question on sclorotia (truffle) dosing

[Mr ADHD]

I ordered another batch of truffles, they should be here by Saturday

This time I went with the Atlantis and Pajaritos strains, 30g of each. As before the recommended dosage is 15g.

I'm curious of if and how much one should adjust the dosage for body mass? For example: I'm 5'11" 250 pounds. I have no doubt that I am most certainly overweight but I do have pretty good muscle tone if that makes any difference in absorption.

The first time I tried them 7.5g of Mexicana yielded a ruffly 2-3 hour mild trip, no visuals at all. My gf who is quite a bit smaller then me had the same expirience on the same dosage.

The second time I ate 15g of Hollandia on an empty stomach and then puked about 15 minutes later... This left me with a very short trip, but an interesting altered perspective. GF didn't partake that day.

The 3rd time both my gf and I consumed 15g of Hollandia pureed into fruit smoothies an hour after a meal and both of us felt nothing, other then that slight tingle in your head during the come up.

I figure I need to adjust the dose a little for body mass and to allow for the fact that I have to keep a little in my stomach. Both because of nausea, and the fact that I'm prone to getting bad headaches and the shakes from low blood sugar.

So heres the plan for this saturday : We will both eat a light breakfast at around 8 followed by a light lunch around 11. Wait 2 hours after we finish lunch and then eat the truffles once again pureed in the blender with frozen strawberry's and pineapple juice. Going to dose 20g each this time, 15g Atlantis + 5g Pajaritos.

I figure ill wait 1.5 hours after the initial dose and then eat a few crackers and cheese (like 4 ritz crackers) and have another 5g of pajaritos to keep things going if I feel the need too.

Does that sound about right, or should I start with 15g again and then re dose?

 

[rory420420]

Dude at this point,the $ you've spent you coulda got 3 kits and wouldn't need to ask these questions..id say from the effects you've got in the past..id fast at least a day before,have a little oatmeal or cereal with the stones,and hope for a good buzz..altho I know little of the strains you mentioned..ones a mexican sprecies I guess?..usually more potent..hope it all goes well..

 

[rory420420]

Also..id go with oj..more acid and less sugar than pineapple.

 

[Skuxx]

If 20 grams doesn't do it then that just sucks. I don't think you should need to redose after your initial one. How come you didn't get the mexicana's again, since they worked the first time?

 

[Mr ADHD]

If 20 grams doesn't do it then that just sucks. I don't think you should need to redose after your initial one. How come you didn't get the mexicana's again, since they worked the first time?

Just expirementing with diff strains.

 

[Mr ADHD]

Dude at this point,the $ you've spent you coulda got 3 kits and wouldn't need to ask these questions..id say from the effects you've got in the past..id fast at least a day before,have a little oatmeal or cereal with the stones,and hope for a good buzz..altho I know little of the strains you mentioned..ones a mexican sprecies I guess?..usually more potent..hope it all goes well..

I've actually got a few spore syringes a month ago, but I'm waiting until we move to start growing them. We currently live in a hundred year old house that's leaky and has has mold in the basement twice, thank god we've caught it right away both times and sprayed it down with bleach. I just feel the chance for contamination id just to high here.

The Pajaritos strain is related to P. Mexicana, but a little stronger. Supposedly...

 

[canndo]

I have never found dosage to be weight related. I've given very large people about the same dose as rather petite ones and both, to me, seemed to get the same experience. I don't think that there is much weight difference between brains. I am sure Duck will correct me on this, but there are certain drugs that distribute themselves throughout the body and others that collect primarily in certain organs, and still others that tend to gravitate past the blood brain barrier. I believe that those are not weight related where it comes to dosage.

 

[canndo]

I've actually got a few spore syringes a month ago, but I'm waiting until we move to start growing them. We currently live in a hundred year old house that's leaky and has has mold in the basement twice, thank god we've caught it right away both times and sprayed it down with bleach. I just feel the chance for contamination id just to high here.

The Pajaritos strain is related to P. Mexicana, but a little stronger. Supposedly...

Ah, but you could be way wrong as well. The fact that you live in an old house may simply prompt you to take additional measures and insure your sucess. Furthermore, there is a population of "microflora" in every house. you only begin to permanently alter it when you have highly selective environments - like cooked corn, or agar for periods of time in the same place. I have found that the first few times, pretty much any house will work, it is only after you have displaced the natural spores with Trich that you begin to have a more and more difficult time.

this isn't much different than the threat of the various bugs that inhabit grow rooms. The first grow is almost usually a sucess, it is the ensuing attempts that challenge the grower, after you have already attracted the nasties.

Nothing ineherently wrong with mushroom growing in an old house.

 

[canndo]

Oh, one more thing. If you really like those truffles, and if they are not quite cracker dry, you can bring them back to life and start your own crop from them. furthermore - it is claimed that you can do the same by rehydrating your dried truffles and using them as spawn. I have never managed it but only tried a time or two, rather half heartedly at that.

 

[Skuxx]

Oh, one more thing. If you really like those truffles, and if they are not quite cracker dry, you can bring them back to life and start your own crop from them. furthermore - it is claimed that you can do the same by rehydrating your dried truffles and using them as spawn. I have never managed it but only tried a time or two, rather half heartedly at that.

Do you have a link, or info on how to do that??

 

[canndo]

Do you have a link, or info on how to do that??

No link. in short, you carve the outside of the nugget off with a sterile knife. Then you cut some bits from the center and lay them on some prepared agar. If it is viable it will grow. From there you can do as you wish with the growing mycelium.

 

[GreenSummit]

you should try growing them OP its much cheaper, my avatar is of some mexicanas i grew like 10 years ago when i was 20. from what i remember dosage was much lower than what you are mentioning. good luck

 

[Mr ADHD]

I just ordered a few sclerotia producing spore vials from Avalon. I got Mexicana, Tampanensis , and Atl #7, all in 10ml vials. I have to admit that I have always been a compulsive hobbyist and tend to stock up on supply's like this. LOL you should see my bean collection, even though I tend to just grow one or 2 strains at a time. I'm kinda like this with all my hobbies, probably why I'm divorced at 29 lol.

 

[Mr ADHD]

I have never found dosage to be weight related. I've given very large people about the same dose as rather petite ones and both, to me, seemed to get the same experience. I don't think that there is much weight difference between brains. I am sure Duck will correct me on this, but there are certain drugs that distribute themselves throughout the body and others that collect primarily in certain organs, and still others that tend to gravitate past the blood brain barrier. I believe that those are not weight related where it comes to dosage.

Thanks for the info man. I guess these mass produced for retail truffles are just not very strong. Most of the sclerotia masses in the packages are about the size of a kernel of corn, so they probably weren't grown long enough.

 

[canndo]

Thanks for the info man. I guess these mass produced for retail truffles are just not very strong. Most of the sclerotia masses in the packages are about the size of a kernel of corn, so they probably weren't grown long enough.

They are going to be the same strength regardess of their size. I recall wanting some mushrooms and having none left, ordering from the original PF site and getting their regular strain. I did all the normal things with it, but the yield was pitiful. I just left it in the dark and forgot about it. Several months later it was filled with sclerotia. I thought I had stumbled upon the holy grail - sclerotia forming cubensis! But I didn't have the facilities on hand to preserve the strain. I saved the sclerotia and tried much later to get them to grow. Soaked them till the water turned to ink and then took dozens of samples and placed them on agar - nothing.


I believe now that someone at PF swapped out strains on me, but we will never know.

 

[technical dan]

GL with the P. mex im still waiting to see good things on my plates