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MtRainDog

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moving forward. Do any of you think that artificial intelligence has surpassed human intelligence.
It never will. Humans have intuition. Humans use far more than words to communicate (facial and body language queues, voice inflection, slang words, analogies and metaphors). AI might know that some analogy is equal to some other phrase, but it will never understand why. Those are things you will never be able to teach a computer.
 

Blutri

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Imo you aint a breeder if you aint using at least some of your own clones. then everyones working and rehashing the same stuff over and over theres no real improvement to the genepool
@conor c You definitely hit the nail on the head with that one.
When someone is handed a clone, genetically they have no idea of what they are working with. Therefore the clone owner will spend the next few years doing trial and error breedings just to see what the clone is capable of producing. By the time a breeder figures out that the clone isn’t capable of producing what they are looking for, they would have invested more in resources than that clone was worth.

Ouch is right. Especially when the most important question of the cannabis industry is, “has your plant’s genetics produced anything good as, or better than the original plant?” To coincide with that, if the original plant that the line is based on, isn’t better than what’s readily available, then all the time spent working those genetics, is time wasted. Because of what you said brother, there was no improvement within the line.

as far as the strangeness is concerned, most of us have seen something that is beyond our understanding. With that said, I have spent a lifetime trying to figure out what is going on. Yes I have theories, but what I don’t have is tangible evidence. Even when physical evidence is provided, it’s still hard to prove it’s legitimate because these events happen so quickly, that they are rarely captured on video. To worsen matters, the capabilities of photo and video editing software make it even harder to know if any photo evidence is legitimate.

I want everyone to feel what I’m about to say. A few months ago, a federal truck that was outfitted with cameras, filmed a tall, dark colored, man-like creature crossing a 2 lane road in a single step. The creature didn’t seem to be in a panic and nor was it running.

From about 30 yards, it looked as tall as the truck that was being driven. Which is 14 ft tall. So we know the creature had to be much taller than it appeared.

A phone call was made so that the video could be pulled. There was an office filled with people, who saw the video. I requested that a photo be taken of the screen. As expected, the video was deemed company property, therefore no photos of it was allowed to be taken.

First you have to understand the value of such a photo. But for some reason, this nothing related to this video has been released to the public. Who wouldn’t want to make that easy money.

Last week, the dogs are cutting up. I don’t see anything so “bravely” I decide to go out side. Once outside, I could hear coyotes cutting up about about a mile away. The next morning, I explain to my wife that it’s not normal for coyotes to be that close to the house when it is not raining and the bottoms aren’t flooded. So we know that something must have driven them out of the bottoms.

What’s even stranger. One day my neighbor says to me that we sure have accumulated a lot of stray dogs lately. Because people will dump them at the edge of the woods where we live. There was about 5 of them in our areas. Within a couple of months, every one of them are gone. And I didn’t hear a single gunshot.

what I did hear was a strange howling sound that was loud enough to waken me from my sleep. It sound a lot like an owl, but much deeper and of a much longer duration than what an owl is capable of.
I hear my dog cutting up as if something has gotten way too close. I also hear all the kenneled as well as the chained dogs within the neighborhood cutting up.

ok something is out there. A bear perhaps because some neighbors have reported seeing one. However I don’t think it’s a bear since it has a taste for dog meat. Whatever it is, it comes around every few years. Thats when all the animals, such as deer, rabbits, dogs, cats, and goats and cows will either be missing, or come up dead with their guts eaten out of them. So tell me if you know of any bears that are practicing that behavior.
 

conor c

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@conor c You definitely hit the nail on the head with that one.
When someone is handed a clone, genetically they have no idea of what they are working with. Therefore the clone owner will spend the next few years doing trial and error breedings just to see what the clone is capable of producing. By the time a breeder figures out that the clone isn’t capable of producing what they are looking for, they would have invested more in resources than that clone was worth.

Ouch is right. Especially when the most important question of the cannabis industry is, “has your plant’s genetics produced anything good as, or better than the original plant?” To coincide with that, if the original plant that the line is based on, isn’t better than what’s readily available, then all the time spent working those genetics, is time wasted. Because of what you said brother, there was no improvement within the line.

as far as the strangeness is concerned, most of us have seen something that is beyond our understanding. With that said, I have spent a lifetime trying to figure out what is going on. Yes I have theories, but what I don’t have is tangible evidence. Even when physical evidence is provided, it’s still hard to prove it’s legitimate because these events happen so quickly, that they are rarely captured on video. To worsen matters, the capabilities of photo and video editing software make it even harder to know if any photo evidence is legitimate.

I want everyone to feel what I’m about to say. A few months ago, a federal truck that was outfitted with cameras, filmed a tall, dark colored, man-like creature crossing a 2 lane road in a single step. The creature didn’t seem to be in a panic and nor was it running.

From about 30 yards, it looked as tall as the truck that was being driven. Which is 14 ft tall. So we know the creature had to be much taller than it appeared.

A phone call was made so that the video could be pulled. There was an office filled with people, who saw the video. I requested that a photo be taken of the screen. As expected, the video was deemed company property, therefore no photos of it was allowed to be taken.

First you have to understand the value of such a photo. But for some reason, this nothing related to this video has been released to the public. Who wouldn’t want to make that easy money.

Last week, the dogs are cutting up. I don’t see anything so “bravely” I decide to go out side. Once outside, I could hear coyotes cutting up about about a mile away. The next morning, I explain to my wife that it’s not normal for coyotes to be that close to the house when it is not raining and the bottoms aren’t flooded. So we know that something must have driven them out of the bottoms.

What’s even stranger. One day my neighbor says to me that we sure have accumulated a lot of stray dogs lately. Because people will dump them at the edge of the woods where we live. There was about 5 of them in our areas. Within a couple of months, every one of them are gone. And I didn’t hear a single gunshot.

what I did hear was a strange howling sound that was loud enough to waken me from my sleep. It sound a lot like an owl, but much deeper and of a much longer duration than what an owl is capable of.
I hear my dog cutting up as if something has gotten way too close. I also hear all the kenneled as well as the chained dogs within the neighborhood cutting up.

ok something is out there. A bear perhaps because some neighbors have reported seeing one. However I don’t think it’s a bear since it has a taste for dog meat. Whatever it is, it comes around every few years. Thats when all the animals, such as deer, rabbits, dogs, cats, and goats and cows will either be missing, or come up dead with their guts eaten out of them. So tell me if you know of any bears that are practicing that behavior.
I envy you guys still got all that we killed bears and wolves and lynx off long ago hundreds of years i think dont get me wrong we did same with beavers and sea eagles and they since been reintroduced and are doing ok but we no predators left its a problem as we over run with deer as a result but because of agriculture and stuff they wont rewild any predators without dragging there heels its rather annoying dont get me wrong we got plenty of other wild life its mainly just the big predators we missing most of all
 

Blutri

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@MtRainDog
the invent of technology such as ai, means one thing. Which is there is a need for it. Therefore the first question to ask is, what need does this tech solve. Which is the need for autonomous decision making.

A few reasons for such a device is that it will prevent the need to sacrifice our engineers, scientists, medical professionals in the event that space travel becomes a reality.

The training of such professionals is both timely and expensive. The loss of such an individual, is costly to say the least. Especially when we have the ability to put entire protocol on a drive ssd drive.

As the performance of robotics have increased, so is the realization that man may one day reach into the heavens. Unfortunately we are still a long way from which is verifiable by the short lifespan of satellites. To place a human in such a contraption would ensure death.

Beyond that, the human mind is not capable of handling zero gravity conditions. Meaning that it will not belong befor delirium set in. Therefore the need for an autonomous decision making technology is created. At least from a public perspective.

From a grounded perspective, Covid has increased the need for ai technology, due to its dementia type effects. Meaning, that at any given minute, a human can be stricken with Covid and then not remember who he is, or where he is. A Person’s entire perspective of reality will be change forever. As he will be left will only the most basic survival instincts.

People, these are the times that we are living in as the fantasy, has become reality. That microwave that you cook you food with could just as easily had been a particle emitting device capable of erasing a life time of human memories. The thing is, AI is preparing for something. A something that I guarantee that you don’t want to be last one to find out about about it.

The game has really change, as the infrastructure is already prevalent. An enemy could just as easily wipe your mind by firing micro particles at you from high above the surface. The fact that you are in you home will mean nothing because we know that microwaves have the ability to penetrate flesh without harming the surrounding material. All that anyone would know is that you was found dead from a stroke or an aneurysm. And don’t think that this isn’t being done to people everyday. Better get those tin hats out fella because we are going to need them. Peace brothers.
 

Blutri

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mountain lion
Yeah we have big cats. They like some type of hybrid between a mountain lion and a bobcat. The get pretty big too. One lady said she saw one that looked like a 140 pound bobcat. I saw one similar that was bigger than my bullmastiffs. So therefore it was easily larger than 140 pounds.

The fish and game commission wil sometime pass out flyers describing the animals that they reintroduce into the wild. A couple of year ago, about a 300 pound bear was hit by a car. It had a tracking collar on in. A couple of months later, a second, even larger bear was also killed on the same area. This one did not have a tracking collar on it. And neither did the very large cat that a neighbor killed. He was fined $10,000 for killing the cat. And he said that he will kill the next one that he sees because he doesn’t want such a large predator around his house. We all feel the same way. When we see stuff like that, we kill it.
Because no one is going to wait until after thing is dragging someone’s baby around by the skull before we do something about it.

Stephen King lol. We got family members that will no longer visit because of all the strange occurrences that surround us and my home. Creepy is to say the least because at times it is downright terrifying. People always ask why don’t we move. I answer by telling them that the happenings don’t bother me.
I don’t run from it. I don’t get freaked out by it. I have seen times when my entire house will tremble as if there is an earthquake going on. Sometimes i can be standing outside talking with someone, and we both can hear the sounds of movement within the house.
It will get so loud that my company will ask me if I have a dog running around inside of the house. You should see the look that they give me when I tell them no
 

Blutri

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Y’all check this out. Taken today
It happened very quickly. When I first saw it, it looked like the sun was shining from the wrong direction for the time of day. It has the same weird glow of the full moon. It looked as if the sun was coming through the blue sky. I thought it was an eclipse or something.

so I grabbed my phone and took pics. By the time I snapped 3 photos, it had dissipated. Here is one of the pics.
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Does that look like a face. Notice the bright area bottom left. That’s where the sun looking thing was showing through the blue sky.

Later my kids started blowing my phone up with videos that their friends were sending them. which looks to be showing something breaking through the atmosphere.

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coincidence? A sonic boom could also be heard as the object broke the sound barrier. These are crazy times brother. Or mine and others phones are just as schizophrenic as we are. Let’s see what they say it is. they probably want say a thing and just remove the videos that they are posting all over instagram.

just like they removed the videos of a huge, low flying craft that passed over a near by college a few years ago. Everybody around here saw that ship. It flew right over a busy intersection. Anyway see what you guys can dig up.
 

Blutri

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Many people don’t understand what celestial events mean to this planet. When the earth is acted upon by a magnetic force such as a comet or meteor, the planet’s own magnetic field will be disrupted. Alway resulting in storms, or earthquakes, or any number of adverse weather and physical conditions.

Meaning that an object doesn’t have to actually hit this planet to do it harm. The harm and damage done by the objects, depends on the specific gravity of the object, aka its mass. Unfortunately there is no way of discerning an objects mass just by observation.

Besides, the mass of an object will always change depending on the object’s speed. The speed of said object depends on its location in the planet’s gravitational pull. Objects the furthest away are always slowest, while objects that are closer will be much faster. Therefore the closer object will have a much larger gravitational mass. The relationship between mass and speed is similar to calculating the trajectory of ballistics.

In the previous 2 years, an increase in the amount, and closeness of celestial objects has been observed. This can only mean 1 thing. Which is the magnetism of the learth has been changed. If you recall, a large object that hit the planet off the coast of Japan, in March 2011. This object causes massive earthquakes and a powerful tsunami that took 1000’s of lives.

The massive objects landed in an area called the rim of fire. The rim of fire is the area of the highest density on the planet earth. The magma there is cause by friction of the tectonic plates as they interact with each other. The reason that this is so important, is because these plates move in accordance with the gravitational pull of object that reacts to the earth own magnetism.

While the people of this planet live in constant fear of it being impacted by a celestial object, they fail to realize that those objects do not have to come in contact with the planets, to have a physical effects on it.

Think of it the same manner of bringing two magnets in effective range of one another. Either those magnets will bang together, or they will repel one another in great force. It is this effect that is going on, on our planet, as well as in the universe. As it is the law of physics that all things are governed by.

Humans should pay closer attention to such events and understand that they aren’t as random as they appear to be. Human should also understand how their actions affect the planet earth as a whole. Any disruption in this planet’s magnetic field, will have instantaneous consequences.

For instance, the firing up of super conductors, or building a satellite array around the planet, can both have dire consequences due to the affects on the planet’s magnetic field. Which could also be cause by the mining of the planet’s resources.

As humans try to make living better for themselves, they fail to realize the horrible sequence of events that they are unleashing upon themselves. As this planet has been left with markers and clues detailing what not to do. Because of the language barriers between those who left the information behind and the interpreters who found it.

Several artifacts depicting the sun’s position in relationship to the earth, have been left behind by people of that generation. There is one in particular that has guided this planet newest direction. As I forget the name of it. Sun temple, perhaps. It the one that the monks worship every morning. I believe nation geographics has a documentary based on it.

Anyway, the temple that I’m referring to, has been this planet’s, sun reference guide for centuries. A visit to the location who’ll show the 30 degree planet rotation that was cause by Japan’s 2011 earthquake. Many countries have geographical markers that show the relationship of the earth and the sun.

Stonehenge, the Eiffel Tower, the pyramids of Giza, including the Washington monuments, are all sites dedicated to monitoring of the sun’s position in relationship to the earth.

What does it all mean. It means that it is past time to do something about the events that will soon affect our planet. You know, I’m going to say this. Humans will work a lifetime time to accumulate wealth. So I ask, what purpose does wealth serve, if you don’t have a place to enjoy it. No earth, means that there will be no humans, as well as now place to enjoy such wealth.

if you think this place will be around forever, you are right. However that doesn’t mean that man, nor it current version will be here. Upon impact, most will be destroyed. All that remain will be destroyed shortly afterwards. The chosen few who survive, will be left to replenish this planet.

As a human who thinks very highly of themself, the first thought is that at least some will survive. I ask you if you see any dinosaurs, or creatures of that era still walking the planet. Of course not since the change caused by cataclysmic events happen so quickly that organisms of that era, don’t have time to adjust to the changes in the environment. As the most drastic change, will be the will be the changes in the atmosphere. Despite what they think, humans arent ready for this this type of even. Especially since its occurrence cannot be predicted by current technology. Meaning that just like the event that occurred over the weekend, by the time that humans see it coming, it will be too late.

Do you want to know how long that it takes for a planet to return to a state where human inhabitants can survive on it. The answer is Too long. therefore the best thing to do, is not put yourself in that situation.m in the first place.

let’s quickly go over renewable energy. First of all, this planet is within itself, a renewable energy source. I can easily explain to you how it works, but unfortunately i don’t feel that humans are ready for this type knowledge.

As is, the only renewable resources that are available to mankind, are those that bring in the most profits. The profiteers of such resources fail to admit the energy requirements needed to produce renewable energy, far exceeds the value of the energy saving.

These misleading products are manufactured by companies, who look to take advantage of those who want to make a difference. As they are often marketed as cleaner energy, the truth is the manufacturing of such products, will make their creation as harmful as the situation that humans are trying to correct.

As we are already seeing the strain that is being put on the electric grid as humans try to move to electric energy. To correct the energy strain, more energy will have to be allocated, which will negate any savings that were proposed. As there is no winning, because the problem will only be exacerbated because of the increase resources required to bring the power grid up to par.

The only gains will come to the suppliers of the electric power as their profits will continue to increase as the demand for electric energy will also increase. Therefore ask yourself, when will the cycle end as humans propel themselves deeper into oblivion.

What it all means is that humans have a lot of cleaning up to do. By cleaning up, the first thing that humans must do is grow up and realize that their laziness is costing them far more than what they can afford. As humans are paying with the future, and their souls.

It took a lot for me to share this information. The human in me would have rather kicked back and let matters proceed as they are going. However, the action of my silence, would be doing the people who shared this information with me, a great disservice. Therefore I prefer not to let the times and effort that it took to groom me for this event, go to waste. More information about this planet will be shared when I see positive progression into the future.

As for now, I will continue to kick back as humans prefer to do. How about I give you some home work to do in the meantime. I want those who are reading this post to familiar themselves with Nirbiru. Then I want you to look up the Hebrew word Uri. Which mean the light. Then look up Ibrin, which means passing over. When used in the proper pretense, Nirbiru/ -Uribrin means the light passing over.

Do you remember tell of a light that was present when Jesus was born. Of course you do. Now let me explain the significance of the light that was seen the other day. That light appeared from the southern horizon. Abnormal because our light is observed from from east to west. The light visualizes on 1/9/24 appeared in the southern skies. Perpendicular to our accepted accepted sun

Therefore what we will soon witness, is the cross that our lord and savior Jesus Christ represents. Aka crossing over, the Passover, as well as many other other just as powerful allusions by other cultures. As you should know, the word Christ means cross. As it is represented by the cross that Christians, those who came after Christ. Clearly as stated, followers of Christ, the cross, the passing over.

you don’t have to be a believer to face facts. On 1/1/24 a powerful earthquake struck Japan. On 1/7/24 a light was seen in the sky. The same light that left the image of an angel in the sky. Coincidence?

Coincidence enough to warrant extra law enforcement within the communities that saw the light. It was coincidence enough that even the none believers, knew exactly what they was looking at. Which was a message from My Father himself. As we all know, Father is of very few words as his preference is to to you where he is coming from. So I’ll once again post this pic, which to me looks like a face lying in the heavens.

Amen means the absence of man. So take head to the word as you have all seen the light that marks the crossing over. Inside the bubble, outside the bubble, it’s getting harder to tell the difference. Look back and let me know when I first said that.

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Blutri

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talking about plants is something that I really enjoy. It especially makes me happen when I see threads dedicated to my ideas. You know that I mentioned growing a pound of bud with 100 watts or less. Therefore to came as no surprise, when I saw a post about breeding plants for light efficiency.

It was also not a surprise, that the post was submitted by a noob…. So they say. Therefore, I’ll say it once again, “noobs do not ask such questions.”

Anyway, imagine the savings to be had by cutting electricity costs by 1/8 of that which is needed to grow a pound of indoor cannabis. As always the industry prefers to illicit information from the net of people who are not already implementing this tech.

My previous post tells that I’m wholeheartedly that I’m into saving this planet. Unfortunately, I’m very against making rich people, even richer. As I look at it, the money saved by reduced energy consumption, will carry well in to the future of cannabis, therefore or is well worth the investment to do so. Saving manufacturers money is why engineering firms are paid so well. That’s because every member of the industry will reap the benefits.

Therefore when I see such a post created by a noobs, I know that it will burn out quicker than a cheap led panel. That’s because no one in the industry is utilizing such tech, as they are unaware of its existence. This would be a good one to invest in if the tech was to come to light.

I only mentioned the post as a reference to how industry members, pay close attention to what is being said on these forums. and why wouldn’t they since gathering information is what the forums were designed to do. And they do that very well.

When I used to leave clues about the breeding of cannabis plants, I don’t do that anymore because time has taught me a valuable lesson about cannabis entrepreneurs. One lesson is that they will stop at nothing to get ahead in the business.

Another lesson is that noobs don’t go around asking pertinent information. Common sense would tell you, wvy would a noob ask a question about something that they have no knowledge of. Duh.

Time has also taught me that the cannabis industry is looking for plants that grow more efficiently, as they produce more reliably. Unfortunately i have also learned over time, that the industry isn’t willing to pay for such plants.

And of course i understand because every noob who thinks that he has what it take to make a change in the cannabis industry. Is quick to offer his or her find either for trade, or cheap as in free.

Since the cannabis oligopoly isn’t federally regulated. competition in the field is none existent. Meaning that even when you think that you are not buying cookies, you probably are. Which also means that any competition would be a negligible fraction of revenue loss.

That is until a suitable contender appears that will dethrone the cookie queen. Another unfortunate is that competition is either quickly bought out, or duped out of their genetics by those pretending to be something that they are not.

Once again, since cannabis isn’t federally regulated, therfore the cannabis oligopoly will continue to go unchecked as long as the country is absent of federal legalization. Any challenger to the current state of cannabis is quickly ran out of business, as many cannabis entrepreneurs have already found out. Thats because it is hard to stay afloat when the price of cannabis is rapidly declining due to the unregulated market. Therefore any current cannabis investments, should be taken as a presumed loss.

Which is why I’m perplexed as to the nature of some of the guys who keep up with my posts. Mainly because there have been occasions where these guys have voiced their dislike for auto flowers.
And since I am an auto flower breeder, I find it hard to understand the nature of their fellowship.

Don’t get it wrong, because there was a time when I was interested in creating a photo cross that would set the cannabis industry on fire. However, things have changed, and since I’m constantly reminded by some within the cannabis industry that they are both, not interested in my product, and that they unwilling to pay what such plants are worth.

Therefore, I currently don’t see the need to bring such a plant into existence. Wouldnt it be more feasible to wait until the industry is on its knees to do so. Anyone with half a clue would surely know that it want be long now before the cannabis industry has to reinvent itself once again because when the product isn’t selling as it should be.

Meaning that I expect a soon to be renamed cannabis product to enter the market. On that will be marketed as a new and improved product whwn compared to the original cannabis.

which is the same thing that happens repeatedly as those so called new cannabinoids are found . It has happened many times before, at it is jjust business. Furthermore, don’t be given the business because we have already seen the best that the current cannabis industry leader has to offer.

Therefore instead of following me around, it would be just as easy to hit me up in private if there is anything serious to be talked about. I shouldn’t have to prepare anyone because they are already aware of my position about the matter. And if you are unaware, do look up ^^^ and get to reading. That way we save time. Which is alway something that I’m interested in. Peace
 
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Blutri

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What it do. Ole school af.
Anyway I come across an article discussing autos. Yadda yadda. Inconsistent, lack terps, lack potency, you know… the usual gripes about them.

However, the post that I’m referring to, made not a new, but interesting point that most growers tend to overlook when making cross selection.

Grower will often overlook the fact that to convert any cross to auto form, it must therefore be mated to a cross that already has the ability to auto flower. There is no other way.

I have stated it 1,000 times or more, “those hype auto crosses, are nothing more than the leftover seeds of a breeder who is trying to shorten his cross flowering time.

Or why else would there is so much of this type of stuff going around. That’s because the newer sativa growers are fast realizing that have fallen victim to the same marketing hype that affects other popular crosses.

20 wk flowering time for a buzz that may take up to an hour to be felt. And even then, the effects will be so mild, that only a seasoned smoker will know that it is actually there.

Every seasoned breeders knows that effects will be sacrifices to yields. Therefore you can imagine how someone who is new to sativas feel after wasting those 20+ weeks on something that will not even get him high

Therefore, the first thing most breeders will do, is cross those sativa plant to an auto. Hoping to kill two birds at one time. One is shortening the flowering time, and secondly to increase the potency of the sativa plant.

Unfortunately, that type of cross will add the dreaded body aspect to the heady sativa high. One of the pitfalls of cannabis breeding, is that you can’t have one, without the other… parents that is. Therefore any cross that is made, will represent both parents, just as nature intended.

As many amateur, and professional breeders soon find out, it just doesn’t work like that.

Meaning that the situation with the autos, the hyped, and the sativa cyclic as they depend on each other’s position in the cross. A single weak link in the process will ripple throughout the genetics of the cross, forever haunting it.

Meaning that the only way to stop the weakness that plagues modern cannabis genetics, is not use weak(potency, terpene, yield) genetics in the breeding program from the start.

IMO, breeding for a taste or smell is senseless when the effects aren’t there. I feel the same way when it comes to breeding for yields or anything else associated with bag appeal when the effects of the cross aren’t right.

A breeder can produce the prettiest, smelliest, frostiest, and largest plant available, and all the work will be for nothing, because cannabis smokers will choose the plants that get them the highest first. Which is something to think about before spending time and resources.

If one was to take a poorly designed and less effective plant and create an auto of it, then they should understand the that the auto that is created, will also be a poorly designed and less effective plant as well.

However, that’s not the worst of it. As other breeders follow suit and used the same poorly designed and less effective autos to shorten the flowering time of long flowering photos, they are incorporating those same poorly designed and less effective plants into their creations. Thus creating a cycle that will forever repeat itself as long as breeders, new and old continue to uses those same genetic within their creations.

Round and round we go as the degradation of the cannabis plant is now on a never ending repeat cycle of self destruction. Which is why we don’t see the plants of old anymore. Those plants where doom from the start as their creators did not think about the future of their creation.

As much hate that is directed towards the auto plant, I have yet to see a photo period with an equally effective high. Whereas I have seen euphoric and trippy autos, I have not seen such traits in photo period. And neither have I seen the hallucinogenic traits in a photo period cross.

Because there are tons of posts that back up my observation that back, it is safe to say that photo growers are not seeing those traits either. Which is why they are on a constant quest to bring back the bud of old.

My question is, how can these breeders hope to bring back strains of the golden era of cannabis, when in fact, they do not know what they are. And how cold they know, but when the only reference they have, are clones. From there, it’s all guess work. As we all a know, guess work doesn’t get it when it comes to breeding cannabis.

it’s going to take more than just saying a plant smells like skunk, or taste like durban poison, or looks like a sativa, to bring into existence, plants that smokes the way they did back in the 60’s or 70’s. That’s because by the 80’s, everything was a hybrid. In fact, it was a hybrid before it ever made it to American soil.

Once cannabis became Americanized, as in grown for profit, it was degraded even further by the need for larger yields and faster growth. It didn’t take long for American breeders to realize that crossing a plant grown for hash, to those grown for size and speed, was a bad combination of genetics.

In theory, it made perfect sense due to Americans having a preference for smoking cannabis flower. Over looking the fact that hash plants were mainly used for ceremonial purposes. As in their oil is mainly used for incense. Which is why plant from that region actually smell like incense.

I know there are those out there who would like that everyone has taken the same cannabis evolutionary route. Fortunately that isn’t the case. And just because someone isn’t shoving the latest generation of cannabis in everyone’s faces, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Peace.
 

Blutri

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As if it is a game. For real, marijuana ghost town. The signs of a dead market, while some are cheering it on as is nothing is happening.

How about I make it real to the naysayers

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im sure no one overlooked the add selling 2x 1/8ths for $10. That’s a 1/4 oz for $10 making the oz = $40. Anyway, it’s all been said before, therefore no need to repeat myself. If falling cannabis prices haven’t made it to your area yet, don’t worry, because it will.
 

Blutri

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So how often do I check out someone else’s grow. These days not very often. Why? Because I’m not interested in the clone scene.
Here is how I look at clones. Since clones all look smell and taste the same, I don’t see a need to continually check them out.

Not only that, I have yet to see a clone plant with the type of high that I enjoy. They either taste bad, or smell weird, sometimes both, and often coupled with a very stressful high.

Which means that I will spend the next 45 minutes or so in a panic stricken state, whereas my heart is beating so fast that my chest hurts. Also, I’ll be sweating profusely, while my forehead and temple throbs. If this is the what is expected of the sativa high, you can keep it. If a person thinks being tortured is what being high is like, then they are sadly mistaken.

The majority of sativa plant that I have encountered, produces a high that is similar to an acute allergic response, that borderline anaphylaxis shock. Whoever deemed effects such as this as enjoyable, have a lot to learn about the mechanisms of the cannabis high.

To understand the type of high that I prefer, one must also understand why I smoke. Which depends on how I’m feeling at that moment, or how I have been feeling, leading up to the moment that I decided to smoke.

Therefore I smoke for many different reasons. Mainly when I’m feeling unenthusiastic, which eventually leads to boredom. I know those who will say that they smoke because of stress. However thats is where I different, becauseI actually enjoy being stressed.

Rather physically or mentally stressed, the feeling that I get from it is one of enlightenment. That’s because those types of stress completes me, because rarely am I emotionally stressed. Does that make sense to anyone besides me. I know It’s complicated. And fortunately, so is life.

Huh you say. Because Freudian research never mentioned this, although he was well aware of 3 parts of the human psyche. Which as he put it, is the id, the ego and the super ego. Separated because Freud failed to look at them as part of whole of man.

By excluding the soul of man in human research, ties with God were severed, which left humans to figure out the meaning of life on their own. In due time, the lack of spirituality, would also mean the failure of the human experiment.

Freuds mistake in his dissertation meant that humans would not soon realize the error of their ways. As an important point was omitted. Which was the fact that humans will forever return to the cross. As it was the place where they separated themselves from man and his spiritual nature.

I support my findings by offering into evidence, ancient facts that list Julius Caesar as the ruler of the 7th empire. In fact, or modern calendars still pay homage to this existence, by naming the seventh month, July after him.

Following July, is the month of August that is named after Augustus, the Octavian. Octavian meaning the 8th. This is where history fails us, because October is listed as the 10th month when in fact Octavian was the 8th ruler of empire.

That’s because historians tried to leave out the 9th ruler, Lucius Septimius Severus Pertinax. Why? Because this is the ruler who severed, Severus, the connection between man and God. Which lead to the creation of humans.

You also may have failed to notice his first name Lucius, is the equivalent to Lucifer. Therefore it is also, not a coincidence that his last name Pentax wiped is the equivalent of pentagram. And the more familiar term, pentagon, or which our nation is literally built on. You do know that a Pentax, pentagram and pentagon are all the same thing right.

Whereas the pentagram is a star, the pentagon lies on the ground, representing the fallen star. As it is also broken, which is notes by its missing 5 points are missing.
This is by no means a coincidence. In plain sight, for the entire word to see is a giant pentagram/ pentagon lying on the ground. If that doesn’t say sacrilegious, I don’t know what does.

Therefor keep turning blind eye to the fact that the rest of the word refers to this country as the Devils. Nothing is more blatant than a huge pentagon sitting on the ground. Whose idea was it anyway, and why wasn’t it put through a vote. As if the devil would ever offer youchoice.

I’m not speaking out against my country, I’m speaking against those who represent the opposite of what God means. I’m talking to the 9th who miraculously disappeared in the sovereignty of reverence. Also to those who fails to realize that Christ won the war. The fact is, we are living in the time of our lord. Therefore we are all followers of Christ.

So let’s step back in time for a moment and talk about Nero the 9th who is listed as the final Roman ruler. his true accomplishment is that he paved the way for Christ, the 10th, the X the cross. For we also know that this meant the return of the empire not only to Egyptian rule, but also to the people.

So you asked what happened to Lucious. The book says that he was both, stripped of his wings and stricken from the earth. Stricken as in wiped from man’s sigh. As God can never be removed from existence, the only way Lucifer can manifest on earth is in human form. Even then he will alway be accompanied by his other half, Jesus Christ. In that way, he is still allowed to do God’s work. And increase his hopes, one day presiding over the heavens.

As I mentioned, the 5 points of the pentagon are missing. So where are they. I’m going to leave this one to the biblical scholars who think that they know everything about the Bible. For those who need help answering this question, just ask. Hint, those missing pentagon pieces, pointing directly to Christ.

Chat gtp anyone. As history repeats itself, we all know the 9th is coming. As I once again speak on deliverance. Pieces peace.

Unfortunately, Freud’s perspectives concentrated on what divides the human psyche. Which meant his research was unable to understand man as a whole. And that the 3 elements of human complacency are merely the beginning what we know as spiritually, and the beginning of selfless love.

Furthermore, the soul is what separates man, from human. I know what I have just left some of you scratching your heads, so I will explained with a Bible verse. John 19:4 Pilate said to them, “ Behold the man!” That’s because during biblical times, there were only Gods, men and what remained of the giants. Depending on your beliefs, of course

The fact that there was no reference to humans in the Bible, is because they had been sent to a place absent of man. Amen. A place known for both heat and an unquenchable thirst. Can I get a witness. Where are those who can testify, and speak his words.

As time progresse, It feels more like a the combination of being both overwhelmed and unexciting. Which is feeling that for me, is brought about whwn I haven had enough time to myself. I will explain.

The inner family has needs. And since I am both a father and a husband, and grandfather to my inner family, I tend to put their needs before my own. Every time. Providing, babysitting, relationship repair, and chef is but a few of the roles that i must endure.

The look is always the same, rather there isn’t any ice cream in the freezer, or if there are no bandaids to make the boo-boos all better. Meaning that my role as a father never ends, as it is always changing.

“Everyday I am different, but everyday I am the same” may sound presumptuous to someone who hasn’t fulfilled their father duties. However it is a role that I must assume daily, rather I want to or not.

Not only that, I must also extend my fatherly role beyond my inner circle. You know, that obligation through blood that we call relatives. I view them as those who love me, and were set here to remind me of what it means to love someone besides myself.

You see, my inner circle is a portrait of myself, as those outside of it are considered a test to see if my love can be extended beyond personal boundaries. As many of us know, there are those who fail the test of selfless love. However I still consider outer circle relationship to be just as rewarding as those of my inner circle. Even though I never know what to expect of them.

As those beyond self, will aways test the endurance of one’s selfless love, I still view outer circle relationship as rewarding. Regardless of the situation that they put me in.

Meaning that sometimes I may have to play the role of father to someone, who I may be fathered by someone other than myself. Who knows, I may have to be a teacher, or counselor, or referee. Some times I’m a spiritual guide, or a reverend, or maybe a mechanic. I can go from being a transportation assistant, to being a babysitter, and then a master chef sometimes in a matter of minutes. Which means that time allotted to myself, will always be a premium investment.

Because I rarely have time to myself. not only why I smoke, but also why I smoke what I smoke. I barely have know what to expect of them. Which mean that the psychological response

Therefore rather tested within or outside of self, the psychological response will always bea feeling of disheartenment. Which cause me to smoke when i am spiritually tired and in need of enlightenment. As those beyond self, will aways test the endurance of one’s love. However I still view outer circle relationship as rewarding, even though I never know what to expect.
 
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Cousin Bo

Well-Known Member
So how often do I check out someone else’s grow. These days not very often. Why? Because I’m not interested in the clone scene.
Here is how I look at clones. Since clones all look smell and taste the same, I don’t see a need to continually check them out.

Not only that, I have yet to see a clone plant with the type of high that I enjoy. They either taste bad, or smell weird, sometimes both, and often coupled with a very stressful high.

Which means that I will spend the next 45 minutes or so in a panic stricken state, whereas my heart is beating so fast that my chest hurts. Also, I’ll be sweating profusely, while my forehead and temple throbs. If this is the what is expected of the sativa high, you can keep it. If a person thinks being tortured is what being high is like, then they are sadly mistaken.

The majority of sativa plant that I have encountered, produces a high that is similar to an acute allergic response, that borderline anaphylaxis shock. Whoever deemed effects such as this as enjoyable, have a lot to learn about the mechanisms of the cannabis high.

To understand the type of high that I prefer, one must also understand why I smoke. Which depends on how I’m feeling at that moment, or how I have been feeling, leading up to the moment that I decided to smoke.

Therefore I smoke down many different reasons. Mainly when I’m feeling unenthusiastic, which eventually leads to boredom. I know those who will say that they smoke because of stress. However thats is where I different, becauseI actually enjoy being stressed.

Rather physically or mentally stressed, the feeling that I get from it is one of enlightenment. That’s because those types of stress completes me, because rarely am I emotionally stressed. Does that make sense to anyone besides me. I know It’s complicated. And fortunately, so is life.

Huh you say. Because Freudian research never mentioned this, although he was well aware of 3 parts of the human psyche. Which as he put it, is the id, the ego and the super ego. Separated because Freud failed to look at them as part of whole of man.

By excluding the soul of man in human research, ties with God were severed, which left humans to figure out the meaning of life on their own. In due time, the lack of spirituality, would also mean the failure of the human experiment.

Freuds mistake in his dissertation meant that humans would not soon realize the error of their ways. As an important point was omitted. Which was the fact that humans will forever return to the cross. As it was the place where they separated themselves from man and his spiritual nature.

I support my findings by offering into evidence, ancient facts list Julius Caesar, the ruler of the 7th empire. In fact, or modern calendars still pay homage to this existence, by naming our seventh month July.

Following July, is the month of August that is named after Augustus, the Octavian. Octavian meaning the 8th. This is where history fails us, because October is listed as the 10th month when in fact Octavian was the 8th ruler of empire.

That’s because historians tried to leave out the 9th ruler, Lucius Septimius Severus Pertinax. Why? Because this is the ruler who attempted to severe, Severus, the connection became man and God, this leading to the creation of humans.

You also may have failed to notice his first name Lucius, is the equivalent to Lucifer. Therefore it is also not a coincidence that his last name Pentax is the equivalent of pentagram, which my spell corrector wrote as pentagon. You do know that a Pentax and pentagon is the same thing right.

Whereas the pentagram is a star, the pentagon on the ground represents the fallen star. As it is broken, by which its 5 points are missing. This is by no means a coincidence. In plain sight off the entire word to see is a giant pentagram/ pentagon lying on the ground. If that doesn’t say sacrilegious, I don’t know what does.

Therefor keep turning blind eye to the fact that the rest of the word refers to this country as the Devils. Nothing is more blatant than a huge pentagon sitting on the ground. Whose idea was it, and why wasn’t it put through a vote. As if the devil would ever offer on to you, choices.

I’m not speaking out against my country, I’m speaking against those who represent the opposite of what God means. I’m talking to the 9th who miraculously disappeared in the sovereignty of reverence. Also to those who fails to realize that Christ won the war. The fact is, we are living in the time of our lord. Therefore we are all followers of Christ.

So let’s step back in time for a moment and talk about Nero the 9th who is listed as the final Roman ruler. his true accomplishment is that he paved the way for Christ, the 10th, the X the cross. For we also know that this meant the return of the empire not only to Egyptian rule, but also to the people.

So you asked what happened to Lucious. The book says that he was both, stripped of his wings and stricken from the earth. Stricken as in wiped from man’s sigh. As God can never be removed from existence, the only way Lucifer can manifest on earth is in human form. Even then he will alway be accompanied by his other half, Jesus Christ. In that way, he is still allowed to do God’s work. And increase his hopes, one day presiding over the heavens.

Unfortunately, Freud’s perspectives concentrated on what divides the human psyche. Which meant his research was unable to understand man as a whole. And that the 3 elements of human complacency are merely the beginning what we know as spiritually, and the beginning of selfless love.

Furthermore, the soul is what separates man, from human. I know what I have just left some of you scratching your heads, so I will explained with a Bible verse. John 19:4 Pilate said to them, “ Behold the man!” That’s because during biblical times, there were only Gods, men and what remained of the giants. Depending on your beliefs, of course

The fact that there was no reference to humans in the Bible, is because they had been sent to a place absent of man. Amen. A place known for both heat and an unquenchable thirst. Can I get a witness. Where are those who can testify, and speak his words.

As time progresse, It feels more like a the combination of being both overwhelmed and unexciting. Which is feeling that for me, is brought about whwn I haven had enough time to myself. I will explain.

The inner family has needs. And since I am both a father and a husband, and grandfather to my inner family, I tend to put their needs before my own. Every time. Providing, babysitting, relationship repair, and chef is but a few of the roles that i must endure.

The look is always the same, rather there isn’t any ice cream in the freezer, or if there are no bandaids to make the boo-boos all better. Meaning that my role as a father never ends, as it is always changing.

“Everyday I am different, but everyday I am the same” may sound presumptuous to someone who hasn’t fulfilled their father duties. However it is a role that I must assume daily, rather I want to or not.

Not only that, I must also extend my fatherly role beyond my inner circle. You know, that obligation through blood that we call relatives. I view them as those who love me, and were set here to remind me of what it means to love someone besides myself.

You see, my inner circle is a portrait of myself, as those outside of it are considered a test to see if my love can be extended beyond personal boundaries. As many of us know, there are those who fail the test of selfless love. However I still consider outer circle relationship to be just as rewarding as those of my inner circle. Even though I never know what to expect of them.

As those beyond self, will aways test the endurance of one’s selfless love, I still view outer circle relationship as rewarding. Regardless of the situation that they put me in.

Meaning that sometimes I may have to play the role of father to someone, who I may be fathered by someone other than myself. Who knows, I may have to be a teacher, or counselor, or referee. Some times I’m a spiritual guide, or a reverend, or maybe a mechanic. I can go from being a transportation assistant, to being a babysitter, and then a master chef sometimes in a matter of minutes. Which means that time allotted to myself, will always be a premium investment.

Because I rarely have time to myself. not only why I smoke, but also why I smoke what I smoke. I barely have know what to expect of them. Which mean that the psychological response

Therefore rather tested within or outside of self, the psychological response will always bea feeling of disheartenment. Which cause me to smoke when i am spiritually tired and in need of enlightenment. As those beyond self, will aways test the endurance of one’s love. However I still view outer circle relationship as rewarding, even though I never know what to expect.
I only read the first couple sentences but I think your take on clones is flawed. There are many awesome clones. Some have been around for decades so that should tell you something. But carry on.
 

Blutri

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@Cousin Bo
I appreciate the comment folks. Flawed by your perception. as long as you believe in what you believe in, who am I to argue. Carry on my brother, and may good smoke cross your journey some day.

To help me out, would you care to name a few of the clones that you are referring to so that I and others can also enjoy them.
 

Blutri

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You know I was reprimanded because I stated that my 2-5 yr olds exhibited higher intelligence than some adults.

meaning what does it suggests when an adult admits that his attention span doesn’t carry on beyond a few sentences.
Regardless, I looked back at my post to see if I posted anything that someone would find offensive.
I say I didn’t because I was merely stating my personal finding on the matter.

not to be one who is quick to judge, I did ask what clones the brother is referring to, that does not fit my description of them. Silent as the night… is the reply. As in I got none.

maybe the more than a few sentences was somewhat overwhelming. I never know when dealing with the public. But forreal. I’m sure more than me want to know which clone should we all run out and buy

Perhaps if the dispensaries who closed down had invested in them, then maybe they would not have closed shop.
Hmmm. I wonder. In a ways I don’t. because millions of Americans cannabis smokers can’t be all wrong.
 

Cousin Bo

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@Cousin Bo
I appreciate the comment folks. Flawed by your perception. as long as you believe in what you believe in, who am I to argue. Carry on my brother, and may good smoke cross your journey some day.

To help me out, would you care to name a few of the clones that you are referring to so that I and others can also enjoy them.
I've actually grown a bunch. Nothing wrong with seeds though. Some strains are just clone only for the real deal. GG4 is one of them. Same with Chemdawg and many others. I actually have one of the GG4's in a mini 16"x16" tent now for the hell of it. I've been wanting to grow it and I didn't have room in my other areas so I threw it in the mini. It's only at about 2 since flip weeks now. I've never flowered in the mini and it's not totally light proof either so it will be interesting. I don't think the tiny amount of light will affect it but I'm going to find out. :eyesmoke:

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Cousin Bo

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Here's the thread I was looking for before but couldn't find.
 

Blutri

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Cool pic.

here is the deal when it comes to those so called real deal clones. First one would have to believe that the person who is offering the clone is actually in possession of it.

For real, everyone should know by now that just because someone claims to have, a “legit cut”, whatever that is. doesn’t mean that they actually do.

We see all the time, where groups will band together and try to something off, hype it as a legit version of this or that.

Who is to say rather the cross is authentic or not. The creator of the cut can’t since they aren’t usually not around anymore to dispute the legitimacy of what is being offered in their behalf.

Both gg4 and chem d where both offered under the same circumstance where the creator had past. In fact most legendary cuts came about due to the creator passing.

I wouldn’t thing a guy who didn’t pass his work off in life would be able to after death.

Come on now. We see those type of going ons all the time in the cannabis game where someone passes and then all of a sudden, a relative is passing out their work. Or some magical seeds that are popping after 30 years of being in a jar. Unfortunately, that type of stuff doesn’t happen in real life. But you can believe what you want to.

As for me, I prefer to take a more personal route when it comes to the genetics that I put my resources into. I mean that if I was just growing a plant for smoking purposes, any thing off the shelf would do. However, if I had doing some breed work on my mind, a clone is the last thing that would ever consider using.

Why would I not consider using a clone for breeding. Because under most circumstances, there is no way to prove the legitimacy of the genetics. Secondly, just because something is ok to smoke, doesn’t make it alright to breed.

I know this post is going overboard, however I feel that what I’m saying is something that even seed buyers need to know. Why on earth would it take 1000 seeds to find a keeper in a worked line.

Realistically it would take at least 100 X 10 count seed packs to find something worth while. Which is unfeasible giving the price of popular genetics. Even at $35 a seed pack, it would still equate to $3500 just in seeds to do a search.

Be reasonable with oneself. Do you think a guy who bickers about spending $3 a seed is going to invest $3,500 + to do a pheno hunt.

Therefore repeat what I just said to you while looking over the tons forums posts where guys talk about what they spend on seeds. Then ask yourself, is that the circle that you want to be in.

Then say to yourself, the clone that you are working with, comes from someone with the same mentality. And also someone who refuses to spend over $1 dollar for a seed.

When you finish talking with yourself, take a step back and look at the tanking cannabis industry.

Yeah, that’s what it feels like.
 

Blutri

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I know there are those who would like to think there are tons are cannabis varieties available.

The truth is, there are but a few categories that cannabis comes in.

1 wild type cannabis, which is something that has not been breed selectively

2 land race cannabis, which is slightly worked and usually breed in a natural open pollination environment.

3 breeders specific cannabis that is selected and breed for personal needs.

4 commercial cannabis, which is breed solely for profit.

5 millennial cannabis, which is some combination of 2 or more of the 4 previous types of cannabis.

With that said, millennials that have the “I can do I myself” attitude, are of the highest demographic.

Which means that’s millennial type cannabis is what dominate the market.

As it means, Millennials only care about themselves, the sick, or the poor do not mean anything to them. And neither does nostalgia, rather it’s cannabis or anything else that does not fit their specific wants.

To millennials, that which the next breeder or grower is talking about, means absolutely nothing. All that matters to them is that the bud performs as they wish.

And what millennials which to do is get fx up. Thats because uncertainty, has made them the most stressed out people in history.

In fact millennials are so stressed that they don’t even care anymore. Yeah there are those who still try to hold it together, unfortunately they are now considered a dying breed. Covid made sure of that.

The future of the word now rest on the shoulders of a group of people who now don’t give a flip. Therefore what a breeders of the past is talking about means absolutely nothing. As the millennial smokers are only asking one question. Which is, is it going to get me fxd up.

Bud, pills, drank, powder, chemicals, it doesn matter to millennial. That’s because all they want to do is get high…. And be left alone to do as they please when doing so.

Therefore the answer to the “high” question had better be yes, the millennial “high-ist” will be off to the next breeder, pusher, or chemist to ask them the same question.

As there is no loyalty, or brand commitment when it comes to millennials. With them, it’s either your product works or it doesn’t. There is no in between.

As a breeder, you either have to keep up with the times and provide a product that the millennials want, or stand on the sideline and watch as the cannabis world passes you by.

If you haven’t noticed by the now, the edge of the road is filling as quickly as new breeders are cropping up, and as fast as old breeders are falling off. Remember, the future, is talking to you.
 
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