600W Dwc Discrete Cabinet Scrog - 2nd Run

idea - clones in small party cups like that should be placed inside of a small fast food style drink container. Cut a slit in the lid then slip around the stem to help keep critters out of the coco.

this inspired by finding a couple of what looks like young whiteflies trying to get all up in the veg cabinet business. found around 8 so far in a couple of the new clones. cleaning and soap tomorrow. checked for an hour and a half but couldn't find any more so hopefully the treatment will be more proactive and paranoid than anything. we'll see tomorrow.

Oh dude, I just thought of a brilliant idea for crawlers, this is what you should get 1000% Diatomaceous Earth! It's an organic dust that does not harm your plants at all! It is easy on the skin too, but it is like razors to any crawling insects that will ever lay foot on the surface of your medium. As soon as it cuts them, they bleed out and dehydrate to death super quick, it's fucking brutal, and serves them right for fucking with your garden. I fucking layered that shit on the medium of the Blue Dream, and bugs can look, but they can't touch.

It's like, 10 bucks for a big bag. Bug spray is also bueno, but safer soap is tough on little clones, Try and do it a few hours before the lights turn on, or right after the lights turn off.

Jozikins said:

Oh dude, I just thought of a brilliant idea for crawlers, this is what you should get 1000% Diatomaceous Earth! It's an organic dust that does not harm your plants at all! It is easy on the skin too, but it is like razors to any crawling insects that will ever lay foot on the surface of your medium. As soon as it cuts them, they bleed out and dehydrate to death super quick, it's fucking brutal, and serves them right for fucking with your garden. I fucking layered that shit on the medium of the Blue Dream, and bugs can look, but they can't touch.

It's like, 10 bucks for a big bag. Bug spray is also bueno, but safer soap is tough on little clones, Try and do it a few hours before the lights turn on, or right after the lights turn off.

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Hey - good point on the DE.

I've used that with fleas on my cats and it's worked well. Never thought to use it in my grow room. Right on.

that would work great. maybe a small layer of plastic baggie or something over the top of net pots, etc, then the DE, then a lid. That would definitely keep the creepies from coming in through the top, and if they can get in from the bottom I'll give them a merit badge, then I exterminate them.

The ones I saw last night were all on leaf and stem, and on the upper portions at that. I dug around the coco on a few of them like a horticultural gynecologist. everything looks fine, no signs of trouble whatsoever down there.

Lights not on yet so haven't had a chance to check again. Probably won't until very late tonight so hopefully I did a decent job of physically squashing the forward recon force.

Sensibowl said:

Hey - good point on the DE.

I've used that with fleas on my cats and it's worked well. Never thought to use it in my grow room. Right on.

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Haha, I have never thought of using it on an animal before. Funny how that works, huh? I will pass that tip on to my buddy, his pets get mad fleas, I'm afraid to go over to his house.

phenob said:

that would work great. maybe a small layer of plastic baggie or something over the top of net pots, etc, then the DE, then a lid. That would definitely keep the creepies from coming in through the top, and if they can get in from the bottom I'll give them a merit badge, then I exterminate them.

The ones I saw last night were all on leaf and stem, and on the upper portions at that. I dug around the coco on a few of them like a horticultural gynecologist. everything looks fine, no signs of trouble whatsoever down there.

Lights not on yet so haven't had a chance to check again. Probably won't until very late tonight so hopefully I did a decent job of physically squashing the forward recon force.

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Between the DE and a spray down, those fuckers will have no chance. I seriously think SAFER soap is to strong for little clones though, that scares me. But guess what dude? They make plant covers for rockwool gardens, so the rockwool doesn't get algae. So you can pop those over your pots. I've made them out of paper before, and it works pretty well as long as you can keep them dry.

alright so sprayed em down with safer soap friday night, about 48 hours ago. just now checking them out again and i still see some crawlers. no change in plan, they get the soap treatment for 2 weeks. I will slap some DE in there as soon as I can pick some up.

still no signs on any of the other clones or mothers in the cab. infested clones are growing just fine and looking great.

keep in mind - this bug issue is in a veg / clone / mother cab on a few clones, unrelated to this main chamber grow.

ph has begun the dive routine again. it was 5.0 coming in today. last adjustment was about 48 hours previous to 5.9.

Bummer. Isn't AN coming out with a pH balanced formula? Or did they already do that? They have been talking that stuff up for what feels like years now.

hopefully crawlers are gone soon. what a pain in the ass.

ever notice big bud liquid smells just like dry cat food? hrm..
wonder if hygrozyme would help remove stains from laundry?

add 50ml each sensi bloom a & b
add 24ml cal/mag
add 243ml b52
add 70ml big bud
pause to get stable readings
adjust ph and pause again
add 10ml companion
add 105ml hygrozyme
add 1 cup of tea, because we are civilized.

AN calc says we should be around 1660ppm week 3, so we're about there. Planning on a cruising altitude of about 2000ppm.

girls are all now 4-6" above the screen. Three very strong tops may need to be tied down or otherwise held back a grade. they are right in the middle, right where i don't want anything too tall.

Keeping the light about 24" above the tops.

ph 5.9, ppm 1620, 66f res

went ahead and tied down 4 taller stalks. 3 with fishing line, then had (what I think is) a great idea. instead of tying down a tall one, just bend it over gently in the direction you want, then clip a clothespin or two for weight. careful not to pinch the stem directly. put the stem through the hole so the clothespin will slide and spin. slide it to where the weight will keep your suggestion of a bend in place.
as usual, pics asap.

hah i bet you could do this to young plants and smaller branches using just tin split shot fishing weights. or even larger branches by connecting a fishing weight to a bit of twisty tie. forget low stress training. time to get the girls ripped in the weight room.

Faster with the pictures!

Btw, I am almost ready for that grooming guide. They have exploded since the trimming I gave them yesterday.

oh and the ph perfect line of AN nutrients exists but can only be purchased in BC. something like that due to 'labelling issue' in the US. ive read that progressive growth hydro will ship to the US from BC but I imagine like anything else it's your dice roll on customs.

i was going to order from them for this grow but didn't get around to it. or they were out of stock on the website. or my dog ate it. or there was a flood. etc.

critters still crawlin in the veg cab, they get the soap again. plants taking it pretty well with some gripes on the older growth on some clones, new stuff all looks fine though, and still growing great, looking better daily. the main event is looking great. ph stable at 6.1 - thanks army of biologicals im guessing. ppm dropping slightly so we should be about in the zone.

Dude I am telling you, this Diatomawhatever earth is the shit bro, I don't have any bugs at all and the Blue Dream is HUGE, it already needs to be transplanted to 3.5 gal pots. I was going to use 5 gallons, but I have a feeling these will get massive if I do that. No stress at all on the plants, and the only bugs I see are dead bugs... feels good man. The Blue Dream have been growing crazy with a low PPM by the way, 650ppm.

yeah but the DE isn't going to help me remove the critters from the leaves and stems, just the base. And with these little cups/pots of coco, if I add DE to the cup I will have DE mud, or am I missing something?

quick check, no sign of them this morning. the soap is wearing some on the clones. should probably give them more time to drip it off, etc before putting them back under the light. assuming it's safe to use safer soap daily, i'll blast em as lights go off in a bit.

that blue dream will grow 16' tall if you let it.
mine are growing like crazy at 1700 ppm!

Picked up a 20lb CO2 tank and regulator today, will be installed later tonight. Forecast is for 90+ degrees this weekend so need to get an AC unit in here immediately too.

Need to look into CO2 technique, have done next to zero reading on the subject. Should be straightforward enough but I'm sure there is much for me to learn.

edit: just made arrangements to pick up a used windchaser SC7 AC tonight, same as the one i linked earlier in the thread. Hope it's as perfect for the job as it looks.

Alright so .. CO2 has been installed and good to go. I have it set as low as the flowmeter will allow, .2 cfm. This is probably producing about twice what I need, as calculating for 1750ppm says I need just .1 cfm. This should be fine.

It's been a long time since I've not run the vent filter constantly, so it's surprising to see temp stabilize at 82f with no vent. I figured we'd be up around 86f. Pleasant surprise, again I am fine with 82f. We'll see how this sticks over the next few hours. Room temp is 77f.

Wondering if I should be pulling in fresh air regularly, on a cycle rather than based on internal temp. Or do I care about fresh air anymore now that CO2 is being enriched at will?

I am not using the EVC-1 CO2 control, mostly because I am lazy and dont want to run another damn extension cord from inside the chamber. CO2 is on an interval timer, 15 on, 15 off during daylight and off at night.

This is just the hydrofarm active air CO2 kit. The solenoid is making a crazy amount of noise. I will play around with it and, if it doesnt stfu it's going back.

just 2 hours into a CO2 enriched environment and you can already see the difference. water level is dropping faster than ever.

gave the girls a cup of tea for their hard work.

don't see any bugs on the veg clones today. not surprising, those little fuckers are tiny. will continue giving them a treatment with the soap every 2 days. maybe increase it to daily if i'm around when lights are going out.

Is it not possible for you to have the HPS closer than 24''? With heat at 77F I'd think there'd be room to get it closer. For instance, I am running a 600 in a tube also, and I have it 16 inches from the tops.

Lumens at 24'' = 7,321 Footcandles

Whereas

Lumens at 16'' = 16,473 Footcandles

I've been letting the plants stretch up some so it's at 20" now. Last grow in this cab I had the light much, much closer. 8 - 12" or so. I had some burned bud tops (mostly my own fault for being out of town and not watching it during prime stretch), and the finished product shows signs of potential heat stress, also probably unrelated. Still, I've backed it off this time.

Funny you mention it though. Maybe it's a sign. I was just looking at the light distance and considering dropping it to 18" or 16". I will drop it to 18" and let's see how it goes.

http://www.hydroponics.net/learn/co2_calculator.asp

using this calculator makes the CO2 calculations very easy. .25 CFH will give me about 1800ppm in about 14 minutes on. i want to vent at least hourly so I'm trying to adjust the EVC-1 to vent at around 85. looking for a vent cycle of about 5 minutes to trigger every 15 minutes or so, so if it's venting too often i'll up the temp limit. If I can find the sweet spot like this then I'll just plug the CO2 system into the EVC-1 and skip the timer.

85 degrees on the thermo feels sick wrong hot and stuffy in there. Guess i just need to get over it, as everything i read says 85 is about minimum for an enriched CO2 environment. the ladies certainly aren't complaining.

also - finished trimming down below. nice and clean like the sexpots that they are. i did not let slide any smallies or take pity on any skimpy strands barely holding up to the screen. no room for weakness here. pain does not exist in this dojo.

Fail on the AC. 8" fan on the side of the unit exhausts hot air right back into the room. Duh.
Just happened to have the 8" to 6" flange that came with the CAN filter. I duct taped this over the exhaust port and ran 6" ducting out of the room. Looks ghetto as hell but should work. Sweating fucking bullets in here rigging it up so let's see it work!

yikes! just noticed res tem at 71. it shot right up with an afternoon of 84f in the cab.