazy epitomizes sanity.
 

Fogdog

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New definition of insanity can be derived from the following quote:

"I'm right, everyone else is wrong and they just attack me for being original."

In my experience, someone who is going crazy actually thinks they're coming to their senses about reality. Someone who thinks they are going crazy epitomizes sanity.

"I'm right, everyone else is wrong and they just attack me for being original."

Crazy talk.

It's also a cynical excuse to not use tech.
 

choomer

Well-Known Member
<cont.>
Also to say that the hard sciences such as physics, chemistry don't rely on theory is false. They use theories and test them with the scientific method.
You do know the difference between theory and fact don't you?

Definition of theory


1 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena

2 a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action
b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory

3 a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
b : an unproved assumption : conjecture

Notice a theme?

A theory that is empirically proven and replicated is known as a fact or principle (sometimes even a law) as science recognizes it.
A theory has yet to be proven or it wouldn't be referred to as a theory.

Chemistry, electricity (not all physics as that encompasses disciplines like Quantum, etc. that have yet to be proven), and mathematics do not rely on theory, at least as far as an internal combustion engine is concerned, and are proven by billions all over the world every day.

That's some pretty hefty pseudoscience. ;)
Same goes with soft sciences such as psychology and sociology. These are all natural science based upon theories that are tested using the scientific method and they all use mathematics. Mathematics is not a natural science, it is an empirical-based logic and even mathematics relies on axioms which are not proven but obviously true.
Your understanding of natural science is severely flawed.

"In Western society's analytic tradition, the empirical sciences and especially natural sciences use tools from formal sciences, such as mathematics and logic, converting information about nature into measurements which can be explained as clear statements of the "laws of nature". The social sciences also use such methods, but rely more on qualitative research, so that they are sometimes called "soft science", whereas natural sciences, insofar as they emphasize quantifiable data produced, tested, and confirmed through the scientific method, are sometimes called "hard science".
Regarding science-based conclusion that liberals are smarter than conservatives, I submit a scientific study that confirms what is obvious to anybody capable of observing differences between a Trump rally and recent rallies in support of the ACA.
http://www.asanet.org/research-and-publications/journals/social-psychology-quarterly/why-liberals-and-atheists-are-more-intelligent
A definition of liberalism from the article:
liberalism (as opposed to conservatism) as the genuine concern for the welfare of genetically unrelated others and the willingness to contribute larger proportions of private resources for the welfare of such others.
Observe and feel embarrassed, @choomer :
Now that was smart!
Making sure a reply to my post would be seen by tagging my name in it. ;)

But you're going to cite the American Sociological Association as an unimpeachable source?

<see below>
The article tests other hypotheses, such as Atheists are smarter (true), monogamous people are smarter (true). A conclusion from this and other studies is that "more intelligent individuals may be more likely to acquire and espouse evolutionarily novel values, such as liberalism, atheism, and, for men, sexual exclusivity, than less intelligent individuals"
I'll advance one other observation, which is people with liberal voting tendencies outnumber those with conservative voting tendencies. Perhaps people with higher intelligence and liberal attitudes are more biologically successful. Intelligent people understand this whereas troglodyte conservatives simply can't get past their base emotions of gluttony and selfishness while they wither and die.
Still relying on published peer reviewed papers?

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/
Publish-or-perish: Peer review and the corruption of science
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/sep/05/publish-perish-peer-review-science

Peer-reviewed climate papers by climate skeptics
https://www.skepticalscience.com/peerreviewedskeptics.php

97% Study Falsely Classifies Scientists' Papers, according to the scientists that published them
http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html

Peer review does not mean we can trust a published paper
https://svpow.com/2013/05/03/peer-review-does-not-mean-we-can-trust-a-published-paper/
(a blog post with good links including the 1st above.)

"Proven fact" of the age of civilized man has been universally accepted and taught for decades, yet a paper (backed up by trivial things like carbon dating of physical evidence) published after 10 years of researching the site at Gobekii Tepe (a city predating Stonehenge by 6000 years) pretty much destroyed that sociological teaching.

Now whip out the tl;dr stamp and teach squeaky how to not be able to read english as you are proven to claim. ;)
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
<cont.>

You do know the difference between theory and fact don't you?

Definition of theory


1 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena

2 a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action
b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory

3 a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
b : an unproved assumption : conjecture

Notice a theme?

A theory that is empirically proven and replicated is known as a fact or principle (sometimes even a law) as science recognizes it.
A theory has yet to be proven or it wouldn't be referred to as a theory.

Chemistry, electricity (not all physics as that encompasses disciplines like Quantum, etc. that have yet to be proven), and mathematics do not rely on theory, at least as far as an internal combustion engine is concerned, and are proven by billions all over the world every day.

That's some pretty hefty pseudoscience. ;)

Your understanding of natural science is severely flawed.

"In Western society's analytic tradition, the empirical sciences and especially natural sciences use tools from formal sciences, such as mathematics and logic, converting information about nature into measurements which can be explained as clear statements of the "laws of nature". The social sciences also use such methods, but rely more on qualitative research, so that they are sometimes called "soft science", whereas natural sciences, insofar as they emphasize quantifiable data produced, tested, and confirmed through the scientific method, are sometimes called "hard science".

Now that was smart!
Making sure a reply to my post would be seen by tagging my name in it. ;)

But you're going to cite the American Sociological Association as an unimpeachable source?

<see below>


Still relying on published peer reviewed papers?

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/
Publish-or-perish: Peer review and the corruption of science
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/sep/05/publish-perish-peer-review-science

Peer-reviewed climate papers by climate skeptics
https://www.skepticalscience.com/peerreviewedskeptics.php

97% Study Falsely Classifies Scientists' Papers, according to the scientists that published them
http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html

Peer review does not mean we can trust a published paper
https://svpow.com/2013/05/03/peer-review-does-not-mean-we-can-trust-a-published-paper/
(a blog post with good links including the 1st above.)

"Proven fact" of the age of civilized man has been universally accepted and taught for decades, yet a paper (backed up by trivial things like carbon dating of physical evidence) published after 10 years of researching the site at Gobekii Tepe (a city predating Stonehenge by 6000 years) pretty much destroyed that sociological teaching.

Now whip out the tl;dr stamp and teach squeaky how to not be able to read english as you are proven to claim. ;)
LOL

Of course you can't be convinced of anything that is outside your pseudo-science beliefs. At least you are consistent. Until you aren't. That is the problem with people who don't accept facts and try to understand the whys and wherefores of the world based upon them.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
I’d reply if I thought you could understand the language but….. ;)











....etc.etc.

But it seems you've conquered that handicap and want to show off your new found ability so far be it from me to keep you from exercising this discipline. ;)



I practice pseudoscience only so much as these published peer reviewed papers:


The difference between those that wrote these papers and myself is that I didn't have to go to college for years and indebt myself for 1/2 my life to realize these "discoveries".
what language is that? You should take an English as a second language course. It might help you land a job with benefits.
 

a senile fungus

Well-Known Member
Maybe this will help.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory

Two related, yet distinct, meanings of theory
There are many shades of meaning to the word theory. Most of these are used without difficulty, and we understand, based on the context in which they are found, what the intended meaning is. For instance, when we speak of music theory we understand it to be in reference to the underlying principles of the composition of music, and not in reference to some speculation about those principles.

However, there are two senses of theory which are sometimes troublesome. These are the senses which are defined as “a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena” and “an unproven assumption; conjecture.” The second of these is occasionally misapplied in cases where the former is meant, as when a particular scientific theory is derided as "just a theory," implying that it is no more than speculation or conjecture. One may certainly disagree with scientists regarding their theories, but it is an inaccurate interpretation of language to regard their use of the word as implying a tentative hypothesis; the scientific use of theory is quite different than the speculative use of the word.
 

dagwood45431

Well-Known Member
<cont.>

You do know the difference between theory and fact don't you?

Definition of theory


1 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena

2 a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action
b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory

3 a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
b : an unproved assumption : conjecture

Notice a theme?

A theory that is empirically proven and replicated is known as a fact or principle (sometimes even a law) as science recognizes it.
A theory has yet to be proven or it wouldn't be referred to as a theory.

Chemistry, electricity (not all physics as that encompasses disciplines like Quantum, etc. that have yet to be proven), and mathematics do not rely on theory, at least as far as an internal combustion engine is concerned, and are proven by billions all over the world every day.

That's some pretty hefty pseudoscience. ;)

Your understanding of natural science is severely flawed.

"In Western society's analytic tradition, the empirical sciences and especially natural sciences use tools from formal sciences, such as mathematics and logic, converting information about nature into measurements which can be explained as clear statements of the "laws of nature". The social sciences also use such methods, but rely more on qualitative research, so that they are sometimes called "soft science", whereas natural sciences, insofar as they emphasize quantifiable data produced, tested, and confirmed through the scientific method, are sometimes called "hard science".

Now that was smart!
Making sure a reply to my post would be seen by tagging my name in it. ;)

But you're going to cite the American Sociological Association as an unimpeachable source?

<see below>


Still relying on published peer reviewed papers?

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/
Publish-or-perish: Peer review and the corruption of science
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/sep/05/publish-perish-peer-review-science

Peer-reviewed climate papers by climate skeptics
https://www.skepticalscience.com/peerreviewedskeptics.php

97% Study Falsely Classifies Scientists' Papers, according to the scientists that published them
http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html

Peer review does not mean we can trust a published paper
https://svpow.com/2013/05/03/peer-review-does-not-mean-we-can-trust-a-published-paper/
(a blog post with good links including the 1st above.)

"Proven fact" of the age of civilized man has been universally accepted and taught for decades, yet a paper (backed up by trivial things like carbon dating of physical evidence) published after 10 years of researching the site at Gobekii Tepe (a city predating Stonehenge by 6000 years) pretty much destroyed that sociological teaching.

Now whip out the tl;dr stamp and teach squeaky how to not be able to read english as you are proven to claim. ;)
Fuck, man. Too long (for a non-peer reviewed paper). Get that thing peer reviewed and maybe I'll read it. Who gives enough fucks to read a tome from a proven idiot named Choomer? See how that works? You don't have the cred to be taken seriously.
 

Sour Wreck

Well-Known Member
"Yeah, but you voted for Trump.", will be my argument-ender whenever possible.
i'm an asshole like that when you do me wrong. and tumpanzees did the majority of us wrong.

don't get me started on fake evangelicals. i had to divorce my family, for real. i'm an asshole like that...
 
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dagwood45431

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i'm an asshole like that when you do me wrong. and tumpanzees did the majority of us wrong.

don't get me started on fake evangelicals. i had to divorce me family, for real. i'm an asshole like that...
Actually, it seems to me you've been highly motivated to NOT be an asshole and I applaud you!
 

Sour Wreck

Well-Known Member
Actually, it seems to me you've been highly motivated to NOT be an asshole and I applaud you!
to be honest, its hurtful. my parents raised me to be honest. if i made mistakes i owned up and learned from them. they saw to it.

now they tell me they don't want to talk about politics or religion. i told them i didn't care to talk about family then. i told them that was not the way they raised me.

we still aren't speaking, sad. thanks trump... thanks white southern baptists evangelical lunatics. you all need fucking LOVE in your life. read your bibles morons...
 

schuylaar

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to be honest, its hurtful. my parents raised me to be honest. if i made mistakes i owned up and learned from them. they saw to it.

now they tell me they don't want to talk about politics or religion. i told them i didn't care to talk about family then. i told them that was not the way they raised me.

we still aren't speaking, sad. thanks trump... thanks white southern baptists evangelical lunatics. you all need fucking LOVE in your life. read your bibles morons...
this is part of the plan..to divide everyone.
 

dagwood45431

Well-Known Member
to be honest, its hurtful. my parents raised me to be honest. if i made mistakes i owned up and learned from them. they saw to it.

now they tell me they don't want to talk about politics or religion. i told them i didn't care to talk about family then. i told them that was not the way they raised me.

we still aren't speaking, sad. thanks trump... thanks white southern baptists evangelical lunatics. you all need fucking LOVE in your life. read your bibles morons...
I rarely speak to my dad for similar reasons. I avoid politics on the rare occasions we see each other but the tension hangs thick in the air. At least I was spared the christian fundamentalist upbringing. I can only imagine how much worse it would be.
 

Sour Wreck

Well-Known Member
I rarely speak to my dad for similar reasons. I avoid politics on the rare occasions we see each other but the tension hangs thick in the air. At least I was spared the christian fundamentalist upbringing. I can only imagine how much worse it would be.
its their completely hypocritical behavior when it comes to politics. read the open letter the white evangelical thread.

couldn't have said it better myself.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/an-open-letter-to-white-evangelical-christians-outlining-why-everyone-is-done-with-you.957683/
 
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