A Challenge ...

email468 · Jun 10, 2008

medicineman said:
Well, I've already expressed my ideas on this, but it is something like this, Socialistic capitalism. encourage the employees to participate in the profits, This could be with a one time gift of X amount af shares once an employee has proved his/her worth and a profit sharing plan. Geeze in most big corporations, they could take 80% of the CEOs wages and bonuses and give every employee a pretty nice christmas bonus, I am not saying the management and owners shouldn't get a larger share, just not most of it. Workers deserve a living wage and a chance for retirement if they give honorable service to the corporation for a determined time. Corporations that do not make a profit, should be dismanteled (Ford GM Chrysler come to mind), they have seen the fuel crises coming for years snd should have had an affordable hydrogen hybrid or water car on the road for years. Small businesses could have a good employee employer relationship with profit sharing, If there is no profit then the business should shut down. I also believe a lot of small businesses would fare much better with a full on socialized medical plan, one payed for with taxes and ran by the federal government. I do not believe in war unless attacked, so my foriegn policy would preclude funding foriegn interests. With the military might we now posses, we could wipe out the world population 100 times over. It's time to get rid of 90% of the military budget and take care of our own population. I believe this could actually be the best country in the world, not the most feared and hated. Obama talks the talk, I guess we'll see if he walks the walk. I would also eliminate entirely all lobbying and make it a felony to interact with congress or any government emplayees for financial gain, and a felony to accept any money (perks) outside of your own and your governmental pay. This is not communism it is socialistic capitalism without the corruption. I realize this is the impossible dream, but it is my simple solution to a complex problem. You asked. Countries, I really don't know, maybe Sweden, France, Holland, even Germany is like a socialist republic I believe. I certainly don't want any dictators like Stalin, Bush, or a myriad of others who's names fail to come to mind

Thanks for the reply!

Johnnyorganic · Jun 10, 2008

medicineman said:
That's like reading a treatise on how to eliminate the lower classes. Might as well start building the gas chambers and the ovens.

Defend that statement. How exactly will we go about committing the heinous acts you suggest? Such dangerous rhetoric cannot go unanswered. Put up or shut up.

hom36rown · Jun 10, 2008

so if we had a libertarian government, all the parks would be sold off and made into factories, highrises, whatever...no more parks at all? What about our air quality, if there no regulations on companies they can just pollute all they want? What about the FDA, you think pharmaceutical companies should just be able to put on the market whatever they want without it being tested for safety? What about the gov't making companies place the nutrition facts on their food labels, is that so wrong?

Johnnyorganic · Jun 10, 2008

medicineman said:
Well, I've already expressed my ideas on this, but it is something like this, Socialistic capitalism. encourage the employees to participate in the profits, This could be with a one time gift of X amount af shares once an employee has proved his/her worth and a profit sharing plan. Geeze in most big corporations, they could take 80% of the CEOs wages and bonuses and give every employee a pretty nice christmas bonus, I am not saying the management and owners shouldn't get a larger share, just not most of it. Workers deserve a living wage and a chance for retirement if they give honorable service to the corporation for a determined time. Corporations that do not make a profit, should be dismanteled (Ford GM Chrysler come to mind), they have seen the fuel crises coming for years snd should have had an affordable hydrogen hybrid or water car on the road for years. Small businesses could have a good employee employer relationship with profit sharing, If there is no profit then the business should shut down.

Such punitiave restrictions on free enterprise, as you describe, is fascism.

medicineman said:
I also believe a lot of small businesses would fare much better with a full on socialized medical plan, one payed for with taxes and ran by the federal government.

Full on Solicalism.

medicineman said:
I do not believe in war unless attacked, so my foriegn policy would preclude funding foriegn interests. With the military might we now posses, we could wipe out the world population 100 times over.

No preventive defensive footing? No pre-emption even if we face eminent attack?

medicineman said:
It's time to get rid of 90% of the military budget and take care of our own population.

Does your definition of 'our own population' include criminals called illegal aliens who have invaded this country?

medicineman said:
I believe this could actually be the best country in the world, not the most feared and hated. Obama talks the talk, I guess we'll see if he walks the walk.

The Democrat's biggest hurdle will be to dispell the deeply-held belief, correct or not, that Barak Hussein Obama is a Manchurian candidate.

medicineman said:
I would also eliminate entirely all lobbying and make it a felony to interact with congress or any government emplayees for financial gain, and a felony to accept any money (perks) outside of your own and your governmental pay.

Suppression of free speech is an authoritarian technique.

medicineman said:
This is not communism it is socialistic capitalism without the corruption. I realize this is the impossible dream, but it is my simple solution to a complex problem.

It is fascism using Marxist philosophy under the guise of socialism.

medicineman said:
You asked. Countries, I really don't know, maybe Sweden, France, Holland, even Germany is like a socialist republic I believe.

It's easy to provide generous social programs when National Security is guaranteed by The United States through NATO.

medicineman said:
I certainly don't want any dictators like Stalin, Bush, or a myriad of others who's names fail to come to mind

What would you call your dictator?

Johnnyorganic · Jun 10, 2008

hom36rown said:
so if we had a libertarian government, all the parks would be sold off and made into factories, highrises, whatever...no more parks at all? What about our air quality, if there no regulations on companies they can just pollute all they want. What about the FDA, you think pharmaceutical companies should just be able to put on the market whatever they want without it being tested for safety? What about the gov't making companies place the nutrition facts on their food labels, is that so wrong?

You should do a little independent research before you make such dire (and incorrect) assertions.

hom36rown · Jun 10, 2008

Whatever asshole, thanks for your answers! (notice they are questions not assertions)

hom36rown · Jun 10, 2008

Johnnyorganic said:
Defend that statement. How exactly will we go about committing the heinous acts you suggest? Such dangerous rhetoric cannot go unanswered. Put up or shut up.

well its pretty obvious, maybe you should do a little independent research instead of having med explain everything to you pffft

Johnnyorganic · Jun 10, 2008

hom36rown said:
Whatever asshole, thanks for your answers! (notice they are questions not assertions)

An assertion can be an question just by adding a question mark. Example: Taking your cues from the play book of Medicineman?

'Asshole' is the best you can come up with? (Another assertion in the form of a question.)

Johnnyorganic · Jun 10, 2008

hom36rown said:
well its pretty obvious, maybe you should do a little independent research instead of having med explain everything to you pffft

The burden of proof is not the duty of the accused. He made the claim, he should defend it or keep quiet if he is to be taken seriously.

You are backing the wrong horse, Pee Wee. You should reconsider before you embarrass yourself further.

hom36rown · Jun 10, 2008

You are an idiot man, I was just asking a couple questions, I wasnt trying to make any assertions even though you are right if you take off the question marks they are statements wow! except only one thing....theres question marks there so I think that makes them....QUESTIONS....I wasnt trying to assert anything, simply wanted to know a few things...yes I read your stupid parties whole fuckin platform and it didnt answer any of these questions....Your ideology sounds good, but I wonder how it would work out in practice....other countries have had lassez faire capitalism before, and from what I can tell tehy all failed miserably...

hom36rown · Jun 10, 2008

Johnnyorganic said:
The burden of proof is not the duty of the accused. He made the claim, he should defend it or keep quiet if he is to be taken seriously.

You are backing the wrong horse, Pee Wee. You should reconsider before you embarrass yourself further.

what are we in fuckin court? there is no burden of proof here jackass, this is an internet forum, if you dont want to answer my questions dont, but dont be a dick about it

Johnnyorganic · Jun 10, 2008

hom36rown said:
You are an idiot man, I was just asking a couple questions, I wasnt trying to make any assertions even though you are right if you take off the question marks they are statements wow! except only one thing....theres question marks there so I think that makes them....QUESTIONS....I wasnt trying to assert anything, simply wanted to know a few things...yes I read your stupid parties whole fuckin platform and it didnt answer any of these questions....Your ideology sounds good, but I wonder how it would work out in practice....other countries have had lassez faire capitalism before, and from what I can tell tehy all failed miserably...

If I am such an 'idiot' why are you wasting your time engaging me in debate?

Your questions were all premised on information that is incorrect. You obviously did not read the Libertarian Platform if you assume such bad things will happen.

Johnnyorganic · Jun 10, 2008

hom36rown said:
what are we in fuckin court? there is no burden of proof here jackass, this is an internet forum, if you dont want to answer my questions dont, but dont be a dick about it

Basic rules of persuasion apply whether in court or not. Make an assertion in whatever form and be prepared to defend it with evidence. The concept of the burden of proof is legitimate anywhere. Otherwise one is just making noise.

We TaRdED · Jun 11, 2008

Johnnyorganic said:
Make an assertion in whatever form and be prepared to defend it with evidence.

I think homegrown was honestly looking for answers. Homegrown can be cocky and use words like "ass hole" and "dumbass" a lot, so I can assure you its nothing personal. I think he was simply looking for answers to his sincere questions(just my humble opinion)... Idk, thats my Dr. Phil for the night :mrgreen:

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

medicineman · Jun 11, 2008

We TaRdED said:
I think homegrown was honestly looking for answers. Homegrown can be cocky and use words like "ass hole" and "dumbass" a lot, so I can assure you its nothing personal. I think he was simply looking for answers to his sincere questions(just my humble opinion)... Idk, thats my Dr. Phil for the night

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

The peacemaker. I have Johnny wad on my ignore list, so I'll not be debating with him. He can suck a big one, or a small one, I really don't care.

ViRedd · Jun 11, 2008

medicineman said:
The peacemaker. I have Johnny wad on my ignore list, so I'll not be debating with him. He can suck a big one, or a small one, I really don't care.

Translation: "Johnny defeats me in the debate game on such a regular basis that I just cannot bear to see his replies anymore. Johnny continually shows me up for what I am ... and I can assure myself through self delusion that no matter what anyone says ... I AM NOT A FASCIST!" :blsmoke:

Vi

We TaRdED · Jun 11, 2008

ViRedd said:
Translation: "Johnny defeats me in the debate game on such a regular basis that I just cannot bear to see his replies anymore. Johnny continually shows me up for what I am ... and I can assure myself through self delusion that no matter what anyone says ... I AM NOT A FASCIST!"

Vi

*Smacks Vi on the wrist with a ruler :mrgreen:

*

MM, just ignore him. Try it, see how it goes! Be the bigger man.

You guys!!! :-?

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

Johnnyorganic · Jun 11, 2008

medicineman said:
The peacemaker. I have Johnny wad on my ignore list, so I'll not be debating with him. He can suck a big one, or a small one, I really don't care.

Med-think Translation:

My normal tactics don't work on this asshole. My abuse bounces off him like wiffle balls. Then he has the unmitigated gall to return my fire! Unfair! I will steer clear of him and pretend I'm taking the high road.

WOO HOO! Face it, Meddie. YOU are the skunk at the garden party.

Seamaiden · Jun 11, 2008

I call this one "No Words Can Describe..." (have to include the ellipsis)

ViRedd · Jun 11, 2008

We TaRdED said:
*Smacks Vi on the wrist with a ruler*

MM, just ignore him. Try it, see how it goes! Be the bigger man.

You guys!!! quote]

No Way Jose' ... Why ruin the fun?

Besides, Med's ideas are dangerous to liberty. He's a totalitarian thug and needs to be called out.
Vi

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