Fox News Fear Mongering

[ChesusRice]

Um, we are talking healthcare, not EPA. However, since you brought it up, the Governments role is to PROTECT the people, not DIRECT the people. Look, if Obama and all the lefties wanted to make sure they kept their voters happy by giving them free healthcare, then find a way to pay for it and give them their damn free welfare. For those of us who don't need/want it, we should have that choice. That's what being an American is all about, or used to be anyway.

No different than demanding those that drive carry insurance
Difference is we got a choice about driving, we dont have no choice about living or getting sick.
I have the feeling you think everyone that is using the exchanges is a minority that doesnt work
amirite?

 

[see4]

Quite the opposite to be honest.

But my bad, Buckie has so many puppets on this board it's hard to keep up.

I've seen your posts, it's obvious to most that you have trouble "keeping up."

 

[see4]

All the butt hurt progressive say that, go figure.
BTW, you're not going to start spaming with a million photo's or go racist on me are you?

No, that's my job. When you start acting like an adult, I will stop spamming you with "a million" photos. Try playing the game for a little while, see if you like it. I promise I won't bite.

 

[ginwilly]

No different than demanding those that drive carry insurance
Difference is we got a choice about driving, we dont have no choice about living or getting sick.
I have the feeling you think everyone that is using the exchanges is a minority that doesnt work
amirite?

This would be true if everyone had to have FULL coverage and had to own a car, you don't even get to use the "but car insurance" thing anymore.

 

[beenthere]

No, that's my job. When you start acting like an adult, I will stop spamming you with "a million" photos. Try playing the game for a little while, see if you like it. I promise I won't bite.

Let me ask you a question see4, who threw the first blow.

 

[beenthere]

This would be true if everyone had to have FULL coverage and had to own a car, you don't even get to use the "but car insurance" thing anymore.

There is no such law where the federal government mandates auto insurance, period.

 

[see4]

Let me ask you a question see4, who threw the first blow.

I'm not sure to be quite honest. But if it was me, I apologize.

 

[see4]

There is no such law where the federal government mandates auto insurance, period.

What does it matter if it is a federal regulation or a state regulation? It is still being forced upon you. [using your reasoning]

 

[beenthere]

What does it matter if it is a federal regulation or a state regulation? It is still being forced upon you. [using your reasoning]

Huge difference in my book.
The constitution gave states individual rights for good reason, to keep a centralized government from forming.

With state laws, people have a choice. There are a couple of states in the south where I would love to live but I couldn't put up with any kind of bible belt laws. As much as I don't like the way California is run, I make a conscious choice to live and continue running my business here until retirement.

Then I'll have another choice to make of where I'll plant my feet, the climate, cost of living and the political environment will play key rolls in my decision.

It's all about choice.

 

[beenthere]

I'm not sure to be quite honest. But if it was me, I apologize.

Let me see what's in the hand behind your back first.

 

[nitro harley]

This video pretty much speaks for itself.
I feel bad for all the old people out there being lied to by the "fair and balanced" news station(s)

[video=youtube;d3aUJm--ifs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3aUJm--ifs[/video]


And watch out, insurance companies are trying to send out letters claiming that because of the ACA that it is "mandatory" for you to switch to a different,more expensive insurance plan, when in reality, you could very well keep your old one or choose a different company/whatever plan your heart desires. Whether it costs more or not.

Like in the video above, the insurance she had VS what will be available to her did cost her more money, but actually covered her in the event of a medical situation.

Its like how car insurance is mandatory. So there are a whole bunch of people out there selling shitty insurance policies that offer minimum to no coverage for just a little less than a plan with real coverage that will protect you if you get into an accident.

With health insurance, there are companies peddling shitty products for more than theyre really worth (like any salesperson) and leaving you with 95% of the medical bill or prescription payments for paying only 25%-50% less for your "insurance" that only insures that they get their monthly payment.

Its like throwing your monthly payment into a box. Then after a couple months-years of you not being sick and all of a sudden you become sick, take that box and throw it into the fire and let it get goin good. Then try to grab as much money out of it as you can. Thats about the return you get on junk insurance.

Hey budbro...

I found out the other day messing with my radio in my truck that I have Fox News in my truck....And i have had that truck for awhile...It's like the american dream...Fair and balanced it don't get no better than that....

 

[beenthere]

Hey budbro...

I found out the other day messing with my radio in my truck that I have Fox News in my truck....And i have had that truck for awhile...It's like the american dream...Fair and balanced it don't get no better than that....

I just found out a couple of months ago that I had built in blue tooth audio in my truck, I've had the damn thing for almost three years.

My son took a ride with me down to Monterey, while we were driving he pushed about a thousand buttons on my stereo and presto, streaming music!

 

[see4]

Huge difference in my book.
The constitution gave states individual rights for good reason, to keep a centralized government from forming.

With state laws, people have a choice. There are a couple of states in the south where I would love to live but I couldn't put up with any kind of bible belt laws. As much as I don't like the way California is run, I make a conscious choice to live and continue running my business here until retirement.

Now I have another choice to make of where I'll plant my feet, the climate, cost of living and the political environment will play key rolls in my decision.

It's all about choice.

I agree with much of your points. But it's the overall theme I conflict.

Auto insurance is a fairly cut and dry system. Vehicles and their parts have a finite value and can be arbitraged. Human health however is not as cut and dry. The cost to heal a patient in Boston is a lot more than it is to heal the same patient in Phoenix, not because of cost of living, but because of the medical resources available. Arguably the best doctors are in Boston and NYC area, mostly because of the schools that surround those areas and the income those areas command as well as available external resources these doctors and technicians have at their disposal.

Blue Cross of New York is the provider I use for my company, yet I have two offices in MA and AZ. I chose Blue Cross of New York for their competitive advantage. But the stipulation in this is that I had to LLC in New York to get around some regulations, because Aetna and UnitedHealth offer shit plans for AZ and limited plans for MA. But now with Obamacare, they are forced to become more competitive because federal regulations supersede the states. (Until which time states begin to appeal) -- The idea is that Obamacare will [eventually] provide for a more competitive market for health insurance, where we see it currently not existing. Prior to Obamacare, my health insurance costs have risen year over year for the past decade. With Obamacare, we hope to see that reverse.

 

[see4]

Let me see what's in the hand behind your back first.

My lady friends always expect chocolates or flowers. But alas, nothing. I'm a man of action.

 

[Winter Woman]

I agree with much of your points. But it's the overall theme I conflict.

Auto insurance is a fairly cut and dry system. Vehicles and their parts have a finite value and can be arbitraged. Human health however is not as cut and dry. The cost to heal a patient in Boston is a lot more than it is to heal the same patient in Phoenix, not because of cost of living, but because of the medical resources available. Arguably the best doctors are in Boston and NYC area, mostly because of the schools that surround those areas and the income those areas command as well as available external resources these doctors and technicians have at their disposal.

Blue Cross of New York is the provider I use for my company, yet I have two offices in MA and AZ. I chose Blue Cross of New York for their competitive advantage. But the stipulation in this is that I had to LLC in New York to get around some regulations, because Aetna and UnitedHealth offer shit plans for AZ and limited plans for MA. But now with Obamacare, they are forced to become more competitive because federal regulations supersede the states. (Until which time states begin to appeal) -- The idea is that Obamacare will [eventually] provide for a more competitive market for health insurance, where we see it currently not existing. Prior to Obamacare, my health insurance costs have risen year over year for the past decade. With Obamacare, we hope to see that reverse.

I agree as a small business owner it seemed every year a 10 to 15% increase. Every once and a while they would throw us a bone and it would be a 5-7%. We already should have been able to bind insurance across state lines.

 

[ChesusRice]

I agree with much of your points. But it's the overall theme I conflict.

Auto insurance is a fairly cut and dry system. Vehicles and their parts have a finite value and can be arbitraged. Human health however is not as cut and dry. The cost to heal a patient in Boston is a lot more than it is to heal the same patient in Phoenix, not because of cost of living, but because of the medical resources available. Arguably the best doctors are in Boston and NYC area, mostly because of the schools that surround those areas and the income those areas command as well as available external resources these doctors and technicians have at their disposal.

Blue Cross of New York is the provider I use for my company, yet I have two offices in MA and AZ. I chose Blue Cross of New York for their competitive advantage. But the stipulation in this is that I had to LLC in New York to get around some regulations, because Aetna and UnitedHealth offer shit plans for AZ and limited plans for MA. But now with Obamacare, they are forced to become more competitive because federal regulations supersede the states. (Until which time states begin to appeal) -- The idea is that Obamacare will [eventually] provide for a more competitive market for health insurance, where we see it currently not existing. Prior to Obamacare, my health insurance costs have risen year over year for the past decade. With Obamacare, we hope to see that reverse.

The orignal intention was to set up one exchange on a federal level. The Republicans said NO it should be controlled by state
So they went with that, then The Republican states instead of setting up exchanges they left it to the Feds.
Look at the states that did set up exchanges and comply with the law. People are saving money and getting insurance

 

[beenthere]

My lady friends always expect chocolates or flowers. But alas, nothing. I'm a man of action.

Then apology excepted.

 

[beenthere]

I agree with much of your points. But it's the overall theme I conflict.

The idea is that Obamacare will [eventually] provide for a more competitive market for health insurance, where we see it currently not existing. Prior to Obamacare, my health insurance costs have risen year over year for the past decade. With Obamacare, we hope to see that reverse.

I agree as a small business owner it seemed every year a 10 to 15% increase. Every once and a while they would throw us a bone and it would be a 5-7%. We already should have been able to bind insurance across state lines.

Interesting points.

Prior to Obamacare, CA prohibited purchasing policies across state lines as well, now I'm told insurance policy coverage cannot cross county lines!

 

[see4]

Interesting points.

Prior to Obamacare, CA prohibited purchasing policies across state lines as well, now I'm told insurance policy coverage cannot cross county lines!

I would look into that and see if it is corporate policy or federal/state regulation. I suspect it will be corporate policy, but I've been known to be wrong on occasion.

 

[see4]

The orignal intention was to set up one exchange on a federal level. The Republicans said NO it should be controlled by state
So they went with that, then The Republican states instead of setting up exchanges they left it to the Feds.
Look at the states that did set up exchanges and comply with the law. People are saving money and getting insurance

I've noticed that, but I also think it's a grey area. Take my example... for example. lol.. If I were only incorporated in AZ, I suspect you would be right in that I would be forced to pay for AZ regulated insurance, but as I am incorporated in two other states, I am able to bypass that. So to you point, I think you may be right, the businesses in states that are following the federal regulation are able to freely choose insurance, where states that do not are forced into this county threshold beenthere is referring to. But Im curious, he is in California, and I thought California is participating in Obamacare, am I wrong?