Obamacare's Entire Financial Model is In Danger of Collapsing

[abandonconflict]

The promises are shared sacrifice, everyone covered, 1st step to universal healthcare....

I've states several times the promises don't match the reality. How in the world do you make the leap that I'm calling the actual law socialist?

I'd much rather keep the debate civil if you don't mind, but I can play either way.

Now who is playing word games? No, you will not get off blaming socialism for Romneycare. The promise and vision are not socialist. They are not utopian communist, they are not found in the prophecies of Marx. You are trying all you can to call the origin of the concept behind Obamacare socialist. Then you think you can excuse yourself from having to premise such an assertion by divorcing the concept behind the act from the act itself. This is exactly what you accused me of with a purely semantic argument. You can't wiggle out of the fact that Obamacare has absolutely no resemblance of anything socialist.

The promise you allude to:

The promises are shared sacrifice, everyone covered, 1st step to universal healthcare.

Which is the fact that it is called "affordable care act" is yet again not an appeal to any socialist notion but capitalist. The government wants to make sure people buy private medicine from private companies and private insurance from private insurance companies. He is ordering us to be customers for a private industry. Don't even fucking imply that is socialist, not even in its core concept.

 

[ginwilly]

Alright AC, you are going to have to provide the quote were I claim O'care is socialist or where I even mentioned Romneycare or I'm done with you and you have removed the doubt. My guess is you are thinking of one your sophomoric translations instead of reality.

It would be nice too if you prove the claim that health care used to be a public entity and it's now privatized because of O'care. You say a lot of shit just to say something, and I don't have enough time in the day to address all of your claims, but a little clarity on just this one would be nice.

What the ACA does is add another layer of bureaucracy to the private industries. It doesn't privatize medicare/medicaid. And this may come as a shocker, health care was around BEFORE medicare and medicaid.

 

[abandonconflict]

Alright AC, you are going to have to provide the quote were I claim O'care is socialist or where I even mentioned Romneycare

Here is where you convey your sentiment that Obamacare was inspired by socialism:

The promises are shared sacrifice, everyone covered, 1st step to universal healthcare.

Here is the one where you try to spin it as though private industry is benevolent:

From the inside it seems a private industry has been conscripted by government.

Here is the one where you refer to the promises and describe those promises as socialist:

The promises may have socialist utopian messages

Obamacare = Romneycare.

 

[ginwilly]

Here is where you convey your sentiment that Obamacare was inspired by socialism:


Here is the one where you try to spin it as though private industry is benevolent:


Here is the one where you refer to the promises and describe those promises as socialist:


Obamacare = Romneycare.

Is your contention now that those promises WEREN'T made? or are you saying UHC isn't socialist? Saying there has been incremental government intrusions in health care is a claim of benevolence? You should probably just punt.

I have noticed you have changed from claiming I said Obamacare is socialist to saying I claimed it was inspired by socialist ideas. One of these things is not like the other is it. I noticed you haven't backed up your falsehood or admitted to it. I think most of us expect that from you by now, surely you have a picture somewhere.

You should punt or just take the safety out of the endzone.

 

[abandonconflict]

I have noticed you have changed from claiming I said Obamacare is socialist to saying I claimed it was inspired by socialist ideas. One of these things is not like the other is it.

Actually, they are not unlike. Anything inspired by socialist ideas is socialist. You said it was inspired by socialist ideas. I said there is absolutely nothing socialist about Obamacare, not even its inspiration. So you are just completely wrong. You're wrong when you say there is any thing about Obamacare that can be described as socialist and your defense "I said it was inspired by, not that it is socialism" is also quite fallacious, since socialism is an idea. You suck at logic worse than you suck at semantics.

It was inspired by "let's make a ton more profits for the private healthcare industry". Your argument, calling it socialist in any way shape or form is not only semantic, but fallacious.

 

[ginwilly]

Actually, they are not unlike. Anything inspired by socialist ideas is socialist. You said it was inspired by socialist ideas. I said there is absolutely nothing socialist about Obamacare, not even its inspiration. So you are just completely wrong. You're wrong when you say there is any thing about Obamacare that can be described as socialist and your defense "I said it was inspired by, not that it is socialism" is also quite fallacious, since socialism is an idea. You suck at logic worse than you suck at semantics.

It was inspired by "let's make a ton more profits for the private healthcare industry". Your argument, calling it socialist in any way shape or form is not only semantic, but fallacious.

Again, I said the promises made, you said I claimed inspired, after you said I claimed the law itself was socialist. You even quoted while changing what I said, how dumb was that? Keep moving the posts, that kick will get through eventually.

You haven't denied the promises made are rooted in socialism so I'll take that to mean you agree with that and are just trolling out of some sadistic pleasure or ego. I bet you can find where I said Obamacare is not what people think and actually entrenches the system if you try but you can't find a single quote where i claim O'care is socialist.

Why are you continuing to dig this hole? Should I translate for you?

 

[abandonconflict]

You haven't denied the promises made are rooted in socialism

Actually, my argument has not changed. There is absolutely nothing about Obamacare that is socialist. Go ahead and keep moving the goalposts but check post #53.

 

[ginwilly]

Actually, my argument has not changed. There is absolutely nothing about Obamacare that is socialist. Go ahead and keep moving the goalposts but check post #53.

lol alright man, it's not like it's there for everyone to see. read 54 and 55 and I think you'll see where you went off the tracks.