2nd indoor grow CFLs and organics! bubblegum + bagseed advice please

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There's that one. Oh and this one.
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Oh ya this one to
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And finally this one.
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Take your choice man. Lighthouse Hydro has some good tents. Another good tent is the secret jardin dr90 tent. There are a lot good grows on here down with the dr90.

Just sit back and relax. Just buy things as you have the money for them just make sure you have all the essentials to grow and you can always add on from there.

I'm doing it one at a time. I have to keep it fairly small because its in my bedroom and the wife doesn't wanna trip on everything to get around it. I don't really want to spend more then $90-95 on this. I only spent $110 in my 4x4x7 but it had some sewn together seams in the window and door and it also has hella light leaks where they didn't keep the fabric pulled taught and straight while they sewed it. It has lips aruond the zipper to be light proof, but they screwed it up! I know you get what you pay for, but I'd feel like I screwed myself even more if my mother tent is more than my flower tent. I was thinking of doing 2 levels, and 2 sides. On the top level right side, 2 rows of 4 for mothers with either 6 small CFLs or 2 50 watt and reflector. Then, on the top left side, 2 small CFLs and 2 males in flower or veg with separate ventilation loop and no breeze on them, so as not to move any pollen. I don't need them to be big because even a male in a solo cup makes enough pollen for a small field of females. Next, on the bottom left half, I would use it for rooting clones from dirt into their veg containers. Lastly, I would use the bottom right to clone. I think I can do it, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't build my own with plywood and line it with mylar or go flat white so that I don't run into any dimensional problems and I can customize exhaust for my own needs. Thoughts, anyone?

Edit: My guano got here today and the plants were thirtsy again so I gave them each 1 liter of water with silica and I top dressed with 1/4 tsp S and 4 Tbsps in the bagseed and 2 Tbsps in the bubblegum before I watered. I should probably have used a little more in the bagseed seeing as its stem is completely red and purple now, but I will give it a few days to test it.

Ordered my tent today, I ended up going with one that only had 1 sale, but promised no light leaks and sturdy construction and its buyer protected so I took pictures of the description. It has already been loaded to be shipped. Also, I don't know if it's just wishful thinking, but I'm thinking the plants are starting to get better color since the heavy dosage of P. Temps are only 84 at clone canopy and 35% humidity, gotta work on that, but over at the bagseed and bubblegum, its 72 low and 82 high. Just for my liking. Also, huge congrats to CO and WA. Made me proud.

What do you guys think of going vertical with my mothers? Like using angled octagons or hexagons to hold the plants in their containers and a tower in the middle with alternating CFLs almost all 6500k but I'll probably put a few 3000K in there. I was thinking If I go vert, I can hold more mothers and make it rotating so that I can easily water each plant by hand, so as not to spill any dirt from them being angled to receive light. I was thinking about switching to an aero clone setup or a humidity dome and tray with rockwool as my medium. I've planted rockwool in dirt before with no problems, just have to let it dry out all the way in between waterings so you don't develop mold. If I do this properly, I can build a small bow within my tent to do separate light cycles so that I can flower 1-2 males for creating my own seed stock, should something happen. Please, someone jump into the discussion! I don't want this to just be a catalog of my thoughts!

On a side note, the tent I ordered has 3x 6 inch vents, 2x 4 inch vents, and 3 flaps, all with velcro on the outside to light proof. The 6 inch vents are all on the top and top sides, the 4 inch vents are on the bottom side and I believe back for passive air and electrical cords. Dimensions are 48" x 24" x 60." If I can really do this properly, I might use the vert grow on top of one side of my pollen box to do stress tests for mothers. Hmmmm...

Update: Watered the bubblegum today with about 3/4 liters of water. I've been spraying her with neem oil and kelp meal. Her leaves have a nice protective waxy looking coating on them now. Nice and strong she is and oh the lovely smell of pink bubblegum! Organics truly enhance the smell!

So in my thoughts on going vert, I came to a few realizations. If I'm going to do this and still have room for my flowerings males in a little corner built in cab, I have to do this in a hexagon (6 sided) shape. I'm going to remove one line and put a small column in the middle for lighting. I would go 150 HPS vert but I don't feel like dealing with a ballast and ducting. So... 3 rows, the top 2 with 5 plants at some angle yet to be determined to keep soil from flowing out during watering, and the bottom row for clone propagation in a humidity tray and dome with 2 26 watt 6500K CFLs. I'm wondering, if instead of going with 5 CFLs in each row, one per plant, if I shouldn't just use this to house 4x 42 watt 5500K? It would save me 100 watts. And I'm trying to do this as cheaply as possible while also maintaining efficiency. I would have to build my own reflectors for either of these options so that's not an issue. Squeezing 4x 42 watters onto that splitter might be though. Come on guys, anyone with some experience in mother keeping or vert growin jump on it!!

http://www.amazon.com/Zoo-Med-Reptile-Terrarium-Humidifier/dp/B0019IJXD2/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1352617296&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=reptile+fogger I'm going to use this for my clones in rockwool cubes to keep them nice and moist, probably get a heating mat eventually but not unless I'm having temp issues. No need in wasting money. I might even buy some tropical Kelvin rated bulbs later on down the road for my mothers to keep them nice and happy. BTW I <3 diesels!

Update: Watered the bagseed and bubblegum last night with about 1 1/2 liters of plain pH'd water between the two. I topped the bottom shoot from the base of the stem and have 4 tops on that side now. I also LSTd the top and FIM'd it and now have about 4-6 shoots plus when the top splits new growth.

My tent arrived last night! It is set up and running. Only small pinholes on the one side near the seam and on the corners of the velcro. Nothing that worries me, it can be patched. The door is completely lightproof and the zippers are high quality and OMG the cloth is thick and sturdy as hell! I found out my old store was being watched by the Feds because of the owner being an idiot and so he shut down and skipped town. A friend of mine informed me of a new store that opened up closer to my end of town and it cannot be watched by the Feds as they would have to have a very special warrant to watch from a residential driveway The prices are better on everything but dirt, which blows, but I discussed being able to get it cheaper and think he might be willing to discount. I asked him if business was steady and it most certainly is. I asked if he was looking to hire and he said he might be looking for some part time help in summer. I got 3 bubblegum clones and 1 bagseed in a 10"x24"x7 1/2" humidity dome with 3 vents and a PC fan going. It only has 1 26 watt 6500K in a 8 1/2" reflector, but I will add more light soon. Working on designing the setup still. Thanks for following along!

Checked on the ladies today, my clones seem to be rooting, they haven't drooped and they haven't shriveled so that's good, but I'm not so sure that bagseed clone is viable. I bought a humidity dome yesterday and put them in the new mother tent. She finally rooted this time after 2 and a half weeks, took her 5 days last grow, but I broke the roots accidentally when putting her in dirt. I might take one more before I turn to flower. Money has been hard to come by the past month. My job has been shorting my hours and our business hasn't been that great so I'm really limited in what I can afford to purchase and still have money to eat. This economy is killing me.

I went to get some FFOF today to replenish the nutrients in my dirt and re-transplant both into their same containers, just with fresh dirt, but guess what?! SOLD OUT UNTIL JANUARY!!! WTF?! They told me that next year, they will keep some on hand all thru the year but that Christmas tree sales take up so much of their inventory spacing that they simply don't have room this year. Luckily, the local hydro guy sells 3 brands of FF but his prices are $10 more a bag. I'm going to see if the heads up I gave him about the other store having it cheaper and the fact that he knows a buddy of mine will cut me enough of a discount to not order it online for $22. He charges $26 but online gives free shipping. I just dont want my plant vegging for 3 months with not much to show for it. She has been so nutrient deficient the past month and a half (if I wait til ordering the dirt to flower), that the extra veg time hasn't done much for growth because she's been so stunted. I have a pH problem in my bubblegum, she is at 7.0 and not 6.5, so P is locked out, and I'm pretty sure S, because she has lower leaves exhibiting the same symptoms the bagseed had. Unfortunately the distributor that I got my 3 liter smart pot from used cheap zip ties instead of the plastic thumb screws that are supposed to fasten it together so I had to buy some in order to take her out and trim some root mass off. I'll have to do that in order to make sure the roots get the nutrients they need from the fresh dirt and so that pH is even throughout the grow media.

I also bought an extension cord and a bathroom vanity fixture from home depot (next time buy the extension cord from walmart, you save $2.50.) I'm going to strip the one side and wire it to the vanity fixture for lighting my flowering plants. I have several Y splitters and a combination of bulbs that I can use to cover the top and penetrate halfway down the canopy. I will use my extra reflectors and bulbs for lighting the side with some kind of make shift fixture for holding the clamps. I'll upload pics when its all done, and also of the progress of the bubblegum and bagseed in the flowering tent and the clones of them that are future mothers in the new tent.

Update: Bagseed stems are turning green again, but leaves are still falling off. Instead of trying to guess as to which combination it was displaying, I finally got some FFOF and perlite (local place only carries perlite,) and transplanted the bagseed last night. She is perking up very quickly and I swear even grew an inch! I trimmed the root mass off and put 1/2 tsp pulverized lime, 2 Tbsps Sulfur, 2 tsps of FF guano + mycos, and 2 tsps of Jamaican high P guano in with the FFOF and perlite. I didn't have time to do the bubblegum, which I have now dubbed pinky, because I got home too close to lights out. That is for tonight!! I went out and bought a Home Depot bath vanity fixture and put my lights in there + 3 reflectors on the bottom to light the underside. I'll try and post pics tonight after I transplant. I'm going to give them about a week to recover, and then its FLOWER TIME!!!

Update: LST'd both plants today. Watered each with plain 6.5 water at 1 liter each. Runoff is 6.5 and soil is 6.5 so everything is gravy. I need to add more blue light somehow. Possibly getting a T5 from the local store, its pretty solid price, but it might have to wait until after Christmas and my anniversary. At that point I'll probably just buy the chrome or a progrow. My bagseed was completely void of all nutrients, she is slowly recovering. I'm thinking I'll give her an added boost of ferts instead of just whats already in the dirt. I believe that because of the extra long veg, N got way overused. New growth is tiny and leaves yellow constantly. P and S are most definitely an issue and K has become an issue that I just diagnosed in the past couple days. I've got fert that's 5-7-4 and contains mycos and archea bacteria. I also have kelp meal spray for foliar applications. Pinky is starting to display signs of N deficiency, poor girl eats like a fat kid on cake. I'm going to feed them a moderate dosage of ferts next watering in about 3-5 days.

Learn more every day huh? Pinky is starving for N so I gave her some of my all purpose organic fert and a 1/4 liter of water to wash it down. She had yellowed 3 fan leaves dry in 2 days so, no time to wait! I gave her a regular dosage, and I will most likely have her feed again after next watering, to keep her satisfied. I gave some to bagseed too because she has piss poor new growth and she's ripping through everything. Dosage is 1 1/4 tsp per gallon, I gave 3/4 of that to bagseed, and full strength to Pinky. I really need to name the other one, I just don't have a good enough feel for her yet. She made me super hungry last grow, and has a piney, diesely, lime-ish taste. Gonna give her another round before I decide. Pinky smells like straight pink candy. Truly an aroma to behold. There's also a skunk background to the bagseed.

Edit: I'll post pics soon! Pinky has good new growth from more LST and has recovered VERY nicely from an accidental snap, which caused two more nodes to appear, plus a thickening of the lateral shoot, and more growth in the middle. The FIMing resulted in 4 or 5 new tops on the "top" of the plant (I say it like that because of how she is tied and when I topped the first time after my 1st transplant, the bottom lateral shoot became the new top.) I also LST'd bagseed on all but the smallest of lower main branches, and she is loving it!

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So thinking about upgrading lighting after New Years. I'm looking into using my current vanity fixture in the flower tent to veg my rooted clones. I think I'm going to use a 2 ft 4 bulb T5 system from the local hydro store for my mothers for $86. I'll either get a 4 ft 4 bulb T5 for my flowering plants, or save big and get a 240 watt blackstar for $280, or the 180 watt Chrome for $320 from them. I might go Progrow instead of Blackstar, but I want to do a side by side and see who has the better light. Of course it will be same strain, same size container, but watering schedule and feed will be as needed, just like if I were growing them without any knowledge of the other light. Progrow is $409 for the 260, and $580 for the 400. I've seen a journal that shows 13.75 oz from the 400 with average and low yielding strains, and it was froooooosty! I've also seen nice grows with Blackstar though, and if I'm going to spend $580 on a Progrow, I would get the equivalent wattage light for the side by side, which means this won't be til next year because I'm a poor man! But plans are in the works!

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! Gobble Gobble!!

So, I forgot to add, that I'm experiencing slight humidity problems. I have a 240 cfm filter with 6 inch can attached. So 240 cfm/ (4x4x7) = 240/56 = 4.3 air exchanges per minute. So my temps are 82-84 high and 72 low. I had humidity between 27% and 41%, way too low for my liking in veg, but not an issue in flower, as I don't want mold. So I have a fan speed controller, but because I bought a cheap LEDwholesalers fan for $25, it won't operate on anything but 100% and ~80% but with a hum to the motor. As I do not have the money right now for another fan, I'm not taking that chance, its already almost a year old. I'm going to switch to brushless next year and stay the same size, but drop to 185 cfm. Filters will draw about 20-30% less air flow on a fan, and increase drag, so more realistically, I'm looking at 240x.75 = 180 cfm right now, which would be 3.2 air exchanges per minute. If I change fans its 185/56 = 3.3 air exchanges per minute. So anyways, I asked the guy at the local store, he says put a bucket of water in the room with an airstone if I had one, to keep it from growing stale and causing bacterial problems, so I have an airstone and I put a 5 gallon bucket full all but 4 inches from the top in and voila! my humidity is 29% low and 51% high with an average of ~36%. He told me in addition to my fan exchanging a hella lot of air, that because the ambient temp in my room is ~12 degrees lower than the air inside my tent, humidity will drop considerably.

I have a couple of ideas on how to fix this:
1. Switch my fan to its own timer, running 15 on 45 off all day long and see how that works
2. Save up for a thermostat fan controller that I originally intended to purchase, but didn't have ~$85 to drop on one. It wires into the fan, and then into a socket, comes mountable, and switches on at a temperature determined by me, and off at another temperature that I also set.
3. Save up and get the new brushless fan and run it dialed down to ~50% or try it in conjunction with idea 1 and 2.

Most likely all of them will do it, but as for which one is most cost effective and keeps the wife and the plants happy, that's still up in the air. I know she'll appreciate the quieter fan, but she's not so fond of me spending any more money on this than I need to, because she is already upset about the lights. I know HPS/MH work, and I can get them for fairly cheap, but I'm REALLY sold on LEDs. PAR and penetration are what matter. Footprint as well of course. I don't want any convincing otherwise, doubt that will happen here though, seeing as this is CFL thread. I'm not turned off to the idea of T5 HO for my vegging. They run super cool and have great PAR spectrum. The ones for sale here also have switchable spectra and come with bulbs. They're also able to be hung vertically, which is a huge plus for me. I'm going to retire my vanity fixture to the mother tent for vegging rooted clones once I upgrade to LED.

The reason I'm even worrying about this humidity, because the guy at the shop has been growing almost 2 decades, and he told me he knows people that would kill for my humidity, is because I want to grow some cannabis of tropical or near tropical origin. A plant whose genes come from a region where the minimum humidity is 65% won't do too well where the maximum doesn't even meet that. I know that it sounds like that might be a little much for someone of my skill level, but it says in the breeder's description that it is a hardy indica that is easy to grow. The wife needs some seriously potent PMS meds and this has been used by a tribe in Brazil for centuries during child labor, so I think it'll do the trick. I just want my room to be a jungle! Lol. Plus, my temps are perfect for tropical, just need to make sure they stay that high when I switch the fan out or put it on a timer. I'll have to suck it out down to 40% at night so no mold, because that will develop mold if it doesn't get hot enough during the "day" to evaporate all the moisture from between the calyxes. I wonder what it would be like bred with White Widow from Mr Nice. Its a Brazilian Sativa and South Indian Hybrid, and the one I'm getting is a Brazilian Indica. Its not named, just a landrace from the Amazon. I really want to get C99 from Mosca and Female and do a side by side, as well as find both the high THC pheno of 303 Snow Goddess, and the high CBD pheno of Snow Goddess. I have horrible arthritis and scoliosis, as does the wife, and that would be perfect for us. Not to mention, sour strawberry/watermelon/bubblegum sounds fucking delicious!!!

I have a random trainwreck cross single seed from a gram I bought last year. I have about 5 Apollo 11 seeds from unknown breeder that herm'd, but as long as I treat them right, I think I can avoid the nanners. I also have 3 seeds from possibly sweet tooth, not sure which pheno, but that's what the guy I got it from called it, and it did have an unusually sweet scent and taste. Kind of like if pink had a flavor... if you can picture that. I have 3 seeds from a piney diesel, which might just be the perfect thing to out-cross my bagseed to once I stabilize it and pop the rest of the beans from that batch to find desirable traits within the gene pool, plus the 3 seeds I created this year. I'll have to find a new male within the line, hopefully still one with the foxtail pheno I was looking for and lost because I was a noob. So I have 7 strains to take care of, and breed, plus I want to add WW, C99, Snow Goddess, BB, Brazil Amazonia, and Kilimanjaro, which will be difficult to grow in a tropical climate, as it hails from the Serengeti Plains. The wife will murder me for 13 mothers + breeding male, + clones, + flowering. She would shoot me. So gonna have to figure this one out. I might have to hold a few of these off until I get more room and get a little better at reading my plants. I know for sure that C99, Brazil Amazonia, bagseed, and Pinky will be the next round and most likely WW and Snow Goddess will be the last of my 6 that I'm allowed to have at any one time. Oh, how I can't wait until its legal the same as tomatoes!!!

Update: Can't post pics, my phone camera took a shit. I've got a new phone, but no money to activate yet so pics are kinda stuck. I'll see if the wife will let me borrow hers. I watered bagseed on 11/27 with 1 1/4 liters of water. I watered Pinky on 11/26 with 1 liter and has almost no run off, but on 11/28 watered with 1 liter and silica and had 1/4 liter runoff. She definitely needed it though, drooped all over. She recovered nicely from her nute deficiency. Her leaves have showed the slightest sign of burn on about 5 spots, but overall health is fantastic. Pinky has 20 tops, 2 being dominant, one from the bottom, and one from the top 1/3 of the plant. She should be ~20 inches right now, but because of LST she is 6" tall and 1 ft wide. Keep in mind, she is only in 3 liter smart pot. Bagseed has 32 tops. I'm slightly worried about her. One fan leaf is a whitish yellow, possibly iron deficiency. Its the only leaf showing any symptoms of that nature. I have chelated iron and other elements. It is extremely acidic and concentrated, I have some premixed that I will spray on that leaf and see if it helps, if not I will stop application. Iron gets locked out in high P soils, which might be my problem, or it just ran out. Though I don't know that FFOF has any iron in it. I have Azomite, but don't know if that contains any iron? Lower new growth also yellows and dies, though not as much after I fed and have watered since. Top growth looks very healthy. I'm learning that a proper nutrient schedule is a very important part of your grow.

I rehung my lights, moving them closer to the canopy, and noticed that I have split my bagseed's stem from LST. >_<! I removed 2 ties and staked her with bamboo and tied the stems shut as best I could with multiple wraps of string and tied it to the bamboo. I sprayed kelp meal down the split to help seal it and heal it. It looks extremely woody inside at the base. I checked later on temps, and 91!!! No bueno! So I removed a 55 watt CFL, 1 42 watt on the end, over the bagseed, alternated 6500K 26 watters in the middle and other end and in between is a 55 watt 2700K. It hangs between the bagseeds farthest branch and Pinky's outside branch. The end 6500K sits over the dominant colas of Pinky and there is a 55 watt 2700K in a reflector from beneath Pinky and beside and another 6500K in a reflector on the other side giving her plently of light to reach under her thick canopy. Pink Sativa Bubblegum pheno LOVES LST! While bagseed has more "tops", they are smaller and only a few are new branches, Pinky's tops are branches themselves and have their own branches on some of them. Temps dropped down to 84 again, realize that I lowered my light about 6 inches and that's why temps went up. If I'm going to use CFL I have to keep them a little closer than I had them.

Nighttime humidity and temps are 75F and 51% RH. I have to figure out how to keep temps where they are during the day and increase my humidity. Possibly going to buy a timer and use it for my fan for a :30 on 1:30 off, :15 on :45 off, repeat cycle during day time and see what that does to my environment. If it doesn't work, I can start using it to give the clones some night time. I don't like 24/0 veg. They need some night. But I can't keep the schedule right, so I leave them alone. I'm just waiting to make sure they root before I flower.

I checked on the clones today, watered them, and wiggled to see if they had rooted yet. Well the one from Pinky that looks the most viable kinda came out, she has no roots, but fresh new growth at her nodes with complete leaf sets at 2 intervals. These are both underground. I've never heard of such a thing and it makes me wonder if instead of a timer I need to clone in rockwool and forget the whole dirt cloning. Bubble bucket hasn't seemed to work for me any more because I can't remove the clones without killing the roots and this time I tried it, they took forever to clone when the first time I tried, they rooted in 5 days. I'm at a loss. Temps in there are 77F and 35% RH. It's funny, my room is about 50-55% humidity and 74-77 degrees, but I can't keep the humidity in my tents up. Anyone have any ideas or solutions?!

TOTALLY should have fed Pinky yesterday when I watered. She has yellowed a fan leave void of N in 2 days. Damn she eats. Humidity made it to 71% last night, averaging 30% during the day. Temps low at 71 and high at 86 but holding steady at 84. My thoughts are, if my fan is exhausting constantly and temps are what they are, should I just run it on cycle to save some humidity?! I don't want rot or mold but, I'm sure they would love the extra moisture. BTW when I rehung the lights, Pinky exploded an inch over night. Somehow a few leaves made it to a bulb and burned two tops. I don't know if they'll recover. One looks ready to fall off but the other was still fairly well attached, so we shall see. Bagseed's growth is nice and lush. Great color green. My phone took a total shit on me last night. Hoping to have my new one activated in the next week.

Update: I watered Bagseed with 1.5 liters of water with kelp meal, fish emulsion, lime, and silica pH'd to 6.5. I also went out and got coco coir bricks today to try and clone with and I put 1/4 inch on top of the soil to hold a little more moisture but still let air flow to dry out. I didn't do this on Pinky, but I will tomorrow. Its lights out time 45 mins ago. I took 2 healthy cuttings from Pinky and Bagseed and put them in a coco, perlite, silica, guano, myco mix and watered then just a tsp of 1/4 strength fert in water. It was the fish emulsion pH'd with lime. I took the cuttings off Pinky from the middle of the plant. One had 2 tops and some big fan leaves so I stripped the lower set and stuck her down 1/2 inch - 3/4 inch like all of them. Wish I had the camera to take pics. I went 75/25 with 75 being coco and 25 being everything else in that mix. Bagseed was very hard to choose a cutting from but I took one from the top that was kinda soft but nice and long and then one that was the only part on the plant that felt like stems should. I cut at 45 degree angle and used a very small amount of honey as root hormones because I'm organic and can't afford clonex right now.

I need to pick up flowering fert next week for Pinky. She eats like a fat kid. Ripping through N in the fan leaves and starting to deplete her P. Bagseed is doing the same, but I attribute this to the size of her rather than her feeding requirements. She is in desperate need of fast release P. I have it in fresh soil from the transplant still, and that's got a fair amount of P in it. I also have the guano in there but that's more for lasting me through 12 week flower. I'm thinking it might be more like 13 or 14 because I'm using CFL but I have no idea. Its just what I've heard about flowering with floros. I plan to flush and water plain water with honey the last 2 weeks for flavor and using up any excess fert left. Bagseed was a 10 weeker outside, middle of October, but she had very low light conditions and horrible drainage in addition to fungus gnats, S and Mg deficiency. So, I'm thinking that maybe added 2 weeks on, but we'll see. I'm going by trich color and receding of the pistils. I'm switching to flower as soon as I have new mothers. The clones didn't droop when I cut them, so that's really good. I'm running them on 24/0 until I get a timer next week or week after. I need to worry about my fan not sucking all the moisture out of my flower room so much and run it maybe 15 mins every 2 hours. We'll have to see what that would do to my temps with lights on, but I don't think it will matter with the oscillating fan I have going across the vanity fixture and and reflectors. I also need to work on getting a very quiet 4 inch for the mother tent. I need something that can run on speed control, brushless, and I really think 80-140 CFM is plenty. Its only a 40 cu ft tent. I'm not going to use a filter on it unless the mothers start to stink. They don't smell too bad now in veg, but flower will be the test of this filter. Pinky is Stinky!!! But in a good way.

Note: Fish emulsion's smell is STRONG! Use it in a WELL VENTILATED area. I almost gagged myself tonight when I spilled half a teaspoon. I can only imagine what a tablespoon would be, or half a bottle. Ugh.

Update: Sorry about the pics guys, maybe tomorrow or next week. Pinky is drinking every other day, not quite a liter today, but 3/4 liter, yellowing leaves as well, so I keep feeding her N every feeding, started upping the dosage of K from some kelp meal in the feeding, instead of just using whats in my granular and the OF and the foliar. They eat like pigs. Bagseed is starving for N and is slowly recovering from her P deficiency. My blackberry is revegging in there as well, coming along very nice, and my orange mint as well. I'm worried about my basil though, my lime pheno revegged but I have a rare licorice pheno and while I'm not a fan of it by itself, it is AMAZING on grilled sandwhiches and paninis! The clones are between 64% and 92% humidity and 75F-77F temps. Showed a little wilting on two, realized I has missed a lower fan leaf, cut it off and they both perked back up. Other two clones are nice and strong, should be rooting soon, and then one week in the coco to get a good root system before I put them in 4" containers for mother keeping, which will be done in coco. I made up my mind after watching it hold the moisture as a mulch on bagseed. When I water, it takes a nice long time to soak it up, and drains slowly, but still carries plenty of oxygen. I'm going to use the same mix I used for clones except I am going to add EWC and I'll have to buy some liquid nutes. Botanicare's Organic lineup is $36 for "Go box." Going to need a way to add the sulfur and I'm not so sure granulars are the way to go in coco, so I'm glad its a complete kit. Solo nutes will run me $22 each, not worth it. Also going to need a new fan by the next cycle. This one sounds like its going, I've had it for almost a year now, but its a cheapo $25 LED wholesalers one. Brushless or go home next. I think 140 CFM will be fine, especially with fan speed controller and carbon filter. Glad my filter works, Pinky smells strong, and bagseed is starting to put off her own aroma, she doesn't smell much unless you rub her or she is in high humidity and high heat.


Side note, keep me in your thoughts, having a rough time dealing with some shit right now. Thanks for following.

Update: Got my old phone to work again, didn't take pics of the parents, but took pics of the clones and my AACT I started brewing last night. It contains 1/2 cup of bat guano, both FF 0-5-0 + mycos, and sunleaves jamaican guano. 1-15-.2 That 1/2 cup is between the 2 of them. It also contains 2 tsp Kelp meal, 2 tsp honey, and 1 tsp molasses. pH is 6.5 and its 2 liters worth of tea with 1 3" airstone and a 5 gal air pump. I got 1" of foam in under 12 hours, so its working just fine.

Tea Clones

Clones are at 77F and 55% to 85% humidity. Not sure if the bagseed is rooting, I think I saw some roots coming out last night when I watered them with 2 tsp water each. I thought bagseed was dead so I went to take it out and saw a little stuff protruding from the bottom stem so I gently put her back in. This tea is heavy in P, which bagseed is SEVERELY lacking still. Even with the fresh dirt and added granular P. I watered plain water last night 1 liter each to Pinky and bagseed. Bagseed was drooping, but not much, just enough to need water. Pinky looked like she had been beaten to death, but perked up majorly after the watering. I had a weird power outage mid day yesterday with not a cloud in the sky. I think my timer forgot to come back on yesterday, because Pinky looks light green at her tops like she wants to flower, however the timer is working today just fine. If bagseed clones don't take, after she absorbs all the P in the tea and her stems green back up, I will reattempt clones. I cannot flower until I have clones.

The wife and I aren't doing so hot, and this is not like me to post this kind of personal matter on here, but its somewhat a factor in this grow. My best friend lives in HI and has offered part of my plane ticket to come out there and to put me up until I get on my feet out there. I'm not quite done with school, still have 2-3 years left until I get my BA. I get a discount here because my mom is an employee of the state, so I save a shit ton of money on loans for school. I have about 3/4 of the money for http://www.blackstarled.com/efsf6.html. If I don't go to HI in Jan when my buddy is off, I can get the light, make enough from not buying my own supply any more to buy my own ticket to come out during summer between semesters. If I go in Jan right before school, I MIGHT be able to use my excess tuition money to buy the light after books. I am however, a little worried that if I take this trip and the wife decides she wants to work things out, that she might decide to say fuck it since I didn't wait for her to come back, and because I went to HI without her. So I'm in a bit of a predicament. Thanks again to anyone following along. I'll maybe post pics tonight after I go back out to my mechanics house of the progress in Veg. My Triple Crown Blackberry has completely come back from losing its leaves for fall from being outside. Damn does it have some THICK foliage on her. Orange Mint is also doing well, however I am worried a bit about my licorice Basil pheno. Still hasn't reveged. I think I might need to trim her back a little more, the way I did the Lime Basil.