less regs = booming buisness

and personal responsibility is taking a back seat to political tunnel vision, what a sad day, and what a stupid place . . . . no wonder finshaggy is the way he is . . . texas......
 
Not ALL regulations, just the EPA ones. You should try listening to your own links that you put up, you know? So you don't look like such a tool.
 
brotherjericho said:
Do you often have your own thoughts? At least source your material.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/w...what/-/1735978/19885484/-/f1lyye/-/index.html
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Would it matter if I sourced it or used my own words. You wouldnt believe it anyways. Sort of like bible thumpers and their belief the earth is 6ooo years old

Local 2 Investigates obtained seven years worth of these reports filed by West with the state. The reports show West never reported it was storing ammonium nitrate at the plant until 2012. That report showed it was certified by a plant official in February of 2013 and indicated West was storing 270 tons, or 540,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate in "Container Type: R." According to state codes of container types "R" is the designation for "other."
 
Samwell Seed Well said:
so you know how the plant went kablooey? now i ask this cause you say obviously they couldn't stop it? im wondering how you know it was unavoidable, so obviously
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Big, out of control, but contained fire, letting it burn out....and proscribed, un-reported, seriously over-stocked, un-inspected and on false manifest, giant loads of kablooey, seems to me...
 
thats what i thought , assumptions triumphing over logic . . . . . .. .keep it up you two

untill they figure out why it was so out of control and big and on fire, assumptions do little more that show dubois intelligence of those trying ignore what may or may not be the culprit, but of course if nothing severely negligent lead to it, you will claim to have known it all along as your assertion for your assumptions . . . .aka super chump
 
Does it matter what the cause was? 7 regulatory orgs and they still failed to catch anything. Yet you still blame Texas as being too soft on business regulations, hence being at fault for not stopping the explosion. If it wasn't for Bush though it wouldn't have happened right?. Your leftie logic is super dumb.

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lifegoesonbrah said:
Does it matter what the cause was? 7 regulatory orgs and they still failed to catch anything. Yet you still blame Texas as being too soft on business regulations, hence being at fault for not stopping the explosion. If it wasn't for Bush though it wouldn't have happened right?. Your leftie logic is super dumb.
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Well now see this is TEXAS Ron Pauls closest state of Ideal Libertarianism. Where companys self report. And the greater good of the community is enhanced.

OH WAIT A Second!
Looks like this deregulated thing doesnt work when a comapany doesnt even self report like the good corporate entity they claim to be and a bunch of people end up dying

Maybe you should give your Ron Paul Libertarian stances a second look. Doesn't seem to work in the real world now does it?

And lets get Back to BUSH.
During the Bush administration OSHA went from Pro active to a system of self reporting and compliance. And every Republican endeavour in congress since then has sought to and successfully cut the budgets of regulatory agencys. Ever heard of starve the goverment? That's Newt Gingrich's term for defunding agencys like OSHA, DOE and the EPA all so big business can blow shit up unimpeded by pesky regulations that say if you have more than 400 pounds of ammonium nitrate you need to let people know, So a bunch of first responders dont end up fucking blown to shit.

Now who is the retard.

You Are.
 
ChesusRice said:
Well now see this is TEXAS Ron Pauls closest state of Ideal Libertarianism. Where companys self report. And the greater good of the community is enhanced.

OH WAIT A Second!
Looks like this deregulated thing doesnt work when a comapany doesnt even self report like the good corporate entity they claim to be and a bunch of people end up dying

Maybe you should give your Ron Paul Libertarian stances a second look. Doesn't seem to work in the real world now does it?
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Ask Billy Clinton if deregulation work...
 
ChesusRice said:
Well now see this is TEXAS Ron Pauls closest state of Ideal Libertarianism. Where companys self report. And the greater good of the community is enhanced.

OH WAIT A Second!
Looks like this deregulated thing doesnt work when a comapany doesnt even self report like the good corporate entity they claim to be and a bunch of people end up dying

Maybe you should give your Ron Paul Libertarian stances a second look. Doesn't seem to work in the real world now does it?

And lets get Back to BUSH.
During the Bush administration OSHA went from Pro active to a system of self reporting and compliance. And every Republican endeavour in congress since then has sought to and successfully cut the budgets of regulatory agencys. Ever heard of starve the goverment? That's Newt Gingrich's term for defunding agencys like OSHA, DOE and the EPA all so big business can blow shit up unimpeded by pesky regulations that say if you have more than 400 pounds of ammonium nitrate you need to let people know, So a bunch of first responders dont end up fucking blown to shit.

Now who is the retard.

You Are.
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Logically, it is silly. Owners of factories generally don't want their factories to blow up and will take the necessary precautions. Accidents do happen and not only in Texas. Your OSHA argument is irrelevant since your retarded thread is attempting to blame the state for the incident. This incident is a fine example of safety regulations failing, even though there was numerous agencies responsible for oversight besides OSHA there was still an accident. This is a fine example of failed liberal logic, more rules = perfect safety. You don't consider the negative effects of over-regulation, if anything ever goes wrong ever it must be because we don't have enough laws.
 
[h=2]Defense industry[/h]
  • December 6, 1917: Halifax explosion. A ship loaded with about 9000 tons of high explosives destined for France caught fire as a result of a collision in Halifax harbour, and exploded. The most powerful explosion in world history before the first atomic bomb test in New Mexico. Killed about 2000, injured about 9000.
  • July 17, 1944: Port Chicago Disaster. A munitions explosion that killed 320 people occurred at the Port Chicago Naval Magazine in Port Chicago, California.
  • August 9, 1965: Little Rock AFB in Searcy, Arkansas. 53 contract workers were killed during a fire at a Titan missile silo. The cause of the fire was determined to be a welding rod damaging a hydraulic hose allowing hydraulic vapors to leak and spread throughout the silo, which were then ignited by an open flame source.
  • July 11, 2011: Evangelos Florakis Naval Base explosion Cyprus. A munitions dump explosion. 13 people were killed; among them the captain of the base, twin brothers that were serving there as marines, and four firefighters that went there to help.
[h=2][edit]Energy industry[/h]
  • May 1962: The Centralia, Pennsylvania coal mine fire began, forcing the gradual evacuation of the Centralia borough. The fire continues to burn in the abandoned borough in 2012, 50 years later.
  • March 1967: The Torrey Canyon supertanker was shipwrecked off the west coast of Cornwall, England, causing an environmental disaster. This was the first major oil spill at sea.
  • August, 1975: The Banqiao Dam flooded in the Henan Province of China due to extraordinarily heavy rains and poor construction quality of the dam, which was built during Great Leap Forward. The flood immediately killed over 100,000 people, and another 150,000 died of subsequent epidemic diseases and famine, bringing the total death toll to around 250,000—making it the worst technical disaster ever.
  • March 16, 1978: The Amoco Cadiz, an VLCC owned by the company Amoco (now merged with BP) sank near the Northwest coasts of France, resulting in the spilling of 68,684,000 US Gallons of crude oil (1,635,000 barrels). This is the largest oil spill of its kind (spill from an oil tanker) in history.
  • March 28, 1979: Three Mile Island accident. Partial nuclear meltdown. Mechanical failures in the non-nuclear secondary system, followed by a stuck-open pilot-operated relief valve (PORV) in the primary system, allowed large amounts of reactor coolant to escape. Plant operators initially failed to recognize the loss of coolant, resulting in a partial meltdown. The reactor was brought under control but not before up to 481 PBq (13 million curies) of radioactive gases were released into the atmosphere.[SUP][1][/SUP]
  • June 3, 1979: Ixtoc I oil spill. The Ixtoc I exploratory oil well suffered a blowout resulting in the third largest oil spill and the second largest accidental spill in history.
  • November 20, 1980: A Texaco oil rig drilled into a salt mine transforming the Lake Peigneur, a freshwater lake before the accident, into a salt water lake.
  • February 15, 1982: The mobile offshore oil rig Ocean Ranger is struck by a rogue wave off the coast of Newfoundland, Canada and sinks with the loss of all 84 crew.
  • July 23, 1984: Romeoville, Illinois, Union Oil refinery explosion killed 19 people.
  • November 19, 1984: San Juanico Disaster, an explosion at a liquid petroleum gas tank farm killed hundreds and injured thousands in San Juanico, Mexico.
  • April 26, 1986: Chernobyl disaster. At the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Prypiat, Ukraine a test on reactor number four goes out of control, resulting in a nuclear meltdown. The ensuing steam explosion and fire killed up to 50 people with estimates that there may be between 4,000 and several hundred thousand additional cancer deaths over time. Fallout could be detected as far away as Canada. The Chernobyl Exclusion Zone, covering portions of Belarus and Ukraine surrounding Prypiat, remains contaminated and mostly uninhabited. Prypiat itself was totally evacuated and remains as a ghost town.
  • May 5, 1988: Norco, Louisiana, Shell Oil refinery explosion after hydrocarbon gas escaped from a corroded pipe in a catalytic cracker and was ignited. Louisiana state police evacuated 2,800 residents from nearby neighborhoods. Seven workers were killed and 42 injured. The total cost arising from the Norco blast is estimated at US$ 706 million.
  • July 6, 1988: Piper Alpha disaster. An explosion and resulting fire on a North Sea oil production platform kills 167 men. Total insured loss is about US$ 3.4 billion. To date it is rated as the world's worst offshore oil disaster in terms both of lives lost and impact to industry.
  • March 24, 1989: Exxon Valdez oil spill. The Exxon Valdez, an oil tanker bound for Long Beach, California, hits Prince William Sound's Bligh Reef dumping an estimated minimum 10.8 million US gallons (40.9 million litres, or 250,000 barrels) ofcrude oil into the sea. It is considered to be one of the most devastating human-caused environmental disasters ever to occur in history.[SUP][2][/SUP] 100,000 to as many as 250,000 seabirds died as well as at least 2,800 sea otters, approximately 12 river otters, 300 harbor seals, 247 bald eagles, and 22 orcas, and billions of salmon and herring eggs were destroyed.[SUP][3][/SUP] Overall reductions in population have been seen in various ocean animals, including stunted growth in pink salmon populations.[SUP][4][/SUP]Sea otters and ducks also showed higher death rate in following years, partially because they ingested prey from contaminated soil and from ingestion of oil residues on hair due to grooming.[SUP][5][/SUP] The effects of the spill continue to be felt 20 years later.
  • March 23, 2005: Texas City Refinery explosion. An explosion occurred at a BP refinery in Texas City, Texas. It is the third largest refinery in the United States and one of the largest in the world, processing 433,000 barrels of crude oil per day and accounting for 3% of that nation's gasoline supply. Over 100 were injured, and 15 were confirmed dead, including employees of the Fluor Corporation as well as BP. BP has since accepted that its employees contributed to the accident. Several level indicators failed, leading to overfilling of a knock out drum, and light hydrocarbons concentrated at ground level throughout the area. A nearby running diesel truck set off the explosion.
  • December 11, 2005: Hertfordshire Oil Storage Terminal fire. A series of explosions at the Buncefield oil storage depot, described as the largest peacetime explosion in Europe, devastated the terminal and many surrounding properties. There were no fatalities. Total damages have been forecast as £750 million.

  • February 7, 2010: 2010 Connecticut power plant explosion. A large explosion occurred at a Kleen Energy Systems 620-megawatt, Siemens combined cycle gas- and oil- fired power plant in Middletown, Connecticut, United States. Preliminary reports attributed the cause of the explosion to a test of the plant's energy systems.[SUP][6][/SUP] The plant was still under construction and scheduled to start supplying energy in June 2010.[SUP][7][/SUP] The number of injuries was eventually established to be 27.[SUP][8][/SUP]Five people died in the explosion.[SUP][9][/SUP]
  • April 20, 2010: Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. 11 oil platform workers died in an explosion and fire that resulted in a massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, considered the largest offshore spill in U.S. history.[SUP][10][/SUP]
  • March 2011: Fukushima I nuclear accidents in Japan. Regarded as the largest nuclear disaster since the Chernobyl disaster, there were no direct deaths but a few of the plant's workers were severely injured or killed by the disaster conditions resulting from the earthquake.
  • October 29, 2012: Hurricane Sandy caused a ConEdison power plant to explode, causing a blackout in most of Midtown Manhattan. The blue light emitted from the arc made places as far as Brooklyn glow. No person was killed or injured.
[h=2][edit]Food industry[/h]
[h=2][edit]Manufacturing industry[/h]
[h=2][edit]Mining industry[/h]See mining accident for more.

  • March 10, 1906: Courrières mine disaster in Courrières, France. 1,099 workers died, including children, in the worst mine accident in Europe.
  • October 14, 1913: Senghenydd Colliery Disaster, the worst Mining accident in the United Kingdom, 439 workers died.
  • April 26, 1942: Benxihu Colliery disaster in Benxi, Liaoning, China. 1,549 workers died, in the worst coal mine accident ever in the world.
  • May 28, 1965: Dhanbad coal mine disaster took place in Jharkhand, India, killing over 300 miners.
  • October 21, 1966: Aberfan disaster was a catastrophic collapse of a colliery spoil-tip that occurred in the Welsh village of Aberfan, killing 116 children and 28 adults.
  • July 19, 1985: Val di Stava dam collapse took place in the village of Stava, near Tesero, Italy, when two tailings dams used for sedimenting the mud from the nearby Prestavel mine, failed. It resulted in one of Italy's worst disasters, killing 268 people, destroying 63 buildings and demolishing eight bridges.
Val di Stava dam collapse

  • May 9, 1993: Nambija mine disaster, Nambija, Ecuador. Approximately 300 people were killed in a land slide
  • January 30, 2000: Baia Mare cyanide spill took place in Baia Mare, Romania. The accident, called the worst environmental disaster in Europe since Chernobyl, was a release of 100,000 tons of cyanide contaminated water by an Aurul mining company due to reservoir broke into the rivers Someş, Tisza and Danube. Although no human fatalities were reported, the leak killed up to 80% of aquatic life of some of the affected rivers.
  • November 19, 2010: Pike River Coal Mine Disaster in New Zealand. at 3:45pm, the mine exploded. Twenty-nine men underground died immediately, or shortly afterwards, from the blast or from the toxic atmosphere. Two men in the stone drift, some distance from the mine workings, managed to escape. (Extract from Royal Commission of Enquiry Report on Pike River.)
[h=2][edit]Other industrial disasters[/h]
  • January 20, 1909: Chicago Crib Disaster. During the construction of a water intake tunnel for the city of Chicago, a fire broke out on a temporary water crib used to access an intermediate point along the tunnel. The fire began in the dynamite magazine and burned the wooden dormitory that housed the tunnel workers. 46 workers survived the fire by jumping into the lake and climbing onto ice floes or the spoil heap near the crib. 29 men were burned beyond recognition, and approximately 60 men died. Most of the remainder drowned or froze to death in the lake and were not recovered.[SUP][14][/SUP][SUP][15][/SUP][SUP][16][/SUP]
  • September 21, 1921: Oppau explosion in Germany. Occurred when a tower silo storing 4,500 tonnes of a mixture of ammonium sulfate and ammonium nitrate fertilizer exploded at a BASF plant in Oppau, now part of Ludwigshafen, Germany, killing 500–600 people and injuring about 2,000 more.
  • 1932-1968: The Minamata disaster was caused by the dumping of mercury compounds in Minamata Bay, Japan. The Chisso Corporation, a fertilizer and later petrochemical company, was found responsible for polluting the bay for 37 years. It is estimated that over 3,000 people suffered various deformities, severe mercury poisoning symptoms or death from what became known as Minamata disease.
  • April 16, 1947: Texas City Disaster, Texas. At 9:15 AM an explosion occurred aboard a docked ship named the Grandcamp. The explosion, and subsequent fires and explosions, is referred to as the worst industrial disaster in America. A minimum of 578 people lost their lives and another 3,500 were injured as the blast shattered windows from as far away as 25 mi (40 km). Large steel pieces were thrown more than a mile from the dock. The origin of the explosion was fire in the cargo on board the ship. Detonation of 3,200 tons of ammonium nitrate fertilizer aboard the Grandcamp led to further explosions and fires. The fertilizer shipment was to aid the struggling farmers of Europe recovering from World War II.
  • 1948: A chemical tank wagon explosion within the BASF's Ludwigshafen, Germany site caused 207 fatalities.
  • February 3, 1971: The Thiokol-Woodbine Explosion at a Thiokol chemical plant in Georgia killed 29 people and seriously injured 50.
  • June 1, 1974: Flixborough disaster, England. An explosion at a chemical plant near the village of Flixborough killed 28 people and seriously injured another 36.
  • July 10, 1976: Seveso disaster, in Seveso, Italy, in a small chemical manufacturing plant of ICMESA. Due to the release of dioxins into the atmosphere and throughout a large section of the Lombard Plain, 3,000 pets and farm animals died and, later, 70,000 animals were slaughtered to prevent dioxins from entering the food chain. In addition, 193 people in the affected areas suffered from chloracne and other symptoms. The disaster lead to the Seveso Directive, which was issued by theEuropean Community and imposed much harsher industrial regulations.
  • April 27, 1978: Willow Island disaster. A cooling tower for a power plant under construction in Willow Island, West Virginia collapsed, killing 51 construction workers. The cause was attributed to placing loads on recently poured concrete before it had cured sufficiently to withstand the loads. It is thought to be the largest construction accident in United States history.[SUP][17][/SUP]
  • September and October, 1982: The so-called Chicago Tylenol murders occurred when seven people died after taking pain-relief medicine medicine capsules that had been poisoned. The poisonings took place in late 1982 in the Chicago area of the United States and involved Extra-Strength Tylenol capsules, manufactured by McNeil Consumer Healthcare, which had been laced with potassium cyanide.[SUP][18][/SUP] The incidents led to reforms in the packaging of over-the-counter substances and to federal anti-tampering laws. The case remains unsolved and no suspects have been charged. A $100,000 reward, offered by Johnson & Johnson, McNeil's parent company, for the capture and conviction of the "Tylenol Killer", has never been claimed.
  • December 3, 1984: The Bhopal disaster in India is one of the largest industrial disasters on record. A runaway reaction in a tank containing poisonous methyl isocyanate caused the pressure relief system to vent large amounts to the atmosphere at a Union Carbide India Limited plant. Estimates of its death toll range from 4,000 to 20,000. The disaster caused the region's human and animal populations severe health problems to the present.
  • November 1, 1986: The Sandoz disaster in Schweizerhalle, Switzerland, releasing tons of toxic agrochemicals into the Rhine.
  • May 4, 1988: PEPCON disaster in Henderson, Nevada. Massive explosion at a chemical plant killed 2 people.
  • June 28, 1988: Auburn, Indiana, improper mixing of chemicals killed four workers at a local metal-plating plant in the worst confined-space industrial accident in U.S. history; a fifth victim died two days later.[SUP][19][/SUP]
  • October 23, 1989: Phillips Disaster. Explosion and fire killed 23 and injured 314 in Pasadena, Texas. Registered 3.5 on the Richter scale.
  • May 1, 1991: Sterlington, Louisiana. An explosion at the IMC operated Angus Chemical Nitro-paraffin Plant Sterlington, Louisiana killed 8 workers and injured 120 other people. There was severe damage to the surrounding community. The blasts were heard more than 8 miles away.
  • September 21, 2001: Toulouse, France. An explosion at the AZF fertilizer factory killed 29 and injured 2,500. Extensive structural damage to nearby neighbourhoods.
  • October 4, 2010: Alumina plant accident. Ajka, Kolontár, Devecser and several other settlements, Hungary. The dam of Magyar Aluminium Zrt.'s red mud reservoir broke and the escaping highly toxic and alkaline (~pH 13) sludge flooded several settlements. There were nine victims including a young girl and hundreds of injuries (mostly chemical burns).
  • November 8, 2012: Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 2 people died and 17 injured in an industrial processing plant belonging to Neptune Technologies & Bioressources, a manufacturer of health care products.
  • April 17, 2013: Fertiziler plant explosion in West, Texas, an explosion occurred at the West Fertilizer Company storage and distribution facility in West, Texas, 18 miles (29 km) north of Waco while emergency services personnel were responding to a fire at the facility. At least 14 people were killed, more than 160 were injured and more than 150 buildings were damaged or destroyed.
 


    • January 15, 1919: The Boston Molasses Disaster. A large molasses tank burst and a wave of molasses rushed through the streets at an estimated 35 mph (56 km/h), killing 21 and injuring 150. The event has entered local folklore, and residents claim that on a hot summer day, the area still smells of molasses.



I lawled a little.
 
Texas is in second place per GDP it's evident what they're doing is working. Now the question is, do accidents happen or regulations get ignored in all 50 states? oil spills, explosions, fires, electrocution, and drowning happen everywhere everyday so what's the plan staff one person to watch one person everyday all day? derp derp This is a libtard drool thread if I have ever seen one.
 
Samwell Seed Well said:
so you know how the plant went kablooey? now i ask this cause you say obviously they couldn't stop it? im wondering how you know it was unavoidable, so obviously
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If the inspectors had inspected, do you think they would have said anything about the 120 tons of explosive material just laying around? NAAAAAAWWWWW, OF COURSE NOT!!!
 
lifegoesonbrah said:
Does it matter what the cause was? 7 regulatory orgs and they still failed to catch anything. Yet you still blame Texas as being too soft on business regulations, hence being at fault for not stopping the explosion. If it wasn't for Bush though it wouldn't have happened right?. Your leftie logic is super dumb.

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first of all , your first two sentences pretty much sums up my point, mixed in with your third point its pretty much check mate(as they are soft on regulations and implementation of policy of less regulations aint preventing this from happening and texans are responsible for that as they live there and maintain the facility . . Duh), I dont blame the whole state, and geographical location of the incident, i blame their policies, dont make your fallacy mine buddy, an individual is responsible for the states interest and as he disreguards the effect of his policies it becomes his neglect aka problem, now texans being a product of their own system is only the icing on the cake , de regulating, succession wannabe hicks . . . . . . .. deal with it
 
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