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Cousin Bo

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Cool pic.

here is the deal when it comes to those so called real deal clones. First one would have to believe that the person who is offering the clone is actually in possession of it.

For real, everyone should know by now that just because someone claims to have, a “legit cut”, whatever that is. doesn’t mean that they actually do.

We see all the time, where groups will band together and try to something off, hype it as a legit version of this or that.

Who is to say rather the cross is authentic or not. The creator of the cut can’t since they aren’t usually not around anymore to dispute the legitimacy of what is being offered in their behalf.

Both gg4 and chem d where both offered under the same circumstance where the creator had past. In fact most legendary cuts came about due to the creator passing.

I wouldn’t thing a guy who didn’t pass his work off in life would be able to after death.

Come on now. We see those type of going ons all the time in the cannabis game where someone passes and then all of a sudden, a relative is passing out their work. Or some magical seeds that are popping after 30 years of being in a jar. Unfortunately, that type of stuff doesn’t happen in real life. But you can believe what you want to.

As for me, I prefer to take a more personal route when it comes to the genetics that I put my resources into. I mean that if I was just growing a plant for smoking purposes, any thing off the shelf would do. However, if I had doing some breed work on my mind, a clone is the last thing that would ever consider using.

Why would I not consider using a clone for breeding. Because under most circumstances, there is no way to prove the legitimacy of the genetics. Secondly, just because something is ok to smoke, doesn’t make it alright to breed.

I know this post is going overboard, however I feel that what I’m saying is something that even seed buyers need to know. Why on earth would it take 1000 seeds to find a keeper in a worked line.

Realistically it would take at least 100 X 10 count seed packs to find something worth while. Which is unfeasible giving the price of popular genetics. Even at $35 a seed pack, it would still equate to $3500 just in seeds to do a search.

Be reasonable with oneself. Do you think a guy who bickers about spending $3 a seed is going to invest $3,500 + to do a pheno hunt.

Therefore repeat what I just said to you while looking over the tons forums posts where guys talk about what they spend on seeds. Then ask yourself, is that the circle that you want to be in.

Then say to yourself, the clone that you are working with, comes from someone with the same mentality. And also someone who refuses to spend over $1 dollar for a seed.

When you finish talking with yourself, take a step back and look at the tanking cannabis industry.

Yeah, that’s what it feels like.
I don't know where you're getting your information but Greg Krzanowski, the creator of Chemdog is alive and well. It's not that hard to get legit cuts. Lots of people have kept the genetics going. Yes some people might pass off fakes for the real deal, but there are plenty of trusted sources. To each their own though.

This link even shows where you can get legit cuts of the Chemdogs. Pretty cool.
 

Dboybudz

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I've actually grown a bunch. Nothing wrong with seeds though. Some strains are just clone only for the real deal. GG4 is one of them. Same with Chemdawg and many others. I actually have one of the GG4's in a mini 16"x16" tent now for the hell of it. I've been wanting to grow it and I didn't have room in my other areas so I threw it in the mini. It's only at about 2 since flip weeks now. I've never flowered in the mini and it's not totally light proof either so it will be interesting. I don't think the tiny amount of light will affect it but I'm going to find out. :eyesmoke:

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Super cropping at all?
 

Blutri

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@Cousin Bo
Thanks you brother.
Seeds found in bag that was got at Grateful Dead concert.

Brother should be asking, what size tent, how many plants, and how long have you been working on it.
It looks to be 4 weeks after flip. Eating good, and well taken care of. Good job.

I look at as a tough sale because the mild high that it puts out. It will only be effective for about a week, so less than an ounce.

I don’t get it. a grown plants mean that the grower will have several jars of it. Several ounces. So How many times have you smoked an entire plant off that clone?

the future says you answer will be never. When you get hands on a variety that you smoke the entire plant of, let me know. Because that’s the type of bud that I’m looking for.
 
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Cousin Bo

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@Cousin Bo
Thanks you brother.
Seeds found in bag that was got at Grateful Dead concert.

Brother should be asking, what size tent, how many plants, and how long have you been working on it.
It looks to be 4 weeks after flip. Eating good, and well taken care of. Good job.

I look at as a tough sale because the mild high that it puts out. It will only be effective for about a week, so less than an ounce.

I don’t get it. a grown plants mean that the grower will have several jars of it. Several ounces. So How many times have you smoked an entire plant off that clone?

the future says you answer will be never. When you get hands on a variety that you smoke the entire plant of, let me know. Because that’s the type of bud that I’m looking for.
Not sure what you're trying to say. What do you mean mild high only effective for a week? GG4 is supposed to be a pretty potent strain. And if you're asking how many times I've grown it this is the first. No I won't get a lot since it's a tiny plant, but that's ok with me. I have more growing and tons of jars already full with different stuff so this one is more for fun than anything. But I've always wanted to grow it so here we go. It's at day 17 since flip in the picture if that's what you were asking.

Not sure if I answered your question but with clones you know what you're getting and it's always the same as long as it's grown right. But nothing wrong with growing from seed either. I have a couple plants from seed growing now too.
 

Blutri

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Not sure what you're trying to say. What do you mean mild high only effective for a week? GG4 is supposed to be a pretty potent strain. And if you're asking how many times I've grown it this is the first. No I won't get a lot since it's a tiny plant,
brother what I’m getting at is the fact that we have different tolerances. Meaning that gg4 may be fine with you, and smokes just great. However, in my circumstances, it is a very mild and unpleasantly stinky plant. In fact stinky is what I call it.

I have ready many post where growers admit that they do not like the taste of gg4, and neither do I. On that note, the plant is mainly used as a breeder’s tool to increase terpenes level and add heft to a cross. And since it does that very well, it has become very popular.

You do know that plants are popular for different reasons. Good smoke is rarely the reason that commercial - for profit strains are popular. Terps and the volume of its yields is gg4 main purpose.

Knowing a cross purpose is where many a user, grower, breeder fail. They will buy into a cross, hoping that its popularity is because it has great smoke when in reality, it is profitably.

As for as its terps, there are better options available. Poor breeding practices of commercial breeders, made gg4 also dominant for its horrible smell and taste. Meaning that it will be rather difficult for a breeder to compensate for it, in future crosses.

And since it also have lackluster high, and poor rooting performance, adding it to a cross, becomes more of headache. Which is why many breeders will choose to pass by it.

With that said bro, never make excuses for a plants performance. Its genetics is that which dictates what you get.

Given what I see, the plant that you have, looks more like an auto cross to me. The way that is stacking and the width of its laterals, both point to it being an auto flower. You say that you lst’d the plant, however I don’t see any signs of lst since the laterals are elongated and it is growing from a central location.

Besides that, gg4 hides the middle blade on its fan leaves. And since your plant isn’t showing such trait, it is very hard for me to believe that it is in fact a gg4 clone. Or even a cross of gg4.

Like I said, your plant’s bud stacking and wide spread structure, has auto flower written all over it.

Which makes the post that you “didn’t read past a couple of sentences”, very real.

Peace to you brother. And remember, the more that you grow, the more you will know.
 
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Cousin Bo

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brother what I’m getting at is the fact that we have different tolerances. Meaning that gg4 may be fine with you, and smokes just great. However, in my circumstances, it is a very mild and unpleasantly stinky plant. In fact stinky is what I call it.

I have ready many post where growers admit that they do not like the taste of gg4, and neither do I. On that note, the plant is mainly used as a breeder’s tool to increase terpenes level and add heft to a cross. And since it does that very well, it has become very popular.

You do know that plants are popular for different reasons. Good smoke is rarely the reason that commercial - for profit strains are popular. Terps and the volume of its yields is gg4 main purpose.

Knowing a cross purpose is where many a user, grower, breeder fail. They will buy into a cross, hoping that its popularity is because it has great smoke when in reality, it is profitably.

As for as its terps, there are better options available. Poor breeding practices of commercial breeders, made gg4 also dominant for its horrible smell and taste. Meaning that it will be rather difficult for a breeder to compensate for it, in future crosses.

And since it also have lackluster high, and poor rooting performance, adding it to a cross, becomes more of headache. Which is why many breeders will choose to pass by it.

With that said bro, never make excuses for a plants performance. Its genetics is that which dictates what you get.

Given what I see, the plant that you have, looks more like an auto cross to me. The way that is stacking and the width of its laterals, both point to it being an auto flower. You say that you lst’d the plant, however I don’t see any signs of lst since the laterals are elongated and it is growing from a central location.

Besides that, gg4 hides the middle blade on its fan leaves. And since your plant isn’t showing such trait, it is very hard for me to believe that it is in fact a gg4 clone. Or even a cross of gg4.

Like I said, your plant’s bud stacking and wide spread structure, has auto flower written all over it.

Which makes the post that you “didn’t read past a couple of sentences”, very real.

Peace to you brother. And remember, the more that you grow, the more you will know.
I don't remember if I've ever smoked GG4 so I can't comment on the taste, smell, or high yet. I'm 99% sure it's the Original Glue though. Legit cuts aren't as hard to get as you think. It's definitely not an Auto, lol.

I never said I LST'd it, I just super cropped it. And I think this thing actually rooted super fast. I only brought home the cut 40 days ago. They've had it for years, I'm just finally growing one. Unless you mean rooting the clones. I wouldn't know how long it took for the clones to root. Anyways, hopefully the buds turn out good.
 
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