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    California 2012: How do we get the No voters to vote yes?

    if you really believe npr has any sort of power over the electorate, you're more delusional than i thought. what killed 19 was fear and greed. yes, the feds are going to demand their pound of flesh. they're going to come in after any sort of legalization and make their challenge to state's...
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    California 2012: How do we get the No voters to vote yes?

    but the freedom to choose and to choose freely is really the most basic of our rights. you may not agree with another's choice, but that they have that choice is what is most important. it is becoming more obvious every day that the very concept of freedom is being redefined out of existence...
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    California 2012: How do we get the No voters to vote yes?

    there really wasn't much wrong with 19. what muddied the waters were all those folks who insisted on obfuscation and disinformation for their own ends. the mmj industry, the criminal element and the greedy small timers had more to do with its defeat that even the rabidly prohibitionist reefer...
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    California 2012: How do we get the No voters to vote yes?

    the same might be said of the liberal machine. gone are the days when liberalism stood against enforced authority and celebrated the individual. the difference between these two examples is that the grassroots levels of the tea party still maintain their ideology, while every level of...
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    California 2012: How do we get the No voters to vote yes?

    i find the liberal view of the tea party to be an amazing phenomenon. during the last election i asked a lot of people what their view on 19 was and found that those most aligned with tea party ideals were the most likely of the non-smokers to be on the pro side. at its most grass-roots level...
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    California 2012: How do we get the No voters to vote yes?

    the single greatest fallacy in your argument is that it was commerce that defeated any legislation. quite to the contrary, it was the very idea of new revenue sources that made 19 palatable to many who would have otherwise voted against legalization. there are a bunch of people out there who...
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    Maybe John Kennedy's driver William Greer shot him with an air pistol

    well thank goodness this case is closed, now we can get to the really important business of the day. questions like "pepsi or coke" and "tastes great or less filling" are just waiting for our attention. i doubt that oswald, ruby or greer really give a flying fuck, they're all decades gone and...
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    Federal Appeals Court Blocks Gov. Jan Brewer's Anti-Immigrant Law

    oh boy, more activist judges disregarding the needs of the american people and forcing their own version of some quasi-marxist utopia down our collective throat. abolish borders, flood the market with cheap labor, create the worker's paradise of comfortable poverty and allow the ruling elite to...
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    Poll : Will you vote for legalizing for just the people this time and not business?

    are you two even listening to what you're saying? i don't know what planet you've been spending your time on, but it is its illegal nature that has caused the trade to be romanticized and you want to keep up the charade. only by legitimizing sales will the stigma be removed and the hard core...
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    Abortion or Shutdown

    you must be joking. ppfa, a non-governmental corporation, receives about a third of its funding from government sources and is directly responsible for approximately a quarter of the million plus abortions performed every year in this country. on top of that, they are one of the prime...
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    Abortion or Shutdown

    it may seem odd to vote for both the fourth and last options, but there is some method to my particular madness. what you characterize as anti-abortion efforts are, in fact, only an effort to end the taxpayer funding of the "abortion on demand" industry. while i don't support the idea of...
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    Poll: Solving The Debt Issue:

    of course they are. what other choices have you really given? it seems you learned your poll construction skills from med.
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    Where's The Proof LibOffice of Mendocino Country Sheriff doubled their mrulism Works?

    i'm afraid this thread was fatally flawed from its outset. how does one go about proving the success of any system or ideology? their failures may be glaring, but success can only be gauged by the legacy they leave behind. the better question to ask is what legacy would the tenets of modern...
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    Maybe John Kennedy's driver William Greer shot him with an air pistol

    silly me, i thought it always was.
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    Budget Show Down. Tea Party Demands Government Shut Down

    that everyone should be held accountable for their abuses would seem rather obvious, but the very term "abuse" appears to be a matter of opinion in the modern liberal/progressive community. is there some reason an employer should continue to support any portion of its workforce that is either...
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    Budget Show Down. Tea Party Demands Government Shut Down

    why would you expect business to be any different than the rest of us? the goods and services we purchase must prove their worth to us every day or we simply refuse to buy them. why should your labor be held to any lesser standard? if it is no longer needed or the demands of the employer have...
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    Budget Show Down. Tea Party Demands Government Shut Down

    to the statists in the room, the idea of limiting government is anti-government. without the constant growth of the bureaucracy they see no growth at all, only the greed of selfish individuals. whether they are blind to the capacity of the private sector to solve our problems or simply...
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    Maybe John Kennedy's driver William Greer shot him with an air pistol

    i'm not sure i can fit all this into the dogma of our new creed, "The Church Of The Grassy Knoll". so far we've included benny hinn and the original list of dallas luminaries, bigfoot and the illuminutty, bob dylan, miracle max, abraham zapruder and his magical camera, 23 of the 72 virgins i...
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    Maybe John Kennedy's driver William Greer shot him with an air pistol

    are we now assuming that jack nicholson asassinated "the one who would be known as benny hinn"? all this time i thought it was a collaboration between the bigfoot population and the illuminutty.
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    Maybe John Kennedy's driver William Greer shot him with an air pistol

    are we playing tetris now? i think mine's broken. as hard as i try, i can't get those damn little boxes to rotate or even move.
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