Dynagro is under-rated as fuck

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Izoc666

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just seems unnecessary to me since pro-mix is full of dolomitic and calcitic limestone
IHMO, its necessary tool for novice growers, it will enable new grower to learn the process by errors and trials and it will help the grower to read plant better with EC/PPH and PH tester, once you get hang of it and you will just only read plants's needs without meters, its more for seasoned growers. Now its for some new growers its more useful guide from meters so help new growers to grow the best meds, feel me ?

Stay Medicated !
 

Imaulle

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I think 90% of problems can be fixed if people water properly. almost every issue I see is from salt build-up. we need to send out a mass APB or something to water till you get a good run off so that excess salts are flushed out, like UB says :)
 

Moldy

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Just a quick chime in... using roots organic soil and the DynaGro grow, bloom, protech, and cal mag but using about 3/4 of full strength. Have hit 1 gram per watt with 4 plants under 600 watts without difficulty. Cheap as hell too.
 

Theophilus

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It's 3:19am in the morning and I have finally read this entire thing. I hope to see it continue. I love to follow any and every discussion on the use of Dyna Gro. Very helpful. Please keep it going.
 

Steelheader3430

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Are you talking about for flowering?


And should I veg with just grow?




Also should I get the pro-tekt, homebrewer?
I'm growing 2 ak48 from nirvana. One was really sickly and just wanted to die. The other was healthy naturally. I gave the sick one foliage pro and the healthy one the grow formula both dyna-gro of course. The one that got the foliage pro has buds that are twice the girth compared to the one that got the grow formula. My experiment has convinced me FP is the way to go with bottled nutes. Everything else they got the same treatment. FFHF with mycos and azos.
 

quisqueyano

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TL;DR Used a sample of foliage pro. Plants look good. It is concentrated, has everything needed, and is now my goto veg fert. The verdict is still out for solely it in flowering.

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Based HB and UB's posts, along with some heavy reading of some horticultural journals (lots of ASHS, for non-free ones try to search the publication/paper title from the citation and you should something), I went and requested samples of both Grow and Foliage Pro.

If you read around, you'll see crops are routinely kept to progressions of target nitrogen levels (N ppms). That isn't to say P and K don't also have a progression, but N is crucial and so is the N ppms are vital. If you read up on NPK ratios, 3:1:2 will come up in a couple of places. Not saying those studies are 100% conclusive, but they do indicate 3:1:2 to be a damn good starting point.

I grow in mix/progression of beer cups, 5x5 square pots, and anywhere from 1 gallon to 3 gallon pot runs depending on how much smoke I want from whatever is being ran [note: unless hand-watering don't mix pot sizes in flower]. My media is 99% botanicare cocogro and 1% perlite that has been getting mixed in from using it as a mulch (btw, pumice works better as a mulch, if you want one). I did 2 grows with just maxibloom in coco and found it to be too lacking in N to be used as the sole fertilizer throughout flowering. I then used GH micro/bloom, which works and is customizable, but two parts will never be as simple as one and so, in the spirit of changing up fertigation, I tried Dyna-Gro's fertilizers since I already have Pro-tekt (love it -- you can feel the difference when snapping/cutting/bending branches).

I did not use the Grow in flowering as HB has already done the leg work on that. Instead, I used Foliage Pro for flowering. The plants still have 5 days to a week left but man they look great. I'm slightly worried that it is too N packed and am hoping it doesn't impact the smoke but whoever said high-N fertilizers negatively impact bud growth (or bud:leaf ratios) must have been using an unbalance fertilizer because I'm not seeing that issue here. I have kept the EC low (1.0-1.2 max, tap at 0.22EC) throughout the grow and just let the plants do their thing.

My observations on plant growth (both in veg and flower) when using FP as the main/sole fertilizer:

1. Foliage pro has everything you and your plants need in one bottle.
2. The plants love it. In my testing, they like it more than the Grow formulation (which I'm currently using on my veg plants since I ran outta FP)
3. You CAN get through flowering with just Foliage Pro. You won't lose leaves early or get yellowing during weeks 3/4 as you might with low N fertilizers (bloom nutes).
4. It did not, at least in my one run with it, seem to negatively impact bud/trichome development. I thought the aroma was lacking for a bit but then realized it was just the Vortex plants I'm running because the Bodhi Headtrips smell lovely and they get FP too.
5. It works well in coco. I keep calmag on hand just in case but really needed it.

Questions still left to be answered experimentally:
1. Foliage pro gets plants to the finish line in good/great shape, but does it get them there too nitrogen packed? Specifically, will it negatively impact the flavor/smoke?
My thinking is 40% maybe and 60% maybe not -- rational being that drying and curing is almost, if not certainly, harder than growing as impacts the end product's result greatly. Think about it... 8 weeks for a flowering period to have it all go to shit within days from too much or too quick a dry. Maybe even with a great cure it'll still taste funny. Who knows, but I'll find out in 4-5 weeks when I get to smoke this batch. Judging from what everyone else said, it should be fine, great, and a "clean" smoke.

2. Does it get plants to the finish line in the best possible shape for a given environment?
I'm thinking it doesn't. A plant's needs change throughout its life-cycle. Remember those horticultural journals with their published feeds? They didn't follow a linear progression of NPK increases, they actually changed the ratios while increasing the amounts. So while N ppms might have been kept at 100ppm and increased to 150ppm for budding/flowering, P and K could have gone from 50 ppm to 100 ppm and 100 ppm to 200 ppm, respectively. The point is a plant is an organism and that while it needs the same basic things throughout its life-cycle, it (likely) needs them in different ratios/amounts, more so than can be manipulated by simply increasing/decreasing the ml/gal. Experimentation and more importantly experience is required to confirm/debunk this one.

So.... with all that said, I just ordered 5 L Hesi Bloom (the Hesi Coco contains organic nitrogen/urea which EC meters can't read so I went with Bloom), 1 L Hesi PK13/14, and 1 gal of Foliage Pro. FP is from now on my one and only veg fertilizer. For flowering, I want to see if it can be improved (by mixing with pk 13/14 maybe) and how it compares in both growth and end results to "high quality", $$$ (given their diluted nature/usage rates), cannabis-marketed nutrients. On hand I have: GH Maxibloom, half gals of GH Micro/Bloom remaining, Epsoma Tomato-tone (granular organic fert), and a quart of Dyna-gro Grow. This season should be fun!
 

Uncle Ben

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You give a tropical foliage plant, an annual, whatever it takes to produce and maintain leaves until harvest. I've found high P foods give bud a gritty nasty taste that is hard to keep lit.

Bloom foods do NOT promote nor induce flowering. Leaves and phytochrome are responsible.

Homebrewer did an experiment comparing FP and Grow and realized the plants that received FP exclusively yielded 10% more. Plant health and color were about the same. He has an edited version at RIU, the full blown version at Riddle3m.
 

homebrewer

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Questions still left to be answered experimentally:
1. Foliage pro gets plants to the finish line in good/great shape, but does it get them there too nitrogen packed? Specifically, will it negatively impact the flavor/smoke?
My thinking is 40% maybe and 60% maybe not -- rational being that drying and curing is almost, if not certainly, harder than growing as impacts the end product's result greatly. Think about it... 8 weeks for a flowering period to have it all go to shit within days from too much or too quick a dry. Maybe even with a great cure it'll still taste funny. Who knows, but I'll find out in 4-5 weeks when I get to smoke this batch. Judging from what everyone else said, it should be fine, great, and a "clean" smoke.
If your plants by the end of flowering are 'too nitrogen packed' then you were using too much plant food. Just read the leaves and feed accordingly.

2. Does it get plants to the finish line in the best possible shape for a given environment?
I'm thinking it doesn't. A plant's needs change throughout its life-cycle. Remember those horticultural journals with their published feeds? They didn't follow a linear progression of NPK increases, they actually changed the ratios while increasing the amounts. So while N ppms might have been kept at 100ppm and increased to 150ppm for budding/flowering, P and K could have gone from 50 ppm to 100 ppm and 100 ppm to 200 ppm, respectively. The point is a plant is an organism and that while it needs the same basic things throughout its life-cycle, it (likely) needs them in different ratios/amounts, more so than can be manipulated by simply increasing/decreasing the ml/gal. Experimentation and more importantly experience is required to confirm/debunk this one.
I don't think the needs of these plants change throughout their life cycle but I do believe tweaks can be made to your feedings based on the elemental balance in the medium. True hydro can be a little different though.
 

weedemart

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I like foliage pro , its a very good tool but I prefer to use something more complete as main food, even if it's a bit more complicated to use.Anyway, I cant use foliage pro alone cuz my plant keep have deficiency in mg, so I need to add few ml of calmag... their mg/s content vs their npk content is incredibly low , at highest dosage I feed 10-15 ppm of mg with foliage pro and my water contain 4ppm....it's their leak but it's not too annoying. Note: I exclusively grow in hydro so I can't comment in soil,
 

homebrewer

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I like foliage pro , its a very good tool but I prefer to use something more complete, even if it's a bit more complicated to use.Anyway, I cant use foliage pro alone cuz my plant keep have deficiency in mg, so I need to add few ml of calmag... their mg/s content vs their npk content is incredibly low , at highest dosage I feed 10-15 ppm of mg with foliage pro and my water contain 4ppm....it's their leak but it's not too annoying.
The sulfur and magnesium needs of your plants are incredibly easy to meet so if you're seeing issues, it's not from the mineral content of foliage pro.

Below is a Kali Mist cross using only foliage pro and protekt from start to finish.

 

weedemart

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well I've grow enought long to know what's a mg deficiency.....since i'm adding calmag , they are green. I've had same issue in past with others nutrients. My PH is pretty stable at 5.8 with very few swing to 5.6-5.7 0.5% of mg is simply too low IMO, canna has 1%,every other brand contain more magnesium for a lower NPK% than dynagro.That say, It doesn't mean you'll need calmag , it depend of your water but I do ... : /
 

homebrewer

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well I've grow enought long to know what's a mg deficiency.....since i'm adding calmag , they are green. I've had same issue in past with others nutrients. My PH is pretty stable at 5.8 with very few swing to 5.6-5.7 0.5% of mg is simply too low IMO, canna has 1%,every other brand contain more magnesium for a lower NPK% than dynagro.That say, It doesn't mean you'll need calmag , it depend of your water but I do ... : /
It does depend on your water. I use RO and don't need additional calcium or magnesium.

That said, what EC are you feeding your plants when you're seeing 'issues'?
 

weedemart

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water temp is good too , I checked everything ;) Fighting with this issue since 2+ years... dont know... does chlorine affect mg uptake?! my water smell chlorine
 

homebrewer

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water temp is good too , I checked everything ;) Fighting with this issue since 2+ years... dont know... does chlorine affect mg uptake?! my water smell chlorine
Chlorine? I'm assuming you're using tap water or something other than RO. In all likelihood, your water is mucking things up.

Like I said, I start with a blank slate in regards to water and can't remember the last time I saw a true deficiency. How could I when my food is supplying all the elements?
 

weedemart

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Tap water yes. I agree with you, dynagro supply all the elements needed but it doesn't mean you have enought of each elements. Glad for you if your not having this issue. :)
 
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