Go for it

[Johnnyorganic]

Well then, I suppose you'd have thought me "hot" back in the day, a few did,~LOL~. Not so hot anymore, gravity has done it's work, that and an extra 60-80 lbs, good living, for sure.

Good living? That is the antithesis of the downtrodden Medicineman who never had equal access to opportunity.

This is what baffles me about you, Med. You like to brag about your exploits as a highly placed drug smuggling operative in your youth. You obviously had the necessary means and cunning to be a drug trafficker. Based on your words, you were never pinched. In that era, even simple possesion meant time behind bars. That takes balls and skill. Why couldn't you apply those same talents in the legitimate marketplace?

You were not deprived of anything. You made choices like we all do.

 

[hom36rown]

ummm, good money in it maybe?

 

[ViRedd]

Nope. Typical of most of those on the left, Med is doing just fine for himself. Nice retirement, rental property, a couple of cars, nice vacation trips. Nope, Med doesn't worry about himself, he worries about "All Those Other People" who are downtrodden and in need of charity. Now, that's very admirable, however, that charity, as far as leftists are concerned, has to come at the expense of others by force. And that's the main problem I have with Med's politics. That force comes with a horrible price and it knows no end.

Med ... not dissing you ... just pointing out facts, so don't take offense.

Vi

 

[hom36rown]

I dont understand how you have problem with our taxes going to help the poor and downtrodden but youre just fine with the billions that are being spent to murder innocent Iraqis.

 

[Stoney McFried]

Gravity makes mush of us all.

Well then, I suppose you'd have thought me "hot" back in the day, a few did,~LOL~. Not so hot anymore, gravity has done it's work, that and an extra 60-80 lbs, good living, for sure.

 

[hom36rown]

I rather have my tax money go to the poor and downtrodden then blackwater and halliburton

 

[mockingbird131313]

I rather have my tax money go to the poor and downtrodden then blackwater and halliburton

The problem with government today is that our tax money is NOT going where it is supposed to go, period. Actually Blackwater and Halliburton are both pretty efficient at what they do, which is provide services in a wartorn hostile environment as we (America) engages in nation building.

NOTHING in the Constitution of the United States of America calls for nation building. Now we look for an exit strategy, but any strategy now costs more lives.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

No, you refraind from using the words (Fuck You) but the intent was the same.

Now I realize I am not the target of this rant. This underscores your attitude. However, my response is such that I must confine it to this thread.

There are losers in every economic system. Democrats do not wish to change this. Democrats simply wish to dictate who the losers are in the name of 'fairness' and 'social justice.' Libertarians are staunchly opposed to this plunder of the hardworking/successful. And Med has the unbelievable gall to label Libertarians as greedy. In truth, Med makes little distinction between Republicans and Libertarians. Claiming that permissiveness is all that separates the parties.

By dismissing Libertarians as greedy you put yourself above us in your mind, thereby permitting yourself to dismiss the party out of hand. That is your approach to everyone you disagree with. Unsubstantiated slurs are all you have in your arsenal. Can't you see why open-minded people don't take your rationale seriously?

Med, you are a blissfully ignorant moonbat. A dangerous headcase whose mind is as closed as a corroded and rusty bear trap. You are a living contradiction of Democratic Party values. You say you don't smoke weed and the vast majority of your posts emerge in the Politics forum, meaning you primarily come here to act as an outside agitator. Just like the rock-throwing troublemakers at Kent State who had absolutely no connection to the university. You come to a forum which attracts a significant population of Libertarians and sling insults and innuendo. You are what is known as a troll. A noun which, in your case, applies to a myriad of definitions.

I for one welcome your loony presence. It saves me the time and trouble of visiting a vast number of leftist blogs/websites. I don't need to research the perspective of the extremists on the left. I have Medicineman! You freely give me so much ammunition in exchange for almost no effort on my part. All I have to do is a little fact-checking. That does not mean I will stand silent in the wake of your gale-force ravings. It simply means you voluntarily do me a great service and I sincerely appreciate it. A million thanks, Medicineman!

 

[hom36rown]

ok so you can take the time to write out these huge rants against med and you expect him to reply and defend his stance, but you cant even answer a few simple questions about your own party....or are you too busy trying to bash on med all the time?

 

[bongspit]

I can never make it past the first paragraph...

 

[Johnnyorganic]

I have just been informed that Medicineman has put me on ignore. My day was mediocre until I logged onto RIU today upon returning home from work. What a superb compliment!

Learning that Med does not have the cojones to face me confirms everything I suspect about him. Hey Med, too bad your ignore option does not extend to my account. I can still read your posts and skewer your illogic anytime I want.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

ok so you can take the time to write out these huge rants against med and you expect him to reply and defend his stance, but you cant even answer a few simple questions about your own party....or are you too busy trying to bash on med all the time?

I go after Med because he is a menace.

I am fully willing to answer questions about the Libertarian Party. But you must meet me halfway and educate yourself first. I am not a grade school teacher. Information is abundant everywhere about the Libertarians. GOOGLE for god's sake! If you expect me to answer biased questions based in ignorance of the basic party principles, you are less intelligent than I thought.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

I can never make it past the first paragraph...

Kindergardeners can't make it past the first paragraph of adult composition either.

 

[hom36rown]

2.0 Economic Liberty
A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.

Ok, sounds to me like the FDA obivously doesnt fit in here, as the FDA controls what you can put on the market based on safety and efficacy...so libertarians are against the FDA am I right?

 

[ViRedd]

I have just been informed that Medicineman has put me on ignore. My day was mediocre until I logged onto RIU today upon returning home from work. What a superb compliment! quote]

If you were the editor/publisher of a conservative/libertarian campus newspaper, Med would steal all of your publications and set them on fire. If you were a conservative/libertarian speaker standing at the dias on campus, Med would throw a pie in your face. If you were a conservative/libertarian debating politics on CNN, Med would be shouting you down in an effort to stifle your opinions. If you were a very successful business executive, Med would tax you into the next world.

They are all the same, these totalitarians.

Vi

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[Seamaiden]

2.0 Economic Liberty
A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.

Ok, sounds to me like the FDA obivously doesnt fit in here, as the FDA controls what you can put on the market based on safety and efficacy...so libertarians are against the FDA am I right?

Not necessarily. Many people, Libertarians included, make the erroneous presumption that there is no place for governmental intervention of this form or type. Unfortunately, the FDA does not do quite what many people assume it does -- assure that a given product is effective, which is not really the case.

The FDA assures at the least, when it gives its "approval", that the product will not harm you, or has not (yet) been found to harm you. I will give you cold laser therapy as an example of a product that has at best anecdotal evidence of efficacy, yet, as far as science is concerned, is a hoax. Yet, it is FDA approved. Herbal supplements are another product that is often not FDA approved.

With me so far?

The divide in the "dogma", between many Libs as far as I see it, comes with the role of a given government agency or bureaucracy, not just the question of its existence. The FDA can have a role, but it should be better understood at the very least, wouldn't you agree?

The paradigm allows for the people, and this is key, to first agree on such an agency, then decide how it shall be run. At least, that's my take on it. Because, as we all know, there is indeed a place for government, it's just that there have to be limits.

 

[hom36rown]

Thanks for your reply johnnyO had a somewhat different answer but I think I like your thinking better

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Ok, sounds to me like the FDA obivously doesnt fit in here, as the FDA controls what you can put on the market based on safety and efficacy...so libertarians are against the FDA am I right?

That is a correct assumption as far as I can tell. When in doubt, follow the Constitution. In this case, the 10th Amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

That means that such regulation would be the responsibility of each state unless specifically granted to the federal government constitutionally.

 

[bongspit]

Kindergardeners can't make it past the first paragraph of adult composition either.

maybe that's it.......

 

[Johnnyorganic]

It just seems that this site is filled with these fantasy characters, and I may add character assassins.

How convenient for you that you seem to believe that any dissent be derived strictly from personal animus rather than salient points. You get to take a cheap shot and defend your ridiculous position at the same time. Bravo! Classic Freudian projection spewing from the old accuser. Med, you are the chief character assassin on RIU. One has to possess character in order to be the victim of a character assassin. You have no admirable character to speak of. You are a character, but you possess zero character. I find you to be vile, dishonest, disingenuous and spiteful. In fact, you are a steaming and putrid sack of warm bullshit. Your hateful and oafish demeanor demands a response and makes you a mighty tempting target for the pit bulls. And you get the response you scream for with every zany rant.

When one's adversary fires a shot across one's bow. A combatant has three options: 1) Surrender and be captured, 2) Evasion in an attempt to escape, or 3) Turn and fight.

Meddie was accustomed to Option Three for a long time here thanks to the indulgence of the forum as a whole. Those days are over because Meddie's weapons of choice have been rendered useless on 'assholes' like Vi and JohnnyOrganic, thus Option Three is no longer viable. Under the current situation: Option One = Defeat and capture; Option Two = A chance of escape, but an equal chance to be defeated by capture or combat loss; and finally, Option Three = Risk defeat/capture by combat loss.

It doesn't look good for old Medicineman. More often than not, Meddie chooses Option Two. His circles get smaller and smaller every time he swims in shark infested waters because his own weapons wound him. It's his blood the sharks smell in the water. Now he's out of options when he presents a target of opportunity. He is very wise to put me on ignore. Option Two is all he has left as a viable strategy. From my strategic perspective, it's called containment.