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[tags420]

Facts are proof, he is not going to show you the 20k people who had failed issues with LED, but he did show you why the apache are superior to all other LED companies, thats fact and truth. ​

Exactly. Too bad he(pico) has a personal vendetta and won't see what is really being shown.

The Area 51 LEDs is the only other brand I hear good things about...May be because my teacher is Tags but who cares haha!

Not to be on your D!ck tags, but you show why things are better not just say, oh its made in USA, you show us the proof and the test etc. thank you

That is what I am doing. Showing info(since it is my thread)...then everyone can learn or interpret and make there own decisions. You have listened and see the facts behind it all. When you're ready you will be off to the best start. Plus you're already growing great...good led's will only make you better.

You must have you head buried in the ground so deep you can taste the Boron and Manganese cocktail you are getting high off of...

Please offer some info or something constructive. You don't even use china panels...probably a big reason why you built your own. I know you don't like me because I showed that your cobs are not the best, but why are you fighting real quantified information?

 

[PICOGRAV]

Oh Tags, if only you knew...

 

[tags420]

Oh Tags, if only you knew...

Once again no info or anything backing up your statements...

There is plenty that I don't know...but in led's I'm pretty well versed, yet always ready to learn more if you have something real. What specifically are you talking about...or are you just going to make another vague tags is ridiculous because he showed real info that I don't like?

 

[FuckJeffGoldbloom]

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[PICOGRAV]

Once again no info or anything backing up your statements...

There is plenty that I don't know...but in led's I'm pretty well versed, yet always ready to learn more if you have something real. What specifically are you talking about...or are you just going to make another vague tags is ridiculous because he showed real info that I don't like?

Tags, it is impossible to argue with you because your mind is already made up! I think you need to have a little more patience with me, I was never going to get involved in this until you guys started stating Apache Tech is the BEST panel manufacture, even the simple fact they use reflectors in their design goes to show how silly they are, you even admitted this your self! Don't try to pull the wool over peoples eyes for personal gain, especially in a community like this, I am hear to keep you guys honest, to give and give and I dont want anything back but I might find something useful along the way observing what other people are doing, isn't that the point? I dont care if people hate me or think I am stupid but I wont stand by and watch you lead people astray when they actually need help.

COBs are still king, Apache Tech can suck my cock.

 

[FuckJeffGoldbloom]

Nothing you ever say has fact, only opinion that is the only argument, its like dealing with a tea party republican

We are discussing things, and you react with non sense name calling etc, that is not mature, sucking cock also is not mature, unless thats what your into...


In opinion of tags apache is the best, thats it, and he provided his reasons and facts behind it, you have not offered the community any other view, just saying tags is pulling wool over peoples eyes is wack, i don't understand how that can even be muttered, he shows WHY he thinks its the best thats all we ask for. If you believe a 13 watt cfl is the best , we may disagree but if you show me WHY then i will understand your view, and have respect for it. You offer us nothing just opinion.

Nobody hates you, or thinks your stupid, we just want to show you how people have opinions and educated thoughts, and then the express them with their words. Using facts.

 

[Spiko]

Jeff what is it you think you're contributing here?

 

[HiloReign]

Seems like the only thing you give and give is other people a hard time I kid, I kid...

But please, elaborate on why COBs are king. Your claims are just as bold and you should be a little more honest with everyone considering such.

And let's keep it together gentlemen, you're currently having a pissing contest about who's toy is shinier.

 

[PICOGRAV]

Seems like the only thing you give and give is other people a hard time I kid, I kid...

But please, elaborate on why COBs are king. Your claims are just as bold and you should be a little more honest with everyone considering such.

And let's keep it together gentlemen, you're currently having a pissing contest about who's toy is shinier.

Sorry Hilo, this is not the place for my input, there are pages and pages of explanation on other threads where people are open to discussion where I have posted.

 

[PetFlora]

Guys, WTF is going on here?

You SEEM to be in a pissing contest on whose engines are best

Rest assured that the Chinese are 100% capable of great/awesome tech and execution. The problem arises when the company hiring them is a pure blood sucking capitalist, not willing to pay for quality. The irony is, it is they who give capitalism a bad name. Sort of like guns don't kill people..., people kill people

It wasn't that long ago that Hyundi/Kia (I know it's Korean) was pure crap- no mas!

People like captainmorgan have twice proven how awesome ordinary Cree A19 household bulbs can grow

There are not many people on RIU regardless of light exotica who are growing better than he

 

[FuckJeffGoldbloom]

Nah not at all Pet...

My only reason was that if you think something is good, just show why you think that not just opinion...etc

Captain is awesome much love to him.... That critical kush mainlined was amazing

We were talking specs, obviously some perform well, others worse, but it still boils to grower experience....

I dont intend to fight with anyone, that is caveman like..

I just simply want people to show why they think things are better, Someone like me who may be a newb to LED lighting takes these facts and then decides which to purchase... but i need the facts before i do so

I love how things look in ads, commercials etc... but the specs and materials is what makes a product superior

Lots of shiny toys out there, Opinion is awesome but I care what the fact sheets says, or the testing of said lighting, as the video shows

Thats all I was saying, is if you have an opinion, great, but show why and support your facts, like a lawyer would.

Much love to all, i respect each and everyone of you, never intended to sound arrogant...

Thank you

FJG

 

[hyroot]

my sunlight in my backyard will destroy all your lights.

[video=youtube_share;1X5wqw9dM5k]http://youtu.be/1X5wqw9dM5k[/video]

 

[chazbolin]

Curious...what did Jeff Goldblum ever do to you?

 

[FuckJeffGoldbloom]

[youtube]nqAMudS-QCU[/youtube]

 

[tags420]

I asked AT about the at660 price more. As usual it will be more than I thought, $2399. I tried to talk him down but the cost of production are higher than I even thought. I heard one of you was smart enough to just contacted apache and asked themselves what the new panel was going to cost. That is how I get info that I can not show/get from my own meters and research abilities.

Tags, it is impossible to argue with you because your mind is already made up! I think you need to have a little more patience with me, I was never going to get involved in this until you guys started stating Apache Tech is the BEST panel manufacture, even the simple fact they use reflectors in their design goes to show how silly they are, you even admitted this your self! Don't try to pull the wool over peoples eyes for personal gain, especially in a community like this, I am hear to keep you guys honest, to give and give and I dont want anything back but I might find something useful along the way observing what other people are doing, isn't that the point? I dont care if people hate me or think I am stupid but I wont stand by and watch you lead people astray when they actually need help.

COBs are still king, Apache Tech can suck my cock.

Still no information to back up you claims, but I'll keep playing...
They use lens, not reflectors, and I was wrong when I thought apache shouldn't use them. Most lights do not perform better without them. The light lost though the lens is worth it for the increase in focus and light delivered to the canopy. Read the link- http://area51lighting.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18

In a community like this is...you are the only one that thinks what I have been showing is somehow way off. I have been completely transparent with all the information I give on here and if someone wants/needs more and asks, I give it and anything else that I might have missed the first time. I have recommend a51 just as much if not more than apache so I am not mind washed by AT...it has to do with what light meets the performance parameters as I have said many times. A51 has better price for a really similar light to AT120...but no one has something like the at660(yet).

If not Apache or a51 as the best panel manufacture, then who and why???
COBs were never king, so if somehow you actually show me some proof, it's some big news.

Jeff what is it you think you're contributing here?

All he has done is see the info that was presented to him and make a educated decision for his stance on what we have been debating. He is obvoiusly seeing it my way, but hard to blame him when the other side(which came here to pick the argument) isn't offering up any real info on anything they say(pico mostly, not so much you spiko).
You are happy with what you have, and i'm glad it's woking for you and your old one is too. In the other thread where you said it came with metal shavings all in it and you had a slight problem with your order or something. If that panel meets you criteria then grow on man and show us what's up.

Sorry Hilo, this is not the place for my input, there are pages and pages of explanation on other threads where people are open to discussion where I have posted.

It is my thread, but all information that is sound and factually based is welcome. And even truly innocent but uneducated are welcome. But you never offer anything other than pure opinion and make as big of claims as anyone. Worse of all, that is all you do, claim, with no support behind it.

Guys, WTF is going on here?

You SEEM to be in a pissing contest on whose engines are best

Rest assured that the Chinese are 100% capable of great/awesome tech and execution. The problem arises when the company hiring them is a pure blood sucking capitalist, not willing to pay for quality. The irony is, it is they who give capitalism a bad name. Sort of like guns don't kill people..., people kill people

It wasn't that long ago that Hyundi/Kia (I know it's Korean) was pure crap- no mas!

People like captainmorgan have twice proven how awesome ordinary Cree A19 household bulbs can grow

There are not many people on RIU regardless of light exotica who are growing better than he

I have no idea what this has turned into but it's gotten messy.
Captain is killing...for good reasons other than just his great growing skills. The cree "capatin morgan™" bulbs use cree xt-e's...which I have praised on many occasions and is what I always recommend to DIY'ers and why I like what a51 is doing. Cree XT-E or Nichia 219b...the best respectively for WW and CW imo. And since cree themselves are making the bulbs, the cost are low. Those globes are a great product. You(pet) already know all that, but just for everyone who might have missed it.

 

[Spiko]

I don't recall saying I was happy with my light. I've not even had a chance to use it yet. I never implied that it was the best at anything though I do think it's a pretty good deal for what it is. Is a light that's 3 and a half times more expensive going to be 3 and a half times better? Kind of doubt it.

 

[tags420]

So you're not happy that you have it, why did you buy it??? or just want to find more to pick at.

If you can get me some par reading then I can tell you an idea of what it will truly cover and what hps it will be most similar to. Growth is directly related to the quanta being received by the plants. Weed is not some magical plant when it comes to what makes it grow, and science has quantified plant growth and the requirement pretty thoroughly. All led's other than the at660 have fallen well short on the amount of light they actually put out in comparison to hps. And I was not the one to show that, check out growershouse- http://growershouse.com/blog/category/lighting/.

My goal was/is to replace my 1000w hps's for real. And that is what the at660 does. I will be up an going soon enough, and you can just watch what I do and take it for what it is. I show all my results. I give them in the most accurate way possible and count every watt from veg through harvest. I will be watching what you do too. And will be watching with an open mind. I can be wrong and have no problem admitting it...but you have to show me first.

I have nothing more for you. I have shown you what I know and my opinions too. However you feel about lights in the end is up to you, but the info I presnted you all with is real and factual.

Good day

 

[Beefbisquit]

I don't think that's actually true. I don't think that they will be inherently failure prone just because they're chinese. LEDs are pretty sturdy regardless of where they come from.

I've been running Chinese LED's for years.... thousands of hours. No failures.

Just sayin.

 

[PICOGRAV]

I asked AT about the at660 price more. As usual it will be more than I thought, $2399. I tried to talk him down but the cost of production are higher than I even thought. I heard one of you was smart enough to just contacted apache and asked themselves what the new panel was going to cost. That is how I get info that I can not show/get from my own meters and research abilities.



Still no information to back up you claims, but I'll keep playing...
They use lens, not reflectors, and I was wrong when I thought apache shouldn't use them. Most lights do not perform better without them. The light lost though the lens is worth it for the increase in focus and light delivered to the canopy. Read the link- http://area51lighting.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18

In a community like this is...you are the only one that thinks what I have been showing is somehow way off. I have been completely transparent with all the information I give on here and if someone wants/needs more and asks, I give it and anything else that I might have missed the first time. I have recommend a51 just as much if not more than apache so I am not mind washed by AT...it has to do with what light meets the performance parameters as I have said many times. A51 has better price for a really similar light to AT120...but no one has something like the at660(yet).

If not Apache or a51 as the best panel manufacture, then who and why???
COBs were never king, so if somehow you actually show me some proof, it's some big news.


All he has done is see the info that was presented to him and make a educated decision for his stance on what we have been debating. He is obvoiusly seeing it my way, but hard to blame him when the other side(which came here to pick the argument) isn't offering up any real info on anything they say(pico mostly, not so much you spiko).
You are happy with what you have, and i'm glad it's woking for you and your old one is too. In the other thread where you said it came with metal shavings all in it and you had a slight problem with your order or something. If that panel meets you criteria then grow on man and show us what's up.


It is my thread, but all information that is sound and factually based is welcome. And even truly innocent but uneducated are welcome. But you never offer anything other than pure opinion and make as big of claims as anyone. Worse of all, that is all you do, claim, with no support behind it.



I have no idea what this has turned into but it's gotten messy.
Captain is killing...for good reasons other than just his great growing skills. The cree "capatin morgan™" bulbs use cree xt-e's...which I have praised on many occasions and is what I always recommend to DIY'ers and why I like what a51 is doing. Cree XT-E or Nichia 219b...the best respectively for WW and CW imo. And since cree themselves are making the bulbs, the cost are low. Those globes are a great product. You(pet) already know all that, but just for everyone who might have missed it.

TL;DR thanks anyway, I'm out.

 

[hyroot]

I have no idea what this has turned into but it's gotten messy.
Captain is killing...for good reasons other than just his great growing skills. The cree "capatin morgan™" bulbs use cree xt-e's...which I have praised on many occasions and is what I always recommend to DIY'ers and why I like what a51 is doing. Cree XT-E or Nichia 219b...the best respectively for WW and CW imo. And since cree themselves are making the bulbs, the cost are low. Those globes are a great product. You(pet) already know all that, but just for everyone who might have missed it.

A51 uses X-PG and X-PE. I still agree with X-TE's being better