2010 Revised Super Soil Recipe

I will start by saying im new to organic mixes but I would like to try the super soil mix but im a little confused about the part of letting it sit in the sun for 30 days. Do I leave it in the sun uncovered or do I leave lid on container and leave in the sun. I have only used bag mixes so I neved had to let it sit out.

Haight1985 said:

I will start by saying im new to organic mixes but I would like to try the super soil mix but im a little confused about the part of letting it sit in the sun for 30 days. Do I leave it in the sun uncovered or do I leave lid on container and leave in the sun. I have only used bag mixes so I neved had to let it sit out.

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Cover it, if you can put it in the sun thats great... but if you cant just make sure its in the garage or somewhere its hot... good luck and welcome...

Thank you for posting the updated Super Soil Recipe

Alright guys, I have another quick question.I couldnt get Roots Organics so i got a soil with alot of the same stuff in it...but it doesnt have the coir in it. Im thinking of buying some straight coir but have no idea how much to add to the 8 bags of soil. Anyone have an Idea how much to add? 2cufeet? I have almost all the ingredaints now. Im just waiting for the azomite and powderd humic acid then its time to get the show started.
Thanks everyone
BigBudE

hi-o
i've been driving myself crazy searching the internet and making phone calls all over canada trying to find a soil that is even remotely similar to roots organic with very little luck. i've found a couple of options, but they're both a 5+ hour drive from here (each way). subcool was nice enough to suggest bio-bizz light mix, but it's not allowed into canada either. what i've discovered is that organic soil is only allowed into canada from outside if it's completely inactive; no microbial life of any kind for fear of introducing a foreign and possibly intrusive life-form into the country. makes sense to me. anyway...

i was hoping to get some people's thoughts on the two soils i DID find as well as to hear if anyone has used subcool's super soil with something like promix/sunshine/bcuzz as the base. subcool says sunshine would be his last choice because he's concerned it wouldn't work well with the "water-only" approach. my question is; would it not work well in the sense that you would have to top-dress earlier/more frequently, or would it not work well in the sense that there would be more chance of lock-outs and burns/deficiencies?

if using sunshine or promix, do people add anything to make the base a little hotter (or more like soil, and less like a soil-less hydro medium)? any words from someone who's used a soil-less base with super soil would be immensely appreciated. so far, trying to find a soil that matches roots has gotten me almost banned from a country, threatened with arrest and fines, and has led me down innumerable internet goose-chases. i alos bought 10- bags of roots for over $200...then had to leave it all at the border. i AM enjoying it though.

here are the two soils i've found and could possibly drive for, if they seem worthwhile:

SeaSoil: Macronutrients: 2.1-.16-.05 32Litre bags
Created from a mixture of fish and forest fines. This top-quality product is rich in colour and in nutrients while maintaining a neutral pH. SEA SOIL™ contains all necessary micro and macro nutrients to grow a healthy garden, is weed-free, and is an excellent way to retain moisture. SEA SOIL™ is approved by the B.C. Certified Organics Program as well as listed by the Organic Materials Review Institute (OMRI). With no fish odour, this two year composted soil is a complete soil for your garden.

Gaia Green Living Soil: 4-4-4
INGREDIENTS:
Soil medium ingredients: hypnum peat, sphagnum peat, perlite, african night crawler worm castings, fertilizing soil conditioner.
Fertilizer ingredients: Alfalfa meal, bone meal, blood meal, glacial rock dust, mined potassium sulphate, natural humate complex, rock phosphate, greensand, kelp meal, gypsum, bat guano.


Any and all informed thoughts and opinions will be greatly appreciated...

Gorp,
Those both look like pretty good soils to me, especialy the second one. Mainley becouse it has a bit of the same stuff as Roots does but the first one looks good too..
About the sunshine mix, I think he was talking about that if you used it you would have to do more than water around the flowering cycle such as top-dressing and probally nute/ferts.
Well i hope this has somewhat helped.
ANYONE, if i am accidently steering gorp in the wrong direction please let me and him know.
BigBudE

So i dont know if this has been asked or answered but theres 186 pages...alot to read. Now i can find bat guano but nowhere near 0-5-0 all i can find is 2-17-0 bloom or a 10-3-1 veg So i dont know what to do any answers would be apreciated thanks all.

BlueNiloc said:

So i dont know if this has been asked or answered but theres 186 pages...alot to read. Now i can find bat guano but nowhere near 0-5-0 all i can find is 2-17-0 bloom or a 10-3-1 veg So i dont know what to do any answers would be apreciated thanks all.

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Look for Happy Frog Bat Guano. Its in a blue re-sealable bag. Most hydro shops carry it, though it might not be with all the other bat guanos in the paper bags. If you cant find it at the local hydro shop go to ebay and type in Happy Frog Bat Guano and it should come right up. Its usually around $15 at hydro stores. The only thing im confused about is in subs supply pics and the youtube vid of him mixing it, i think he uses 1 4 pound bag and not the 5 pounds the typed recipe calls for. So im not sure if i should go ahead and buy another bag so i'll have 5 pounds or just stick with the one 4 pound bag that i have already.
Well, i hope this has helped you out at least a little.
BigBudE

Lockout are happening when this soil dries or at least with the Fox farm ocean forest/light warrior base I think. Could be the peat content. I will definitely hse coco base stuff next time. I was gone for two days and some fo the leaves on the ones that were bone dry ended up little twisted the next day after being re-hydrated upon my return. I've always kept soils moist except for that incident and this is what I could observe so I suppose if your using base potting soil with peat don't let that mix dry. I wonder if that's why some other growers are having problems letting soil mixes dry as the growing paradigm dictates? I thought share this observation OTHERWISE these plants are eating this stuff up.

elduece said:

Lockout are happening when this soil dries or at least with the Fox farm ocean forest/light warrior base I think. Could be the peat content. I will definitely hse coco base stuff next time. I was gone for two days and some fo the leaves on the ones that were bone dry ended up little twisted the next day after being re-hydrated upon my return. I've always kept soils moist except for that incident and this is what I could observe so I suppose if your using base potting soil with peat don't let that mix dry. I wonder if that's why some other growers are having problems letting soil mixes dry as the growing paradigm dictates? I thought share this observation OTHERWISE these plants are eating this stuff up.

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That sucks but thanks for letting us know. I know there are some people using the FFOF here becouse they couldnt find anything else.
BigBudE

Hello again and sorry to be coming back with the same problem. BigBudE, many thanks and much appreciation (and some added rep) for the quick reply on my last post. It turns out it’s not even possible for me to get either of the soils I mentioned in my last post shipped. Alas…after hours, days and weeks of searching online, I think I’ve decided to go with either Promx Ultimate Organic potting soil, Promix HP or sunshine #4 (or the organic sunshine #4, if I can find it).

As each of those is pretty inert, I was thinking of adding a couple of things to make it a little more similar to the roots base soil. I won’t be adding everything listed in the roots organic, as I’d be totally confused with ratios, but I AM thinking of adding some earthworm castings, a pinch of bone and blood meal, and maybe a dash of kelp meal and glacial rock dust (trace elements). I was also considering adding a little powdered humic acid. Any thoughts? this will be left to cook, then used as the 1gallon base-soil, as well as being the base-soil for making the super soil.


I’m sure everyone’s familiar with sunshine mix and promix hp, but here is what is in the Promix Ultimate Organic potting soil:

Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss
(65-75% by volume)

Sea-based Compost (from composted shrimp shells & seaweed)

Limestone (for pH adjustment)

Perlite

Mycorise® - endomycorrhizae inoculant



Here are my prospective base-soil mixes:

40% Promix HP with myco OR sunshine #4
30% perlite
30% earthworm castings
Dash of bone meal
Dash of blood meal
Dash of kelp meal
Fine sprinkling of glacial rock dust (trace elements)
2 table-spoon/gallon Dolomite lime

OR

50% Promix Ultimate ORGANIC with myco
30% perlite
20% worm castings
Dash or bone meal
Dash of blood meal
Fine sprinkling of glacial rock dust (trace elements)
2 table-spoon/gallon dolomite lime

Those recipes would be for my BASE-soil. I would let this all cook for several weeks as well. Then use it in the 1gallon pots, as well as to make the super-soil, following subcool’s instructions.

Anyone have any thoughts? Or any tested pro-mix/sunshine mix base-soil recipes for Subcool’s super soil?

Sir Subcool, I read somewhere that you were in Winnipeg for a while; considering what I’ve been going through trying to find a comparatively comprehensive (to roots organic) soil in Canada, I’m guessing you must have been using either promix or sunshine mix while you were in Manitoba. There are some fancy soils out west, but they’re not available to me here. I’ve tried everything I can think of. If you were indeed using promix/sunshine, would you be so kind as to share some experiences or your most successful promix/sunshine-based recipe? Did you amend the promix/sunshine for the base soil? What do you think of my potential recipes? Not expecting anything definite one way or the other…but if the recipes sound any alarms or seem theoretically sound, I’d love to hear it.

I apologize to all of you; I’m a wordy, bored-at-work jabberer.

I'm leaving to fly-fish some atlantic salmon tonight, and look forward to seeing what kinds of wizened advice and opinions are here when i get back, thursday....

Have fun, one & all, and much appreciation!

Gorp,
You might be better off going to a Hydroponics/garden store and take a look at the ingreidiants and find something. Personally, ive never used the promix but ive known people that have thats loved it (They used it in there own recipe) but have also heard people say they were not impressed. You could get a local soil that they sell by cubic ft and make some killer base soil your self, It can be a pain in the ass but but at least youll have everything you want in it.
BigBudE

thanks for the answer suburd, and the attitude thanks again for responding but chill broheim, there are peeps around curious to your methods and not just brown-nosers to feed your ego. i'll be blowing spliffs in your direction at the cow in sept.

Its been 2 weeks and I have been mixing every couple days. Only watered once because I over watered and Im letting the soil get dry again. I have a 50 gal tote and its sealed in my garage.

I haven't seen the white foam on top of the soil.Does it mean that its not breaking down etc?

weeds247 said:

Its been 2 weeks and I have been mixing every couple days. Only watered once because I over watered and Im letting the soil get dry again. I have a 50 gal tote and its sealed in my garage.

I haven't seen the white foam on top of the soil.Does it mean that its not breaking down etc?

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i dont see the "foam" on mine, and mine works great bro... This is def a question for the man himself...

I mixed up a batch of this stuff yesterday. I only did enough for 3 or so pots. Heres my math please correct me if I'm wrong. I will write back to let everyone know how my precious's are doing Bubba Kush & Bubble Berry
2 Bags roots organic potting soil
6.25 Lbs worm castings
1.25 Lbs Bone Meal
1.25 Lbs Indonesian Bat Guano
1.25 Lbs Blood Meal
.75 Lbs Rock Phosphate
3 Tblspns Epsom Salt
1 Tlspn Dolomite
1 Tblspn Azomite
1/2 Tblspn Humate ??? Local Nursery did not have Powdered Humic Acid. Is this pretty much the same?
Also I am growing my precious's indoors in a secret jardin DR150. Since I have less room (Mainly height) to grow my plants will a 5 gallon pot be enough?

So I made it through this whole thread finally and was surprised to find only one mention. Of the Roots Formula 707.

Has anybody used this as a base for a SS? I tried it last run with some burn issues and it was pretty damn hot.

This current run I am using it as well in a mix.

I used equal parts 707 and Sphagnum peat to stretch it out a bit more. Then added approximately 10% perlite, 1 cup powdered dolomite lime per cubic foot, and a few scoops of Great White Shark. The lime was granular and I ground it up in my blender to make it more readily available.

The plants really seem to like it so far. I do think next time I will twist in a bit more perlite though.
We have 6 or 7 different strains using his soil and all of them seem to really like it with the exception of the Dinafem Black Widow.

I guess we will have to wait and see. Does anybody have any thoughts on the mix I made? What it would benifit from or any potential problems it may cause? Never tried making my own soil until that mix, and then I found this thread later. My local shop has the 707 and the standard Roots organic soil, so for those who have used it or tested is, what do you think?

I don't grow organic, and we use GH Flora Series nutes.

Life Goes On said:

I mixed up a batch of this stuff yesterday. I only did enough for 3 or so pots. Heres my math please correct me if I'm wrong. I will write back to let everyone know how my precious's are doing Bubba Kush & Bubble Berry
2 Bags roots organic potting soil
6.25 Lbs worm castings
1.25 Lbs Bone Meal
1.25 Lbs Indonesian Bat Guano
1.25 Lbs Blood Meal
.75 Lbs Rock Phosphate
3 Tblspns Epsom Salt
1 Tlspn Dolomite
1 Tblspn Azomite
1/2 Tblspn Humate ??? Local Nursery did not have Powdered Humic Acid. Is this pretty much the same?
Also I am growing my precious's indoors in a secret jardin DR150. Since I have less room (Mainly height) to grow my plants will a 5 gallon pot be enough?

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Sounds like its about right but the origanal guano in the recipe is 0-5-0 happy frog. The indonesian is quite a bit more en that. Also, about the humate im not to sure but i thinkits fine but it does have other good stuff in there with so im not sure ibut you might want to use a hair more since there isnt going to be as much actual humic since it has other stuff to it. Does that make since? or am i wrong?
BigBudE

Smokej9009 said:

So I made it through this whole thread finally and was surprised to find only one mention. Of the Roots Formula 707.

Has anybody used this as a base for a SS? I tried it last run with some burn issues and it was pretty damn hot.

This current run I am using it as well in a mix.

I used equal parts 707 and Sphagnum peat to stretch it out a bit more. Then added approximately 10% perlite, 1 cup powdered dolomite lime per cubic foot, and a few scoops of Great White Shark. The lime was granular and I ground it up in my blender to make it more readily available.

The plants really seem to like it so far. I do think next time I will twist in a bit more perlite though.
We have 6 or 7 different strains using his soil and all of them seem to really like it with the exception of the Dinafem Black Widow.

I guess we will have to wait and see. Does anybody have any thoughts on the mix I made? What it would benifit from or any potential problems it may cause? Never tried making my own soil until that mix, and then I found this thread later. My local shop has the 707 and the standard Roots organic soil, so for those who have used it or tested is, what do you think?

I don't grow organic, and we use GH Flora Series nutes.

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ive used the 707 for my base in the SS mix, works good for me my man...

i use 3 bags of the 3cu ft of 707 and 2 light warrior (because my shop does not carry biobizz)