Isolating Terpenoids / Re-introduction to finished extracts

[CellarGrows]

What are some possible methods of isolating terpens? I've been doing a lot of research about their interaction with cannabinoids and I want to re-introduce terpenoids to my finished extracts.

Does anyone have or a tech that they use or a suggestion of where to look for a good tech? I've heard mention of an "isolator" and "capsulator" but haven't come across anything convincing. Thanks!

 

[Twitch]

i dont think you will be able to add more terpenes to your extracts just try to limit the terpenes lost

 

[vacpurge]

I like to live by this rule, its helped me to do pretty good

"sometimes its not all about maximizing your profits, its about minimizing your losses." -vacpurge

 

[SaybianTv]

I'm working on the problem right now, I distilled off the monoterpenes into a hydrosol. It smells amazing, it's all the 30c range terps we loose with all our hairy purging. Problem, a hydrosol is a hydrosol for a reason. I can't figure out any way of reducing the water content to the point of getting a droplet or two back to "???baste???" the oil with. I thought of super freezing and letting the floral essence's precipitate up and out but I have a feeling this emulsion aint coming apart in any way worth chasing.
So in my case what can I do with afghan kush water that taste's amazing and smells kush to the point you want to wear it.
Make true "it should smell and taste like the flowers" edibles! I'll just freeze these into ice cubes for the water content in any cbd only or oil edibles made from the same strain. CellarGrows your not wrong for wanting them man, have you ever smelled real rose water? This is really and truly part of the medicine but she's not coming with your oil anyway I can see sustainable, but from an aroma therapy standpoint alone never mind what we havn't discovered it really does carry the vibrations of the flower's sans the plant material.

 

[SaybianTv]

Now you can distill of bud to get essential oil which you can add back to you oil, but that's not the same as reclaiming lost monoterpines from purging. So basically if you got bud to blow you can win competitions by supersizing your smell and flavor on the same strain. Awwww did I say that out loud......Yes it's called cheating by the loser's but it's really just genius alchemy so if vancouver ever had a secret cup expect ugh...... Meh nobody will read this but vac purge, and he'll probably just throw his phone with this thread on it at me while im on stage.

 

[vacpurge]

haha, thats actually kinda cool stuff, winning competitions and giving people taste overloads. im sure its possible, probably not cheap though. im close to van, do it up!

 

[SaybianTv]

It's not cheap if your impressing your buddies but to brand your extract company's oil as champion prima reserva you can find the ounce you need for flavor on the floor. I don't have time nor are extract company's legal but if you have the distillery gear it's a cakewalk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-I6M5cHyOo

 

[qwizoking]

"Ethanol , which only dissolves the fragrant low-molecular weight compounds, must be used to extract the fragrant oil from the concrete. The alcohol is removed by a second distillation, leaving behind the absolute. These extracts from plants such as jasmine and rose, are called absolutes.

Due to the low temperatures in this process, the absolute may be more faithful to the original scent of the raw material. which is subjected to high heat during the distillation process."
Wikipedia's fragrence extraction page I love wiki http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraction_(fragrance)

Using steam and distillation is not recommended with weed as it destroys what we are after, thc is a monoterpene as well. These compounds are heat sensitive and while distillation does work somewhat its not an effective method...

Its gonna be pretty tricky for the average dude to isolate different terpenes. Your going to bring along everything including cannabinoids which are all terpenes... just do a proper wash with even iso and you'll end up with good clean oil, filled with terps....then spray it all over your homegrown....or

 

[Frenchy Cannoli]

you should check up what the perfume industry is doing at that level since they work solely with terpenes. The C02 and BHO extraction equipment method you are using comes from perfume industry. I have a question for you guys, the perfume industry is using C02 and butane extraction to deal with the most volatile terpenes, so how do you manage to loose them using the same procedure and solvent??????

 

[Fadedawg]

What are some possible methods of isolating terpens? I've been doing a lot of research about their interaction with cannabinoids and I want to re-introduce terpenoids to my finished extracts.

Does anyone have or a tech that they use or a suggestion of where to look for a good tech? I've heard mention of an "isolator" and "capsulator" but haven't come across anything convincing. Thanks!

We are working it from different angles.

We use a vacuum purge to minimize losses, and end up with an extract that smells and tastes like the original material, despite losses.

Steam has been used for centuries to extract the mono and sesquiterpenes, to produce both essential oils and hydrosols. Check out The Essential Oils, Vol 1, by Guenther.

We've discussed building a steam extractor, and have visited steam extractors, and discussed joint projects, where they extract the mono and sesquiterpenes using steam, and we follow up with a solvent for the diterpene cannabinoids.

The open question, is how damaged will the diterpenes be by the heat and water from the steam.

We've visited places that simply mix what ever terpenes they desire into their extracts, which they obtain from commercial suppliers.

Kenny, at Trichome Technologies, is working on capturing the lighter terpenes in a cold trap and reintroducing them to the extract after solvent purging under vacuum. We've discussed corroborating on a project.

 

[SaybianTv]

Fade I'm steam distilling in a vac, I have my terps but there emulsified to all hell in hydrosol format, can you come up with anyway I could reduce the water to the point it demulsifies? I was thinking i have nothing to loose in trying a saline wash to push them out of the water so I can pipette them off. I thought about mixing terpenes from outside the process but I think I would be too far gone into perfumery if I didn't stick to adding back only terps collected from the plant. I don't know where the line is where it's not getting adulterated vs being super enhanced back to it's original form. I find it hard to say it should taste like it smoke when im not smoking it + all the plant material that's factoring into taste. cuban cigar ecig flavor AINT a cuban cigar.

 

[george xxx]

I have a question for you guys, the perfume industry is using C02 and butane extraction to deal with the most volatile terpenes, so how do you manage to loose them using the same procedure and solvent??????

TOUCHÉ , Frenchy !

They loose the terpenes in the same way they screw up hash while following your video. Most of these people seem to think they have a better Idea. They want to add to or subtract from the proven process because they seem to think they have a better idea. Nobody is satisified with what is proven to work. It's all a part of the quest to make everything bigger and better.

 

[Fadedawg]

Fade I'm steam distilling in a vac, I have my terps but there emulsified to all hell in hydrosol format, can you come up with anyway I could reduce the water to the point it demulsifies? I was thinking i have nothing to loose in trying a saline wash to push them out of the water so I can pipette them off. I thought about mixing terpenes from outside the process but I think I would be too far gone into perfumery if I didn't stick to adding back only terps collected from the plant. I don't know where the line is where it's not getting adulterated vs being super enhanced back to it's original form. I find it hard to say it should taste like it smoke when im not smoking it + all the plant material that's factoring into taste. cuban cigar ecig flavor AINT a cuban cigar.

I checked with one of my essential oil sources, and they remove oil from a hydrosol by adding ethanol and sticking it in a separatory funnel. The alcohol and water combine, floating the oil to the surface, or causing it to sink, depending on what it is.

 

[SaybianTv]

I checked with one of my essential oil sources, and they remove oil from a hydrosol by adding ethanol and sticking it in a separatory funnel. The alcohol and water combine, floating the oil to the surface, or causing it to sink, depending on what it is.

game on! your ass is mine mason jar of hydrosol, cant wait to get home from work

 

[Sirdabsalot462]

This is one of the better compilations I've come across, should be your bible in this capacity.

https://www.rollitup.org/medicating/641222-vapor-volumes-vlad.html

 

[SaybianTv]

This is one of the better compilations I've come across, should be your bible in this capacity.

https://www.rollitup.org/medicating/641222-vapor-volumes-vlad.html

Ugh adding 10% limonene back to the oil that's disgusting to vape, that would explain the runny nature of pure gold. They must have processed the oil to pieces so the limonene kick seemed like a good idea, limonene is non polar just try adding some shatter to 10% limonene and watch it revert to 1970's hexane oil. I'm here bashing my head against the vac trying to remove all my limonene without loosing all my terps, and there adding back in 10%..... maybe it's a typo but 10% ethanol or butane left over would also leave you with ghostbuster slime as would limonene.

Ugh stop tempting me to buy a bottle of acetic acid, I don't want a blackbelt in acetate but skipping the dangerous acid's sounds alluring to say the least. I'd have to get a wink and a nod from greywolf on that one before I go splish splashing even acetic acid around the round bottom flask's. Acetate..... that's like the absinthe of weed.

 

[Fadedawg]

Ugh adding 10% limonene back to the oil that's disgusting to vape, that would explain the runny nature of pure gold. They must have processed the oil to pieces so the limonene kick seemed like a good idea, limonene is non polar just try adding some shatter to 10% limonene and watch it revert to 1970's hexane oil. I'm here bashing my head against the vac trying to remove all my limonene without loosing all my terps, and there adding back in 10%..... maybe it's a typo but 10% ethanol or butane left over would also leave you with ghostbuster slime as would limonene.

Ugh stop tempting me to buy a bottle of acetic acid, I don't want a blackbelt in acetate but skipping the dangerous acid's sounds alluring to say the least. I'd have to get a wink and a nod from greywolf on that one before I go splish splashing even acetic acid around the round bottom flask's. Acetate..... that's like the absinthe of weed.

Acetic Anhydride actually. Acetic acid with no water.

We made another batch in Alchemy Class Saturday, which got uniform nods from the attending students.

When asked to describe their experience, they reported the following:

Fast
Instant pain relief
PTSD symptoms relieved
Not what I expected.
Color hue and brightness shift
Everything in sharper focus with higher contrast
Came on in waves
Serene
Happy but not euphoric
Extremely smooth
Mind sharply focused instead of clouded

 

[SaybianTv]

Acetic Anhydride actually. Acetic acid with no water.

We made another batch in Alchemy Class Saturday, which got uniform nods from the attending students.

When asked to describe their experience, they reported the following:

Fast
Instant pain relief
PTSD symptoms relieved
Not what I expected.
Color hue and brightness shift
Everything in sharper focus with higher contrast
Came on in waves
Serene
Happy but not euphoric
Extremely smooth
Mind sharply focused instead of clouded

Ugh your killing me, fast instant relief of suffering. Ok this subject I give in I have to take a course I don't have what it takes to acetate on my own. Stop making leveling up my alchemy game so seductive, in my world words like PTSD symptoms relieved are like half naked ladies sitting on the hood of a car.

 

[Lysemith, Lowkey]

Are you guys referring to isomerization via acetic acid?

 

[Fadedawg]

Ugh your killing me, fast instant relief of suffering. Ok this subject I give in I have to take a course I don't have what it takes to acetate on my own. Stop making leveling up my alchemy game so seductive, in my world words like PTSD symptoms relieved are like half naked ladies sitting on the hood of a car.

Hee, hee, hee.............The serene part works well for PTSD as well.