2022 elections. The steady march for sanity continues.

Roger A. Shrubber

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Repugs are pissed by a taste of their own medicine. Trust Fix News to make it sound like a bad thing.

the republicans are worried that the DOJ might be onto their shit...and i think they have reason to be worried :lol:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Apparently, there is an emerging story that republicans have been flooding the zone with false polling results that put them in the lead. I saw it on Joy Reid but can't find any sources online. Something doesn't seem right about the republican polling lead when you take their recent history into account and policies that are at odds with polling on issues by a wide margin. Maybe white America has tossed democracy and the constitution aside for minority fascist rule, fear of nothing at all is driving them, along with culture wars that have no real substance or importance. In any case, considering their slavish devotion to Trump, their shitty unpopular policies, J6, corruption and scandal, logic would tell you they should be politically extinct by now, not poised to take power.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Apparently, there is an emerging story that republicans have been flooding the zone with false polling results that put them in the lead. I saw it on Joy Reid but can't find any sources online. Something doesn't seem right about the republican polling lead when you take their recent history into account and policies that are at odds with polling on issues by a wide margin. Maybe white America has tossed democracy and the constitution aside for minority fascist rule, fear of nothing at all is driving them, along with culture wars that have no real substance or importance. In any case, considering their slavish devotion to Trump, their shitty unpopular policies, J6, corruption and scandal, logic would tell you they should be politically extinct by now, not poised to take power.
or maybe they're all getting ready to dispute the actual results...just like big stupid brother showed them.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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or maybe they're all getting ready to dispute the actual results...just like big stupid brother showed them.
I honestly don't know what will happen this election and I don't think anybody does, even the pollsters, we will know in a week how it turns out. The Magats bitching and freaking out if they lose is a given and so is political violence, they are getting more frantic all the time and don't need Trump any more to push the boundaries. After J6 and the rest of the bullshit from abortion to Ukraine, I figured they should be finished.

Governments can't do much about inflation or gas prices, not with the GOP in everybody's pocket and the con artists are for sale. It's the same with domestic terrorism and fascism, the republicans will block every attempt to address the problem. Corporations are fueling inflation with greed and the inability of government weakened by decades of lobbying against taxes and regulations to do anything about it, or make them feel the pain, an excess profits tax would be socialism!
 

Fogdog

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As with any google search, the article my search took me do did not provide what I asked for in my google search -- "statistical analysis of republican and democrat use of violent rhetoric". Instead, the article looks at the contradiction between surveys that show between 10% to 40% of Americans support political violence with the observation that politically motivated hate crimes in the US are very rare -- less than 1%. The article is to me a hard read. Some to the figures do not include adequate labels to describe the different markers in the graphs. It's also laden with jargon that I'm not familiar with. So, I'm relying on what I could glean from what I could understand and the conclusions the authors provide.

Nonetheless, the article contains an alternative view. That political rhetoric, is mostly just that. We may disagree but our political views do not lead to accepting violence. The authors don't say it but their findings disgree with people who say we are headed for a civil war. This article would dispute that. Their study suggests that the US is not decaying toward a violent civil war.

Current research overstates American support for political violence


The basic conclusion from this study:

Support for Partisan Violence Is Lower than Previously Reported

Yet, evidence suggests that affective polarization is not related to and does not cause increases in support for political violence (20, 21) and is generally unrelated to political outcomes (21, 22). Moreover, partisan violence appears to be unrelated to many other political variables (2). We are therefore left with a phenomenon that is not explained by the current literature on partisan animosity, that is rarely observed in the world, but that is based on prior work supported by a near majority of the American population (13).

High sounding words. Political animosity: or "affective polarization" is up, meaning apolitical consequences such as who we marry or socialize with at work or elsewhere. Who is awarded a scholarship and employment can be affected by partisan animosity. The authors found that support for political violence does not appear to be related to political animosity. An apparent contradiction that they address in their study.

Other conclusions:
Ambiguous Questions Create Upward Bias in Estimates of Support for Violence.
Disengaged Respondents Upwardly Bias Measures of Support for Political Violence.
Respondents Reject Extreme Violence, Whether It Is Political or Not

Summary statement:

Not only is support for violence low overall, but support drops considerably as political violence becomes more severe. The most serious form of political violence—murder in service of a political cause—is widely condemned.
Importantly, our results are not conditional on partisanship (SI Appendix, Tables S2, S20, and S33). Our results are robust to several other predicted causes of political violence. We find that several standard political measures (i.e., affective polarization and political engagement) are less predictive of support for political violence than are general measures of aggression


If this is true, then the concerns coming from those who are to the left of the radical right MAGA types are overblown. There are violent actors in that group and as attempted assassination of Kavanaugh indicates, there are violent actors on the left too. Trump did incite a mob to attack the Capitol Building but this article indicates most people who are Republicans do not support that kind of violence.
 

hanimmal

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As with any google search, the article my search took me do did not provide what I asked for in my google search -- "statistical analysis of republican and democrat use of violent rhetoric". Instead, the article looks at the contradiction between surveys that show between 10% to 40% of Americans support political violence with the observation that politically motivated hate crimes in the US are very rare -- less than 1%. The article is to me a hard read. Some to the figures do not include adequate labels to describe the different markers in the graphs. It's also laden with jargon that I'm not familiar with. So, I'm relying on what I could glean from what I could understand and the conclusions the authors provide.

Nonetheless, the article contains an alternative view. That political rhetoric, is mostly just that. We may disagree but our political views do not lead to accepting violence. The authors don't say it but their findings disgree with people who say we are headed for a civil war. This article would dispute that. Their study suggests that the US is not decaying toward a violent civil war.

Current research overstates American support for political violence


The basic conclusion from this study:

Support for Partisan Violence Is Lower than Previously Reported

Yet, evidence suggests that affective polarization is not related to and does not cause increases in support for political violence (20, 21) and is generally unrelated to political outcomes (21, 22). Moreover, partisan violence appears to be unrelated to many other political variables (2). We are therefore left with a phenomenon that is not explained by the current literature on partisan animosity, that is rarely observed in the world, but that is based on prior work supported by a near majority of the American population (13).

High sounding words. Political animosity: or "affective polarization" is up, meaning apolitical consequences such as who we marry or socialize with at work or elsewhere. Who is awarded a scholarship and employment can be affected by partisan animosity. The authors found that support for political violence does not appear to be related to political animosity. An apparent contradiction that they address in their study.

Other conclusions:
Ambiguous Questions Create Upward Bias in Estimates of Support for Violence.
Disengaged Respondents Upwardly Bias Measures of Support for Political Violence.
Respondents Reject Extreme Violence, Whether It Is Political or Not

Summary statement:

Not only is support for violence low overall, but support drops considerably as political violence becomes more severe. The most serious form of political violence—murder in service of a political cause—is widely condemned.
Importantly, our results are not conditional on partisanship (SI Appendix, Tables S2, S20, and S33). Our results are robust to several other predicted causes of political violence. We find that several standard political measures (i.e., affective polarization and political engagement) are less predictive of support for political violence than are general measures of aggression


If this is true, then the concerns coming from those who are to the left of the radical right MAGA types are overblown. There are violent actors in that group and as attempted assassination of Kavanaugh indicates, there are violent actors on the left too. Trump did incite a mob to attack the Capitol Building but this article indicates most people who are Republicans do not support that kind of violence.
I hate to reduce this great read down to a 24 second YouTube video. But it does help me when I see these domestic terrorists getting triggered.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Like the myth that the republicans are good for the economy when the opposite is true, up is down, black is white, believe what we tell you, not what you see and hear. How Foxnews destroys America for power and profit by brainwashing the vulnerable and weak minded of the nation, pandering to and amplifying their prejudices and fears.


Chris Hayes: The Myth Of Crime As A Big-City, Blue-State Problem
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Yes, crime is up. But it is not only happening in big cities in blue states, despite what Republicans across the country and Fox News would like you to believe.
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-biden-democracy-anita-dunn-government-and-politics-16c8a7f93e6d1718bd794671d186bed3?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_02
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Warning that democracy itself is in peril, President Joe Biden called on Americans Wednesday night to use their ballots in next week’s midterm elections to stand up against lies, violence and dangerous “ultra MAGA” election disruptors who are trying to “succeed where they failed” in subverting the 2020 elections.

This is no time to stand aside, he declared. “Silence is complicity.”

After weeks of reassuring talk about America’s economy and inflation, Biden turned to a darker, more urgent message, declaring in the final days of midterm election voting that the nation’s system of governance is under threat from former President Donald Trump’s election-denying lies and the violence Biden said they inspire.

The president singled out “ultra MAGA” Republicans — a reference to Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan — calling them a minority but “driving force” of the Republican Party.

Pointing in particular to last Friday’s attack on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Biden said that Trump’s false claims about a stolen election have “fueled the dangerous rise of political violence and voter intimidation over the past two years.”

“There’s an alarming rise in the number of people in this country condoning political violence or simply remaining silent,” Biden added. “In our bones we know democracy is at risk, but we also know this: It’s in our power to preserve our democracy.”

The president’s speech — focused squarely on the rite of voting and the counting of that vote — amounted to a plea for Americans to step back from the inflamed rhetoric that has heightened fears of political violence and challenges to the integrity of the elections. Biden was straddling two roles, speaking as both a president defending the pillars of democracy and a Democrat trying to boost his party’s prospects against Republicans.

He called out the hundreds of candidates who have denied the 2020 election result and now refuse to commit to accepting the results of the upcoming midterms.

“This driving force is trying to succeed where they failed in 2020 to suppress the rights of voters and subvert the electoral system itself,” Biden said.

“That is the path to chaos in America. It’s unprecedented. It’s unlawful. And it is un-American.”

The speech came days after a man seeking to kidnap House Speaker Pelosi severely injured her husband, Paul Pelosi, in their San Francisco home in the worst recent example of the political violence that burst forth with the Jan. 6, 2021 insurrection at the Capitol and has continued with alarming, though less-spectacular incidents.

Election workers nationwide have questioned whether to go back to work following increased intimidation and harassment ahead of Election Day. At least five people have been charged with federal crimes for harassing workers as early voting has gotten underway.

Reports of people watching ballot boxes in Arizona, sometimes armed or wearing ballistic vests, have raised serious concerns about voter intimidation. Election officials nationwide are bracing for confrontations at polling sites. A flood of conspiracy theorists have signed up to work as partisan poll watchers.

Emphasizing that it is the first federal election since the Capitol riot and Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, Biden called on voters to reject candidates who have denied the results of the vote, which even Trump’s own administration declared to be free of any widespread fraud or interference.

Biden asked voters to “think long and hard about the moment we are in.”

“In a typical year, we are not often faced with the question of whether the vote we cast will preserve democracy or put it at risk,” he said. “But we are this year.”

“I hope you’ll make the future of our democracy an important part of your decision to vote and how you vote,” Biden added, asking Americans to consider whether the candidates they are supporting would respect the will of the people and accept the outcome of their election.

“The answer to that question is vital and in my opinion it should be decisive,” he said.

Biden also aimed to get ahead of conspiracy theories about the ongoing vote, saying Americans were voting early, by mail and by absentee ballot and it would take time to tally them “in a legal and orderly manner.” Major changes in voting in 2020 because of the pandemic prompted more early voting and mail-in voting and saw record turnout. It took five days before the results of the 2020 presidential election were final.

“It is important for citizens to be patient,” Biden said.

Some Republicans sharply criticized Biden’s remarks. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, who stands to be speaker of the House if the GOP retakes control of the chamber, tweeted, “President Biden is trying to divide and deflect at a time when America needs to unite—because he can’t talk about his policies that have driven up the cost of living. The American people aren’t buying it.”

Biden delivered his remarks from Washington’s Union Station, blocks from the U.S. Capitol, just six days before polls close on Nov. 8 and as more than 27 million Americans have already cast their ballots.

Before the speech, U.S. Capitol Police Chief Tom Manger said he’s reviewed the attack on Pelosi’s husband and believes today’s political climate calls for more resources and better security for members of Congress after a massive increase in threats to lawmakers following the Capitol riot. He also made a rare call to stop the rancorous conspiracy talk that has swirled around the attack.

“Our brave men and women are working around the clock to meet this urgent mission during this divisive time,” he said in a statement. “In the meantime, a significant change that will have an immediate impact will be for people across our country to lower the temperature on political rhetoric before it’s too late.”

Biden last delivered a prime-time speech on what he called the “continued battle for the soul of the nation” on Sept. 1 outside Independence Hall in Philadelphia, in which he condemned the “MAGA forces” of Trump and his adherents as a threat to America’s system of government.

The new remarks come as hundreds of candidates who have falsely denied the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election are on ballots across the country, with many poised to be elected to critical roles overseeing elections.

In contrast to the September remarks, which drew criticism from some corners for being paid for by taxpayers, Biden’s Wednesday night speech was hosted by the Democratic National Committee.

Many Americans remain pessimistic about the state of U.S. democracy. An October poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that just 9% of adults think democracy is working “extremely” or “very well,” while 52% say it’s not working well.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Michael Moore Predicts Dem Wave Victory In Midterms

57,689 views Nov 3, 2022
Filmmaker Michael Moore joins MSNBC’s Ari Melber on the midterms in the final week of campaigning, predicting a Democratic sweep, adding that Republicans are “not going to win next Tuesday.” Moore also responds to conservative activist Grover Norquist saying on “The Beat” that no Republicans “wielding any power” will push to raise the social security or Medicare ages. On media reports that there may be a “red wave,” Moore balks: " I know I take a minority position on this… No actually, we're not going to lose. There's more of us than there are of them."
 
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